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Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2012,12:03) Hi William,
You are very welcome. It is my pleasure to be considered your true friend and sister in the Lord
Quote Yes I believe that when the Father spoke the foundations into place which bought about this manifestation, that it bought about the literal Word of God. Here you have the foundation and the manifestation coming into existence at different times…the foundations spoken into place first and then comes the manifestation second.
If the Word was in the beginning and with God, and then all things came into being after the Word was with God, your theory has a problem with sequence. What do you think?
John 1:1-3
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into beingKathi,
Sorry I must not of been clear, the manifestation happened instantaneously as the foundations (the laws that govern the existence of our corporeal realm) came into play.
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. the “in the beginning” does not mean eternity past but at that point where the Word was manifested.Thanks – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 27 2012,21:07) Stu,
Do you not know the purpose of the quotation marks around “claptrap”?Perhaps it is nothing more than literature, and poorly written at that. But the rantings of one who hates everything I believe in will do little to dissuade me.
And how do you know I hate everything you believe in? Is this all you believe? I thought I made some good points but all you have for me is that I'm ranting. And here you are making some claim about having stuff revealed to you by something you call a god? Of course the Judeo-christian mythology is little more than a different version of the same kind of claptrap you have invented here. We may as well include it as a chapter in that unfortunate tome for all the difference it would make. Others replying here seem to think you are inconsistent with their scripture. I'm not sure whether they appreciate how inconsistent scripture is already.Why do you deserve responses from people if you are then not going to engage? Are you a helpless victim of these “revelations”?
Stuart
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 27 2012,05:23) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2012,12:03) Hi William,
You are very welcome. It is my pleasure to be considered your true friend and sister in the LordQuote Yes I believe that when the Father spoke the foundations into place which bought about this manifestation, that it bought about the literal Word of God. Here you have the foundation and the manifestation coming into existence at different times…the foundations spoken into place first and then comes the manifestation second.
If the Word was in the beginning and with God, and then all things came into being after the Word was with God, your theory has a problem with sequence. What do you think?
John 1:1-3
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into beingKathi,
Sorry I must not of been clear, the manifestation happened instantaneously as the foundations (the laws that govern the existence of our corporeal realm) came into play.
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. the “in the beginning” does not mean eternity past but at that point where the Word was manifested.Thanks – Wm
Hi William,
Ok, then I wonder where are the angels who rejoiced at the foundations of the world in your revelation?God Speaks Now to Job
Job 38:1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,
2“Who is this that darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?3“Now gird up your loins like a man,
And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!4“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding,5Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the line on it?6“On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone,7When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?Thanks, William for your explanations,
KathiQuote The Father then created a spiritual realm (a new reality, a band of existence for the awareness of said souls to operate in) for these eternal souls to express themselves in, and to learn from experiences. As the laws that would govern this spiritual reality came into play, God was manifested as everything the constraint of this new reality could possibly support of the Father, this was the Holy Spirit. It allowed Him to interact vicariously through the Holy Spirit as His “agent” to this level of creation called Heaven. Heaven is made up of several “midrange” dimensions (archangels at the highest are the more powerful). As the Father began planting souls (starting at the higher dimensions), the resulted beings manifested to dwell within that dimension and all Heaven was in harmony, singing praises to the Father and interacting with Him and all was as it should be.
Kathi,
Angels were what I believe to be the lower dimensions of the mid-range of dimensions that make up Heaven. I believe the angels were created at a time when satan would still get caught up in worship of the Father and celebrate His works, it was before he had done anything overtly evil, and his long slide to pure evil.I appreciate your taking the time to ask these questions. It is what I was looking for, a scripture sanity check.
Thanks – Wm
Thanks William,
I do not know where you can find in the Bible about the foundation being abstract laws. I always thought that foundations were physical as something that can be seen and felt. Prov 8 speaks of measuring out the foundation after there were seas and mountains and hills. So, could you please show me your scriptures that tell us or indicate that the foundation is not tangible.Thanks again,
KathiKathi,
Sorry, foundation may not of been the best choice of words to describe it, what I was referring to was the laws of physics, those that govern our reality (laws of gravitation, Laws of motion, Thermodynamic laws, etc.) these would need to be in place before matter was created.Thanks – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 28 2012,13:51) Kathi,
Sorry, foundation may not of been the best choice of words to describe it, what I was referring to was the laws of physics, those that govern our reality (laws of gravitation, Laws of motion, Thermodynamic laws, etc.) these would need to be in place before matter was created.Thanks – Wm
Good Original Post!You really should read the Quran it will help greatly.
