God delegates Authority in his Son's

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Wasn't Jesus without sin? Then why didn't >he< follow the Law and stone the women to death who committed adultery?

Because God is forgiving, the laws of Moses were like any other ancient civilization on the earth at that time, they all had the same kind of primitive laws of social conduct. Some middle eastern countries still have those civil laws.

According to Jesus no one was EVER qualified to stone women to death based on the biased, man made laws.

53 Then they all went home, 8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Colter

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journey42,July wrote: [/quote] Do you realise that this book of Urantia is associated with the skull and bones organisation?

No, do you realize that the New Testament was constructed by the Roman Catholic Church?

Colter

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Wasn't Jesus without sin? Then why didn't >he< follow the Law and stone the women to death who committed adultery?

John 12:47   And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

John 8:15   Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man

John 8:16   And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

John 8:26   I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

John 12:48   He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The Word judges Colter.  The Word of God.
Jesus came to shed light.  We have been given a second chance for over 2000 years now.  Judgement is reserved, set aside to take place when all has been fulfilled…so there's still a chance for us, the Ark is not closed yet.

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Because God is forgiving, the laws of Moses were like any other ancient civilization on the earth at that time, they all had the same kind of primitive laws of social conduct. Some middle eastern countries still have those civil laws.

No they didn't Colter.  Many had sex with Beasts, and with their own sex,
and many made idols for themselves and worshipped them, and many drank blood, and committed adultery and fornication,
and many mocked the God of the Israelites,

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Quote (journey42 @ July 13 2012,20:41) Quote (journey42 @ July 13 2012,20:29) Do you realise that this book of Urantia is associated with the skull and bones organisation? No, do you realize that the New Testament was constructed by the Roman Catholic Church? Colter

You are grasping at straws now. I already explained this to you.
They only had ACCESS to the scriptures.
They did not write them. They copied the scrolls into a book, they may of taken some books away, or added a few of their own, but those roman catholic scriptures are not in my KJV, the original version, but in their own edition only, and their own verses contradict scripture. If you study God's word you will see the discrepancies…But if you don't you will get lost.

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Quote (Colter @ July 13 2012,22:16) Quote (journey42 @ July 13 2012,20:41) Quote (journey42 @ July 13 2012,20:29) Do you realise that this book of Urantia is associated with the skull and bones organisation? No, do you realize that the New Testament was constructed by the Roman Catholic Church? Colter You are grasping at straws now.  I already explained this to you.   They only had ACCESS to the scriptures.   They did not write them.  They copied the scrolls into a book, they may of taken some books away, or added a few of their own, but those roman catholic scriptures are not in my KJV, the original version, but in their own edition only, and their own verses contradict scripture.  If you study God's word you will see the discrepancies…But if you don't you will get lost.

You explained it to your own satisfaction; you are too heavily invested in idolatrous book worship to make an unbiased review of the inconsistent scriptures of men.
We now know more about how the Pagan religion merged with the evolving Christian religion and Peter and Pauls new gospel about Jesus.

* The elite Hebrew priest edited and redacted all the OT books.

* The NT books also suffered from similar problems combined with Pauls own personal religious baggage.

PREVIOUS WRITTEN RECORDS

121:8.1 As far as possible, consistent with our mandate, we have endeavored to utilize and to some extent co-ordinate the existing records having to do with the life of Jesus on Urantia. Although we have enjoyed access to the lost record of the Apostle Andrew and have benefited from the collaboration of a vast host of celestial beings who were on earth during the times of Michael's bestowal (notably his now Personalized Adjuster), it has been our purpose also to make use of the so-called Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

121:8.2 These New Testament records had their origin in the following circumstances:

121:8.3 1. The Gospel by Mark. John Mark wrote the earliest (excepting the notes of Andrew), briefest, and most simple record of Jesus' life. He presented the Master as a minister, as man among men. Although Mark was a lad lingering about many of the scenes which he depicts, his record is in reality the Gospel according to Simon Peter. He was early associated with Peter; later with Paul. Mark wrote this record at the instigation of Peter and on the earnest petition of the church at Rome. Knowing how consistently the Master refused to write out his teachings when on earth and in the flesh, Mark, like the apostles and other leading disciples, was hesitant to put them in writing. But Peter felt the church at Rome required the assistance of such a written narrative, and Mark consented to undertake its preparation. He made many notes before Peter died in A.D. 67, and in accordance with the outline approved by Peter and for the church at Rome, he began his writing soon after Peter's death. The Gospel was completed near the end of A.D. 68. Mark wrote entirely from his own memory and Peter's memory. The record has since been considerably changed, numerous passages having been taken out and some later matter added at the end to replace the latter one fifth of the original Gospel, which was lost from the first manuscript before it was ever copied. This record by Mark, in conjunction with Andrew's and Matthew's notes, was the written basis of all subsequent Gospel narratives which sought to portray the life and teachings of Jesus.

