GOD (Elohim)–It's meaning

[kenrch]

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, BUT the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

[Worshipping Jesus]

K

This is what your doctrine declares. What if someone gets saved by believing In Jesus and accepting him but wasnt told he rose on the third day.

Do they have to wait until they hear and recieve this truth before they are saved?

What about the theif on the cross. He didnt know what day Jesus was gonna rise.

You put to much importance on things that really is not that important to salvation or an intimate relationship whit God.

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:49)

Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:43) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:39) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:31) “The Catholics have a lot of truth that you yourself believes, so does that mean what you believe is of the Harlot”? What truth is that? Name a few     K I did. Did you not read my post? They believe in the death and burial and resurection of Jesus. Dont you? If you do then by your definition of partaking of the harlot means you need to come out of her also. WHAT DAY WJ.  Or doesn't what Jesus said mean anything. Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. I believe Jesus not your Harlot the Pope.   I suppose you believe the Pope seeing you are defending her. K Also I have no Pope nor am I a Catholic nor have I brightened the doors of one.

You keep her doctrine you are part of her, that simple.

How are you to come out of her unless you reject her doctrines

You will have to choose sooner or latter

You should come out of her Now. The sooner the better

[kenrch]

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K This is what your doctrine declares. What if someone gets saved by believing In Jesus and accepting him but wasnt told he rose on the third day. Do they have to wait until they hear and recieve this truth before they are saved? What about the theif on the cross. He didnt know what day Jesus was gonna rise. You put to much importance on things that really is not that important to salvation or an intimate relationship whit God.

Yeah like Spirit and Truth

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:54)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:49) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:43) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:39) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:31) “The Catholics have a lot of truth that you yourself believes, so does that mean what you believe is of the Harlot”? What truth is that? Name a few K I did. Did you not read my post? They believe in the death and burial and resurection of Jesus. Dont you? If you do then by your definition of partaking of the harlot means you need to come out of her also. WHAT DAY WJ.  Or doesn't what Jesus said mean anything. Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. I believe Jesus not your Harlot the Pope.   I suppose you believe the Pope seeing you are defending her. K Also I have no Pope nor am I a Catholic nor have I brightened the doors of one. You keep her doctrine you are part of her, that simple. How are you to come out of her unless you reject her doctrines You will have to choose sooner or latter You should come out of her Now.  The sooner the better

K

Again they have a lot of doctrines that you believe also.

So come out of her!

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:52)

K This is what your doctrine declares. What if someone gets saved by believing In Jesus and accepting him but wasnt told he rose on the third day. Do they have to wait until they hear and recieve this truth before they are saved? What about the theif on the cross. He didnt know what day Jesus was gonna rise. You put to much importance on things that really is not that important to salvation or an intimate relationship whit God.

We are accountable for what we know. But choosing to be ignorant won't work.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:57)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:52) K This is what your doctrine declares. What if someone gets saved by believing In Jesus and accepting him but wasnt told he rose on the third day. Do they have to wait until they hear and recieve this truth before they are saved? What about the theif on the cross. He didnt know what day Jesus was gonna rise. You put to much importance on things that really is not that important to salvation or an intimate relationship whit God. We are accountable for what we know.  But choosing to be ignorant won't work.

K

Thanks!

The fellings are mutual!

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:56)

Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:49) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:43) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:39) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:31) “The Catholics have a lot of truth that you yourself believes, so does that mean what you believe is of the Harlot”? What truth is that? Name a few K I did. Did you not read my post? They believe in the death and burial and resurection of Jesus. Dont you? If you do then by your definition of partaking of the harlot means you need to come out of her also. WHAT DAY WJ.  Or doesn't what Jesus said mean anything. Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. I believe Jesus not your Harlot the Pope.   I suppose you believe the Pope seeing you are defending her. K Also I have no Pope nor am I a Catholic nor have I brightened the doors of one. You keep her doctrine you are part of her, that simple. How are you to come out of her unless you reject her doctrines You will have to choose sooner or latter You should come out of her Now.  The sooner the better K Again they have a lot of doctrines that you believe also. So come out of her!

