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    NickHassan
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    Hi CB,
    Finding interesting parallels is not sound doctrine. Dig deeper and find scriptural truth.

    #45173
    Cult Buster
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    Try reading it this time!

    JESUS IS JEHOVAH AND EQUAL WITH GOD

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    MATTHEW 13:13-15 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. (14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: (15) For this people's heart is waxed gross, and {their} ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with {their} eyes, and hear with {their} ears, and should understand with {their} heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
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    ISAIAH 6:9-10 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. (10) Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

    JOHN 5:17-18 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. (18) Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

    JOHN 10:30-33 I and {my} Father are one. (31) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. (32) Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? (33) The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

    JOHN 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew {it} unto you.

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    JEREMIAH 22:5 But if ye will not hear these words, I swear by myself, saith the Lord, that this house shall become a desolation.
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    MATTHEW 23:37-38 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, {thou} that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under {her} wings, and ye would not! (38) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

    MATTHEW 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    JOHN 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
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    JOHN 12:37-38 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: (38) That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
    JOHN 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
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    ISAIAH 6:1-5 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. (2) Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. (3) And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, {is} the Lord of hosts: the whole earth {is} full of his glory. (4) And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. (5) Then said I, Woe {is} me! for I am undone; because I {am} a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.<<<

    JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

    ROMANS 9:5 Whose {are} the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ {came}, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. {RSV, NIV: “Christ, who is God over all”}

    PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    COLOSSIANS 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.  And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
    1 TIMOTHY 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
    TITUS 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; {RSV,NIV: “our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ”}

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    Psa 45:6  Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre
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    Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

    2 PETER 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: {RSV, NIV: “our God and Saviour Jesus Christ”}

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    Psa 102:24  I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.
    Psa 102:25  Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
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    HEBREWS 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: {God the Father calls the Son “Lord.”

    REVELATION 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
    Arche (“Beginning”) The Greek for “beginning” is arche, from which we get our word “architect.” Its literal meaning, according to Greek scholars, is “origin, active cause, source, uncreated principle.” So the above verse is describing Jesus as the “architect,” or Creator of the Universe. In Rev 21:6 “arche” is applied to the Father, so it can't possibly mean “created being,” as Jehovah's Witnesses and other heretics maintain.

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    Psa 41:13  Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.
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    MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting.

    JOHN 5:23 That all {men} should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.

    JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

    REVELATION 5:8 . . . the four beasts and four {and} twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

    Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

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    REVELATION 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

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    Gen 17:1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

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    1 CHRONICLES 28:9 . . . the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts:

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    MATTHEW 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?

    MATTHEW 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, . . .
    REVELATION 2:23 . . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: . . .

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    JEREMIAH 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.
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    MATTHEW 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

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    DANIEL 9:9 To the Lord our God {belong} mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him;
    LUKE 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
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    LUKE 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
    MARK 2:5-10 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. (6) But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, (7) Why doth this {man} thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

    ACTS 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon {God}, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

    Mat 26:63  But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
    Mat 26:64  Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
    Mat 26:65  Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy;

    (The high priest understood Jesus’ claim to be God and wrongly accused Him of blasphemy.)
    Blasphemy can only be committed against God.

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    Isa 40:3  The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
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    Mat 3:3  For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
    Mar 1:1  The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
    Mar 1:2  As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
    Mar 1:3  The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

    Jer 23:5  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch(Jesus), and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6  In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Mar 2:28  Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

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    Exo 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

    1Co 10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
    Deu 32:3  Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
    Deu 32:4  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
    1Sa 2:2  There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
    1Sa 2:2  There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
    Psa 78:35  And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

    1Co 10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

    Exo 20:2  I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
    1Co 10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

    Mal 3:6  For I am the LORD (yhovah), I change not;
    Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

    Exo 3:14  And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
    Joh 8:57  Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
    Joh 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
    Joh 8:59  Then took they up stones to cast at him: (because Jesus claimed the name of God)

    Jehovah said: “…and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced” (Zec. 12:10). The preceding verses (1, 4, 7, 8) identify Jehovah as the one speaking. Christ is the one who was pierced, and John 19:37 clearly tells us that this prophecy was fulfilled in His crucifixion.