121:8.4 2. The Gospel of Matthew. The so-called Gospel according to Matthew is the record of the Master's life which was written for the edification of Jewish Christians. The author of this record constantly seeks to show in Jesus' life that much which he did was that “it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet.” Matthew's Gospel portrays Jesus as a son of David, picturing him as showing great respect for the law and the prophets.

121:8.5 The Apostle Matthew did not write this Gospel. It was written by Isador, one of his disciples, who had as a help in his work not only Matthew's personal remembrance of these events but also a certain record which the latter had made of the sayings of Jesus directly after the crucifixion. This record by Matthew was written in Aramaic; Isador wrote in Greek. There was no intent to deceive in accrediting the production to Matthew. It was the custom in those days for pupils thus to honor their teachers.

121:8.6 Matthew's original record was edited and added to in A.D. 40 just before he left Jerusalem to engage in evangelistic preaching. It was a private record, the last copy having been destroyed in the burning of a Syrian monastery in A.D. 416.

121:8.7 Isador escaped from Jerusalem in A.D. 70 after the investment of the city by the armies of Titus, taking with him to Pella a copy of Matthew's notes. In the year 71, while living at Pella, Isador wrote the Gospel according to Matthew. He also had with him the first four fifths of Mark's narrative.

121:8.8 3. The Gospel by Luke. Luke, the physician of Antioch in Pisidia, was a gentile convert of Paul, and he wrote quite a different story of the Master's life. He began to follow Paul and learn of the life and teachings of Jesus in A.D. 47. Luke preserves much of the “grace of the Lord Jesus Christ” in his record as he gathered up these facts from Paul and others. Luke presents the Master as “the friend of publicans and sinners.” He did not formulate his many notes into the Gospel until after Paul's death. Luke wrote in the year 82 in Achaia. He planned three books dealing with the history of Christ and Christianity but died in A.D. 90 just before he finished the second of these works, the “Acts of the Apostles.”

121:8.9 As material for the compilation of his Gospel, Luke first depended upon the story of Jesus' life as Paul had related it to him. Luke's Gospel is, therefore, in some ways the Gospel according to Paul. But Luke had other sources of information. He not only interviewed scores of eyewitnesses to the numerous episodes of Jesus' life which he records, but he also had with him a copy of Mark's Gospel, that is, the first four fifths, Isador's narrative, and a brief record made in the year A.D. 78 at Antioch by a believer named Cedes. Luke also had a mutilated and much-edited copy of some notes purported to have been made by the Apostle Andrew.

121:8.10 4. The Gospel of John. The Gospel according to John relates much of Jesus' work in Judea and around Jerusalem which is not contained in the other records. This is the so-called Gospel according to John the son of Zebedee, and though John did not write it, he did inspire it. Since its first writing it has several times been edited to make it appear to have been written by John himself. When this record was made, John had the other Gospels, and he saw that much had been omitted; accordingly, in the year A.D. 101 he encouraged his associate,
Nathan, a Greek Jew from Caesarea, to begin the writing. John supplied his material from memory and by reference to the three records already in existence. He had no written records of his own. The Epistle known as “First John” was written by John himself as a covering letter for the work which Nathan executed under his direction.

121:8.11 All these writers presented honest pictures of Jesus as they saw, remembered, or had learned of him, and as their concepts of these distant events were affected by their subsequent espousal of Paul's theology of Christianity. And these records, imperfect as they are, have been sufficient to change the course of the history of Urantia for almost two thousand years.

121:8.12 [Acknowledgment: In carrying out my commission to restate the teachings and retell the doings of Jesus of Nazareth, I have drawn freely upon all sources of record and planetary information. My ruling motive has been to prepare a record which will not only be enlightening to the generation of men now living, but which may also be helpful to all future generations. From the vast store of information made available to me, I have chosen that which is best suited to the accomplishment of this purpose. As far as possible I have derived my information from purely human sources. Only when such sources failed, have I resorted to those records which are superhuman. When ideas and concepts of Jesus' life and teachings have been acceptably expressed by a human mind, I invariably gave preference to such apparently human thought patterns. Although I have sought to adjust the verbal expression the better to conform to our concept of the real meaning and the true import of the Master's life and teachings, as far as possible, I have adhered to the actual human concept and thought pattern in all my narratives. I well know that those concepts which have had origin in the human mind will prove more acceptable and helpful to all other human minds. When unable to find the necessary concepts in the human records or in human expressions, I have next resorted to the memory resources of my own order of earth creatures, the midwayers. And when that secondary source of information proved inadequate, I have unhesitatingly resorted to the superplanetary sources of information.