I worship in Spirit and truth. If they line up with the truth then good for them however they deny Jesus being the Christ. So what good would their truth mixed with lies do?

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:59)

Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:57) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:52) K This is what your doctrine declares. What if someone gets saved by believing In Jesus and accepting him but wasnt told he rose on the third day. Do they have to wait until they hear and recieve this truth before they are saved? What about the theif on the cross. He didnt know what day Jesus was gonna rise. You put to much importance on things that really is not that important to salvation or an intimate relationship whit God. We are accountable for what we know.  But choosing to be ignorant won't work. K Thanks! The fellings are mutual!

You stand in defence of your god. You teach her lies probably attend one of her daughters buildings

So if the shoe fits wear it but you can take it off by coming out of her

[kenrch]

Here is the partical list again:

What are the doctrine of the Harlot?

They walk in long robes.
Luk 20:46 Beware of the scribes who desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the first seats in the synagogues, and the chief places at the feasts;

They use prayer beads and vain repetitions.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

They call their clergy father.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Graven images, light candles, believe they turn bread and wine to body and blood of Christ.
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

They changed the law of God.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

They declared Jesus is not the Christ by teaching their false doctrine that Jesus was resurrected on Sunday.
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said.

That's enough for me!
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

If you keep her false doctrines then you are in her. The end time message is to deny her doctrines and worship in Spirit and Truth.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,07:01)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:56) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:49) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:43) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:39) kenrch,April wrote: ”The Catholics have a lot of truth that you yourself believes, so does that mean what you believe is of the Harlot”? What truth is that? Name a few K I did. Did you not read my post? They believe in the death and burial and resurection of Jesus. Dont you? If you do then by your definition of partaking of the harlot means you need to come out of her also. WHAT DAY WJ.  Or doesn't what Jesus said mean anything. Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. I believe Jesus not your Harlot the Pope.   I suppose you believe the Pope seeing you are defending her. K Also I have no Pope nor am I a Catholic nor have I brightened the doors of one. You keep her doctrine you are part of her, that simple. How are you to come out of her unless you reject her doctrines You will have to choose sooner or latter You should come out of her Now.  The sooner the better K Again they have a lot of doctrines that you believe also. So come out of her!

I worship in Spirit and truth.  If they line up with the truth then good for them however they deny Jesus being the Christ. So what good would their truth mixed with lies do? /quote]
K

Please show me evidence where the RCC does not believe Jesus is the Messiah.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,07:04)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:59) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:57) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:52) K This is what your doctrine declares. What if someone gets saved by believing In Jesus and accepting him but wasnt told he rose on the third day. Do they have to wait until they hear and recieve this truth before they are saved? What about the theif on the cross. He didnt know what day Jesus was gonna rise. You put to much importance on things that really is not that important to salvation or an intimate relationship whit God. We are accountable for what we know.  But choosing to be ignorant won't work. K Thanks! The fellings are mutual! You stand in defence of your god.  You teach her lies probably attend one of her daughters buildings So if the shoe fits wear it but you can take it off by coming out of her

K

As I said.

Thanks. The feelings are mutual!

[Worshipping Jesus]

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I worship in Spirit and truth. If they line up with the truth then good for them however they deny Jesus being the Christ. So what good would their truth mixed with lies do? /quote] K

K

And I suppose you have perfect doctrine right?