    *EZEKIEL 34:11-12,15,22,31 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, {even} I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. (12) As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep {that are} scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day . . . (15) I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord God . . . (22) Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle . . . (31) And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, {are} men, {and} I {am} your God, saith the Lord God. {cf. Ps 23:1, 80:1, 100:3, Is 40:11, Jer 23:1, 31:10}

    +JOHN 10:7,11,14-16,26-29 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep . . . (11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep . . . (14) I am the good shepherd, and know my {sheep}, and am known of mine. (15) As the Father knoweth me, even so I know the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. (16) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, {and} one shepherd . . . (26) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. (27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: (28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any {man} pluck them out of my hand. (29) My Father, which gave {them} me, is greater than all; and no {man} is able to pluck {them} out of my Father's hand. {cf. Ezek 34:23, Mic 5:4, Zech 13:7 w/Mt 26:31, Heb 13:20, 1 Pet 5:4, Rev 7:17}

    *ISAIAH 40:8 . . . the word of our God shall stand for ever.

    +MATTHEW 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    *PSALM 148:1-2 Praise ye the Lord. Praise ye the Lord from the heavens: praise him in the heights. (2) Praise ye him, all his angels : praise ye him, all his hosts.

    +HEBREWS 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

    *ISAIAH 62:5 For {as} a young man marrieth a virgin, {so} shall thy sons marry thee: and {as} the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, {so} shall thy God rejoice over thee. {cf. Is 54:5-6, Hos 2:16-20}

    +REVELATION 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. {cf. Mt 24:44, 25:1,6,13, Jn 3:29, Rev 21:9}

    *DEUTERONOMY 10:17 For the Lord your God {is} God of Gods, and Lord of Lords, a great God, . . . {cf. Ps 136:2-3, 1 Tim 6:15}

    +REVELATION 17:14 . . . the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: . . .{cf. Rev 19:16}

    *ISAIAH 48:17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; . . . {cf. 10:20, 43:3, 1 Sam 2:2, Ps 89:18}

    +ACTS 3:13-14 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; . . . (14) But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, . . . {cf. Acts 2:27 w/ Ps 16:10, Is 49:7}

    *REVELATION 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: . . . {cf. Is 60:19}

    +REVELATION 21:23 And the city had no need of the s
    un, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb {is} the light thereof.

    *DEUTERONOMY 32:39 . . . neither {is there any} that can deliver out of my hand. {cf. Jn 10:29}

    +JOHN 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any {man} pluck them out of my hand.

    *PROVERBS 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son {in whom} he delighteth.

    +REVELATION 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

    *PSALM 62:12 . . . unto thee, O Lord, {belongeth} mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work. {cf. Is 40:10}

    +MATTHEW 16:27 For the Son of man shall . . . reward every man according to his works.

    +REVELATION 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward {is} with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    *EZEKIEL 34:17 . . . Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.

    +MATTHEW 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth {his} sheep from the goats:

    *GALATIANS 1:4-5 . . . according to the will of God and our Father: (5) To whom {be} glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    +2 PETER 3:18 . . . our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him {be} glory both now and for ever. Amen. {cf. Heb 13:21}

    *JOHN 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and {of} the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. {cf. Mt 21;31, Lk 7:28, Acts 1:3, Rom 14:17, 1 Cor 4:20, 15:50, Col 4:11, Rev 12:10}

    +COLOSSIANS 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated {us} into the kingdom of his dear Son: {cf. Jn 18:36, Eph 5:5, 2 Tim 4:1, Heb 1:8, 2 Pet 1:1}

    *ROMANS 7:22 . . . the law of God . . . {cf. Ps 19:7}

    +GALATIANS 6:2 . . . fulfil the law of Christ.