Many of the people here who have dug in deep on their own and have gotten certain conclusions would have found that there conclusions are already in the Quran.
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2012,10:50) Hi William,
So I think you are saying that the Son is not really the Son of God the Father but an image of the manifestation of God the Father as much as possible within this realm. Is that correct?Blessings,
Kathi
This is exactly correct!Hi BD,
Are you saying that this is what Wm is indeed saying,
or are you agree with what you believe Wm is saying?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 28 2012,14:42) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 28 2012,13:51) Kathi,
Sorry, foundation may not of been the best choice of words to describe it, what I was referring to was the laws of physics, those that govern our reality (laws of gravitation, Laws of motion, Thermodynamic laws, etc.) these would need to be in place before matter was created.Thanks – Wm
Good Original Post!You really should read the Quran it will help greatly.
Many of the people here who have dug in deep on their own and have gotten certain conclusions would have found that there conclusions are already in the Quran.
Help how?To confuse the situation?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 27 2012,21:51) Kathi,
Sorry, foundation may not of been the best choice of words to describe it, what I was referring to was the laws of physics, those that govern our reality (laws of gravitation, Laws of motion, Thermodynamic laws, etc.) these would need to be in place before matter was created.Thanks – Wm
Hi William,
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. The word 'foundation' was not helping me understand.Next question
Does the Father have a conversation with the manifestation of Himself?Kathi
Kathi,
Quite possible, His manifestation had the addition of a human mind with its sensations, desires, memories, thoughts, and reasoning (providing an interface to our tangible existence). This bought a new aspect for the Father, just as our soul must deal with our flesh (though there wouldn't be a sin nature to deal with). Besides I'm sure I'm not the only one who talks to himself!Wm
William,
I am thinking about before Mary, before the creation of man, did the Father have a conversation with the manifestation of Himself then? Ya know…”Let US make man in OUR image…”Kathi,
I believe that when the Father was manifested at the creation of our reality it was with a body not unlike the one we will receive after we are changed. So when He said “Let US make man in OUR image” He was saying to that “separate” mind of His manifestation the decision, just like when we're mulling thoughts and reasoning about an approach, then our will makes a decision (after all while the Father was the source, it was through the manifestation that creation happened).Wm
William,
What prevents you from seeing this manifestation as the offspring of God the Father before the ages? When scripture says “Let US make man in OUR image” this implies that both who are speaking have an image. Does the manifestation have its own manifestation (image) before the ages?Kathi,
I believe that the offspring of God at the beginning of the ages proceeded from the Father, basically putting everything of the nature of the Father that could be put, into a “box”, mixing in a mind which allows independent thought providing a conscious interface to our reality and an unconscious interface to the spiritual side.I believe when He said “Let US make man in OUR image” the “image” that man was made after is body, soul, spirit.
As to the manifestation having an image before the creation of our reality, not in my opinion.
One point I want to be clear on I am not trying to persuade anyone at this time, I believe this revelation was given to me from God, but it was more of an understanding than facts, with much of it beyond words and yet I'm trying to describe it using… words. It does seem to fit right in with the whole scriptures (but my memory isn't what it used to be) however I've always been concerned about being deceived and the trouble is the nature of being deceived is your blind to it. That is why I have asked others here to “shoot holes in it” (from scripture) to make sure it does not miss the mark (or that I might be pointed in totally the wrong direction). I appreciate your approach you've done it with a gentle loving spirit, thank you.
Wm
William I am glad to check you on this revelation and you are being very patient with my inquiries…thank you for that
You had a revelation several years ago that you told me about. How is this revelation different?
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,14:59) Hi BD, Are you saying that this is what Wm is indeed saying,
or are you agree with what you believe Wm is saying?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
With what Kathi believes he was saying or what he was saying if thatis what he meantQuote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 31 2012,09:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,14:59) Hi BD, Are you saying that this is what Wm is indeed saying,
or are you agree with what you believe Wm is saying?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
With what Kathi believes he was saying or what he was saying if thatis what he meant
OK, thanqks
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