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,07:10)

Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,07:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:56) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:49) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:43) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:39) kenrch,April wrote: ”The Catholics have a lot of truth that you yourself believes, so does that mean what you believe is of the Harlot”? What truth is that? Name a few K I did. Did you not read my post? They believe in the death and burial and resurection of Jesus. Dont you? If you do then by your definition of partaking of the harlot means you need to come out of her also. WHAT DAY WJ.  Or doesn't what Jesus said mean anything. Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. I believe Jesus not your Harlot the Pope.   I suppose you believe the Pope seeing you are defending her. K Also I have no Pope nor am I a Catholic nor have I brightened the doors of one. You keep her doctrine you are part of her, that simple. How are you to come out of her unless you reject her doctrines You will have to choose sooner or latter You should come out of her Now.  The sooner the better K Again they have a lot of doctrines that you believe also. So come out of her! I worship in Spirit and truth.  If they line up with the truth then good for them however they deny Jesus being the Christ. So what good would their truth mixed with lies do? /quote] K Please show me evidence where the RCC does not believe Jesus is the Messiah.

What was the only sign that Jesus gave that He is the Christ?

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

What does the Roman Universal Church teach?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,07:15)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,07:10) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,07:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:56) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:49) Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,06:43) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,06:39) kenrch,April wrote: ”The Catholics have a lot of truth that you yourself believes, so does that mean what you believe is of the Harlot”? What truth is that? Name a few K I did. Did you not read my post? They believe in the death and burial and resurection of Jesus. Dont you? If you do then by your definition of partaking of the harlot means you need to come out of her also. WHAT DAY WJ.  Or doesn't what Jesus said mean anything. Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. I believe Jesus not your Harlot the Pope.   I suppose you believe the Pope seeing you are defending her. K Also I have no Pope nor am I a Catholic nor have I brightened the doors of one. You keep her doctrine you are part of her, that simple. How are you to come out of her unless you reject her doctrines You will have to choose sooner or latter You should come out of her Now.  The sooner the better K Again they have a lot of doctrines that you believe also. So come out of her! I worship in Spirit and truth.  If they line up with the truth then good for them however they deny Jesus being the Christ. So what good would their truth mixed with lies do? /quote] K Please show me evidence where the RCC does not believe Jesus is the Messiah. What was the only sign that Jesus gave that He is the Christ? Mat 12:39  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. What does the Roman Universal Church teach?

K

You didnt answer the question!

They dont teach Jesus is not the Messiah.

So again they believe he is the Messiah and you do too.

So come out of her!

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,07:14)

Quote I worship in Spirit and truth.  If they line up with the truth then good for them however they deny Jesus being the Christ. So what good would their truth mixed with lies do? /quote] K K And I suppose you have perfect doctrine right?

Well I don't intentionally follow the whore of babylon. The Mother of Harlots.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,07:19)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2007,07:14) Quote I worship in Spirit and truth.  If they line up with the truth then good for them however they deny Jesus being the Christ. So what good would their truth mixed with lies do? /quote] K K And I suppose you have perfect doctrine right? Well I don't intentionally follow the whore of babylon.  The Mother of Harlots.

K

Well now that you know they believe in the death and the burial and the resurection and the second coming and the Kingdom of God and the great white throne judgment and the Holy Spirit and the messiah and the virgin birth.

Then you should throw these things out for you will be following her doctrines!

[kenrch]

Scripture isn't enough for you? Sure they believe that Jesus is the Son demons believe but tremble. But they TEACH Jesus was not the Christ by denying the sign He gave.

If you can't SEE that well maybe latter

[kenrch]

Oh WJ I addressed all that blah blah

Believe what you will, it's your choice

IHN&L,

Ken

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ April 15 2007,07:24)

Scripture isn't enough for you?  Sure they believe that Jesus is the Son demons believe but tremble.  But they TEACH Jesus was not the Christ by denying the sign He gave. If you can't SEE that well maybe latter

K

What I do see is that you try to say because the RCC has certain beliefs and if they or any other organization dosnt line up with yours then they are the harlot and their daughters.

Sounds like eliteism to me.

You follow some of their doctrines also, yet you pick and choose what is of the Harlot based on whether it agrees with you and your doctrine and then call them daughters of the Harlot when you do the same thing.

I find that a little hypocritical. If all of her doctrine is of the whore as you say then you should not follow any of her doctrines either.

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