    *ROMANS 8:9 . . . the Spirit of God . . .

    +ROMANS 8:9 . . . the Spirit of Christ, .. .

    *PSALM 71:5 For thou {art} my hope, O Lord God: . . .

    +1 TIMOTHY 1:1 . . . Lord Jesus Christ, {which is} our hope;

    *TITUS 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

    +ACTS 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

    *REVELATION 22:6 . . . the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel . . .

    +REVELATION 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches . . .

    *ROMANS 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called {to be} an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, {cf. Mk 1:14, Rom 15:16, 1 Thess 2:2,8-9, 1 Pet 4:17}

    +ROMANS 15:19 . . . I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. {cf. Rom 1:16, 1 Cor 9:12, 2 Cor 2:12, 1 Thess 3:2}

    *1 CORINTHIANS 15:9 . . . I persecuted the church of God. {cf. 1 Cor 11:22, Gal 1:13}

    +MATTHEW 16:18 . . . thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; . . .

    +ROMANS 16:16 . . . The churches of Christ salute you.

    *TITUS 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, . . . {cf. Rom 12:11, Lk 4:8- “. . . him only shalt thou serve”}

    +ROMANS 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, . . . {cf. Eph 6:6, Col 3:24; servants of both: Jas 1:1, Rev 7:3, 11:18, 19:5}

    *ISAIAH 43:3 For I {am} the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: . . .

    2) *ISAIAH 43:11 I, {even} I, {am} the Lord; and beside me {there is} no saviour.

    3) *ISAIAH 49:26 . . . I the Lord {am} thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

    4) *HOSEA 13:4 Yet I {am} the Lord thy God . . . {there is} no saviour beside me. {cf. Ps 106:21, Is 45:21-22, 60:16, 63:8}

    5) *LUKE 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

    6) *1 TIMOTHY 4:10 . . . the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. {cf. 1 Tim 1:1, 2:3, 2 Tim 1:9, Titus 1:3, 2:10, 3:4, Jude 1:25}

    1) #ISAIAH 49:5-6 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb {to be} his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, . . . (6) And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

    1) +LUKE 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
    2) 4) +ACTS 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand {to be} a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    5) +TITUS 2:13 . . . great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    6) +2 PETER 1:1 . . . God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

    7) +1 JOHN 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son {to be} the Saviour of the world.

    1) *ISAIAH 45:23 . . . unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. {cf. 66:23}
    2) 2) +PHILIPPIANS 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: (10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of {things} in heaven, and {things} in earth, and {things} under the earth; (11) And {that} every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ {is} Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    1) *ISAIAH 35:4 . . . behold, your God will come {with} vengeance, {even} God {with} a recompence; he will come and save you.

    2) *ISAIAH 40:5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see {it} together: . . .

    3) *ISAIAH 40:10 Behold, the Lord God will come with strong {hand}, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward {is} with him, and his work before him.
    2) 7) *JOEL 2:10-11 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: (11) And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp {is} very great: for {he is} strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord {is} great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
    3) 5) +2 THESSALONIANS 1:7-8 . . . the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    6) +REVELATION 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they {also} which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. {cf. Zech 12:10}
    4) 8) +REVELATION 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward {is} with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    1) *PSALM 50:6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is {judge} himself. Selah.
    2)
    3) *PSALM 96:13 Before the Lord: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

    3) *ECCLESIASTES 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether {it be} good or whether {it be} evil.
    4) 1) +JOHN 5:22,27 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son . . . (27) And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

    2) +JOHN 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

    3) +ACTS 10:42 . . . it is he which was ordained of God {to be} the Judge of quick and dead.

    4) +2 TIMOTHY 4:1 I charge {thee} therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
    5) 5) +REVELATION 6:16-17 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: (17) For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand
    ?
    6) ) +REVELATION 19:11,15 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him {was} called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war . . . (15) And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

    1) *PSALM 24:10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he {is} the King of glory. Selah
    2) 8) +REVELATION 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: . . .

    Compare
    Psa 102:24  I said, O my God, do not take me up in the half of my days; Your years are through the generation of generations.
    Psa 102:25  Before time You founded the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
    Psa 102:26  They shall perish, but You shall endure; yea, all of them shall wear out like a garment; You shall change them like clothing, and they shall be changed.
    Psa 102:27  But You are He, and Your years shall not be ended.

    With
    Heb 1:8  but as to the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom;
    Heb 1:9  You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness beside Your fellows.” Psa. 45:6, 7
    Heb 1:10  And, “You, Lord, at the beginning founded the earth, and the heavens are works of Your hands.
    Heb 1:11  They will vanish away, but You will continue; and they will all become old, like a garment,
    Heb 1:12  and You shall fold them up like a covering, and they shall be changed. But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail.

    Compare
    Isa 6:1  In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
    Isa 6:2  Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
    Isa 6:3  And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
    Isa 6:10  Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

    With
    Joh 12:36  While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
    Joh 12:37  But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
    Joh 12:38  That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
    Joh 12:39  Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
    Joh 12:40  He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
    Joh 12:41  These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

    Compare
    Psa 7:8  The LORD (Jehovah) shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.
    Psa 7:9  Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

    1Ki 8:39  Then hear thou (Jehovah)  in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;)

    With
    Rev 2:23  And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I (Jesus) am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Mat 23:24  Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. :O

    #45204
    david
    Participant

    Without reading any of Cult Busters comments (other than the last line), I can quite confidently say based on everything else he's said, that whatever he is saying here is most likely wrong. I have no idea how he can even utter words with that camel tale hanging out of his mouth.

    (I'm sorry if these words seem bitter, but he has no ability to communicate, but can only repeat over and over and over again the same thing, which quite often, proves or even says, nothing. It's just frustrating.)

    #45211
    Is 1:18
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Mar. 17 2007,09:04)
    Without reading any of Cult Busters comments (other than the last line), I can quite confidently say based on everything else he's said, that whatever he is saying here is most likely wrong.  I have no idea how he can even utter words with that camel tale hanging out of his mouth.


    David, about 98% of what CB wrote in his post was quoted straight from the Bible. Just out of curiosity, I actually did a quick calculation on the percentage of words considered personal commentary in the post (5222 words total, approx. 107 words of personal commentary:- 107/5222 * 100/1 = 2.05%).

    He quotes scripture and you write “I can quite confidently say based on everything else he's said, that whatever he is saying here is most likely wrong”…..It appears you have a problem with scripture David.

    :)

    CB's modus operandi is basically to let scripture do the talking for him, and he generally stays out of the contentious arguments. I think it's commendable approach…..

    Kodos CB. I admire your approach.

    #45214
    kenrch
    Participant

    Jesus God in flesh. Sure! He was filled up beyond measure with the Holy Spirit. His flesh just being an earth suit :D

    Heb 1:8 but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
    Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

    Jesus God and HIS GOD. Same Spirit!

    IHL,

    Ken

    #45235
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi kenrch,
    He was made flesh.
    The revelation of God through him was because of the anointing with the Spirit of God to the fullness of deity.
    He was never our God.

    #45252
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Is Cult buster posting the same posts over and over or are they different?

    #45253
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (Cult Buster @ Mar. 17 2007,23:11)
    JESUS IS JEHOVAH AND EQUAL WITH GOD


    Think about what you said Cult buster.

    If Jesus is equal with God, then he cannot be God.

  • If 3+2=5 then neither 3 or 2 is 5.
  • If the value of gold is equal to $100 per ounce, then gold cannot be a hundred dollar note.
  • If another person is my equal, then he is not me.
  • If New Zealand has plant diversity equal to the Amazon, then New Zealand isn't the Amazon. Nor are the plants in New Zealand the same as what you find in the Amazon.

    Can you see that?

#45256
kenrch
Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2007,20:27)
Hi kenrch,
He was made flesh.
The revelation of God through him was because of the anointing with the Spirit of God to the fullness of deity.
He was never our God.


Heb 1:8  but of the Son he saith, *Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever*; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; *Therefore GOD*, thy GOD, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

1Co 15:25  For “he must reign”, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26  *The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death*.

1Co 15:28  And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

The Father is God of Jesus who is appointed God and “must reign”.  UNTIL the last enemy is defeated. THEN The Son Himself will be subject to the Father that GOD will be all in all.

Col 1:13  who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into *the KINGDOM OF THE SON* of his love;

Col 1:14  in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
Col 1:15  who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
Col 1:16  for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;
Col 1:17  and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.
Col 1:18  And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19  For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fulness dwell;

Jesus is so full of the Spirit of God he couldn't be more God UNLESS He were the Father.  BUT HE is NOT Jehovah. And He said that the Father is greater than He.

Joh 14:28  Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I.

#45275
Cult Buster
Participant

Kenrch

Quote
Jesus is so full of the Spirit of God he couldn't be more God UNLESS He were the Father.  BUT HE is NOT Jehovah.

Kenrch. Kindly comment on the following.

         Jesus (Jehovah) The Alpha & The Omega (The First & The Last).

“Behold, He comes with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierced Him will see Him, and all the kindreds of the earth will wail because of Him. Even so, Amen. I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
(Rev 1:7-8)

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending,
the First and the Last.”

 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify these things to you over the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright and Morning Star.”
(Rev 22:13 & 16)

The Book of Revelation, which is the Testimony of Jesus Christ, identifies Jesus as the The Alpha & The Omega (The First & The Last). It further identifies Him as The Almighty. Further testimony by Jesus, showing that the title, The First & The Last belongs to Him is found in:

” And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying to me, Do not fear, I am the First and the Last, and the Living One, and I became dead, and behold, I am alive for ever and ever, Amen. And I have the keys of hell and of death.”
(Rev 1:17-18)

“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The First and the Last, who became dead and lived, says these things:”
(Rev 2:8)

It is Jesus Christ, Himself, who became dead and lived, who reveals that He is the First & the Last of Holy Scripture.

Since the Bible is one continual work stretching from Genesis to Revelation, it is clear that this title belongs to Jesus, and no other. There can only be One who is the First and one who is the Last .
 

We also find the following statements concerning the First & the Last in the Holy Bible:

– – “Who has planned and done it, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, Jehovah, am the first and the last; I am He.”
(Isa 41:4)

“So says Jehovah, the King of Israel, and His redeemer Jehovah of Hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides Me there is no God.”
(Isa 44:6)

“Listen to me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I am He; I am the first, I also am the last. My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.”
(Isa 48:12-13)
 

Isaiah, inspired by God, calls the First & the Last, Jehovah, Jehovah of Hosts, the Redeemer, and God (meaning the God of Israel). This further biblical evidence provide overwhelming Testimony from Holy Scripture that Jesus (Jehovah) is indeed God Almighty & Eternal.

  Here is overwhelming evidence from the Holy Bible that Jesus Christ The Almighty God is the eternal Jehovah, The Alpha & The Omega, The First & The Last, The Beginning and the Ending.      :O

#45277
Cult Buster
Participant

Kenrch.

I understand that you teach others to observe the ten commandment law. I find that commendable.

However because some of your doctrine are of Arian origin, this puts you in conflict with the Sabbath observance commandment.

Before you can fully keep holy the Sabbath Day, it helps to understand who the God of the Sabbath Day is.

See the following.

                         

 Jesus the Lord Thy God

Exo 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

Mar 2:28  the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

This proves beyond doubt that the Lord of the Sabbath (Jesus) is the LORD thy God.

Just in case you missed it!

Luke 4:2  (Jesus)  Being forty days tempted of the devil.

Luke 4:12  And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Who was being tempted here? Jesus;    The Lord thy God.

Jer 23:5-6  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch (Jesus), and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

#45291
david
Participant

Is 1:18:

Quote
CB's modus operandi is basically to let scripture do the talking for him, and he generally stays out of the contentious arguments. I think it's commendable approach…..

Absolutely incorrect my incorrect friend. Here is in fact what he does.

Let me demonstrate:

Scripture,
Scripture,
Scripture,
Scripture,
Scripture
False conclusion not connected to anything

Silence,
no discussion

Yes, Is 1:18, you can do your math, and as you can see, there is a lot of scriptures, but your incorrect thinking is about as true as CB's ability to converse. It isn't there.

Sorry, but you have proved nothing.

CB is completley without the ability to reason or communicate. Yes, he can put millions of scriptures down and he can do this millions of times. And then at the end he can say something that in no way fits with those scirptures and then he can be silent or repost them.

Again, this isn't right.

#45294
david
Participant

Quote
David, about 98% of what CB wrote in his post was quoted straight from the Bible.

Perhaps dear Is 1:18, that is the problem. He has no ability to explain or connect why those strings of scriptures in any ways support his last few words, which are in every way unrelated to those scriptures. This of course applies only to the vast majority and I'm sure you can find one or two places where cohesive thoughts are somehow connected to scripture. But I assure you it is merely coincidence. Mathematically, you have to get one or two hits even if you're not trying.

david.

Ps, Is 1:18, do you actually support or approve of CB's methods? Or his purpose? When you find that he doesn't agree with your religion, you will see the complete lack of connectivity in his posts and it will frustrate you to insanity as he reposts them and reposts them and then when you ask him about them, reposts the same post again.

#45296
david
Participant

Quote
CB's modus operandi is basically to let scripture do the talking for him, and he generally stays out of the contentious arguments. I think it's commendable approach…..

Kodos CB. I admire your approach.

Perhaps, Is 1:18, you should try what you so commend and admire.

#45299
Is 1:18
Participant

David, let me put it this way.

I have the utmost respect for someone who can simply quote scriptures with minimal input of personal commentary, where the conveyed message is obvious, and invoke a response like yours…..

That's class.

#45304
Is 1:18
Participant

Quote (david @ Mar. 18 2007,08:41)
Perhaps, Is 1:18, you should try what you so commend and admire.


Well each to their own, I suppose.

:)

#45305
david
Participant

Quote
I have the utmost respect for someone who can simply quote scriptures with minimal input of personal commentary, where the conveyed message is obvious, and invoke a response like yours…..

That's class.

Check your dictionary. Class is not when you ignore people's responses to your questions. Class is not when you attack someones beliefs and then when they call you on it, you ignore them and repost the same ideas, only to ignore again. I have asked, more like begged him to converse with me on that subject and he is too busy, he says. Yet, he loves to post his scriptures with a tag line on the end.

If I were to start doing the same, I would feel, not classy, but bad, dishonest, wrong.

You have no idea what class is my masked friend.

#45314
Is 1:18
Participant

Quote
I have the utmost respect for someone who can simply quote scriptures with minimal input of personal commentary, where the conveyed message is obvious, and invoke a response like yours…..


Please read carefully David.

#45322
david
Participant

Quote
I have the utmost respect for someone who can simply quote scriptures with minimal input of personal commentary, where the conveyed message is obvious, and invoke a response like yours…..


So do I. But this in no way applies to CB. That's my entire point. His message isn't obvious, yet at the end, as I've said a few times now, at the end, he tags on a line (that last 2%) which says something like: “See, overwhelming evidence…”
While “his” message may be obvious, the scriptures he quotes in no way supports his obvious conclusion. Hence, my mind numbing frustration.

#45325
NickHassan
Participant

Hi david,
CB is a very insecure frightened man on the evidence he shows here. He is frightened to expose his knowledge to scrutiny because he believes salvation depends on accepting the human doctrine of trinity.

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