121:8.13 The memoranda which I have collected, and from which I have prepared this narrative of the life and teachings of Jesus—aside from the memory of the record of the Apostle Andrew—embrace thought gems and superior concepts of Jesus' teachings assembled from more than two thousand human beings who have lived on earth from the days of Jesus down to the time of the inditing of these revelations, more correctly restatements. The revelatory permission has been utilized only when the human record and human concepts failed to supply an adequate thought pattern. My revelatory commission forbade me to resort to extrahuman sources of either information or expression until such a time as I could testify that I had failed in my efforts to find the required conceptual expression in purely human sources.

121:8.14 While I, with the collaboration of my eleven associate fellow midwayers and under the supervision of the Melchizedek of record, have portrayed this narrative in accordance with my concept of its effective arrangement and in response to my choice of immediate expression, nevertheless, the majority of the ideas and even some of the effective expressions which I have thus utilized had their origin in the minds of the men of many races who have lived on earth during the intervening generations, right on down to those who are still alive at the time of this undertaking. In many ways I have served more as a collector and editor than as an original narrator. I have unhesitatingly appropriated those ideas and concepts, preferably human, which would enable me to create the most effective portraiture of Jesus' life, and which would qualify me to restate his matchless teachings in the most strikingly helpful and universally uplifting phraseology. In behalf of the Brotherhood of the United Midwayers of Urantia, I most gratefully acknowledge our indebtedness to all sources of record and concept which have been hereinafter utilized in the further elaboration of our restatement of Jesus' life on earth.]

Colter

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We now have the true history of the Hebrews before the exile redactions. Biblical scholars picked up on this as early as the 1800's.

I'm sorry journey42, but NOWHERE does the Bible call itself “Gods perfect word”. The Bible should NEVER have been inerrant, that’s not Gods fault or Jesus, its the fault of the false teaching of the perfection of the scripture by controlling religious authorities or those unable to have a faith based relationship with the living God.

http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1346#U97_8_0

Colter

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Quote (Colter @ July 13 2012,03:17) I belong to the “kingdom of heaven” and faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus. Colter Hi Colter, “faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus.” – that is what Bodhitharta (the forums muslim) claims he does as well. But he submits to the quran and you submit to the Urantia Book. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Colter

Anyone anywhere, inside or outside of any religion, who is searching for God will find God, in fact, if they are searching then they already have. Doctrine formation is a product of the mechanistic nature of man.

There is only one God called by many names by many earnest truth seekers.

Colter

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Quote (Ed J @ July 13 2012,08:23) Quote (Colter @ July 13 2012,03:17) I belong to the “kingdom of heaven” and faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus. Colter Hi Colter, “faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus.” – that is what Bodhitharta (the forums muslim) claims he does as well. But he submits to the quran and you submit to the Urantia Book. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Colter Anyone anywhere, inside or outside of any religion, who is searching for God will find God, in fact, if they are searching then they already have. Doctrine formation is a product of the mechanistic nature of man. There is only one God called by many names by many earnest truth seekers. Colter

Colter.

What is your opinion regarding the receiving of the Holy spirit on the day of pantecost? Just as jesus had promised them.

All scriptures are inspired by God.

All the knowledge that you have acquired;Are they not written by men?

wakeup.

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Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,06:22) Quote (Ed J @ July 13 2012,08:23) Quote (Colter @ July 13 2012,03:17) I belong to the “kingdom of heaven” and faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus. Colter Hi Colter, “faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus.” – that is what Bodhitharta (the forums muslim) claims he does as well. But he submits to the quran and you submit to the Urantia Book. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Colter Anyone anywhere, inside or outside of any religion, who is searching for God will find God, in fact, if they are searching then they already have. Doctrine formation is a product of the mechanistic nature of man. There is only one God called by many names by many earnest truth seekers. Colter Colter. What is your opinion regarding the receiving of the Holy spirit on the day of pantecost? Just as jesus had promised them. All scriptures are inspired by God. All the knowledge that you have acquired;Are they not written by men? wakeup.

When Paul said “all scripture is inspired by God” those words weren't scripture. Paul's letters were converted into scripture latter by the authoritarian church.

The Urantia Book is a composite revelation from a number of different celestial beings. The story of Jesus came from angels that were on earth at the time of Jesus.

The spirit of truth was poured out as Jesus said, it is here now and available to anyone who seek truth.

Colter

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Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,07:21)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 14 2012,07:07) Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,06:22) Quote (Ed J @ July 13 2012,08:23) Quote (Colter @ July 13 2012,03:17) I belong to the “kingdom of heaven” and faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus. Colter Hi Colter, “faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus.” – that is what Bodhitharta (the forums muslim) claims he does as well. But he submits to the quran and you submit to the Urantia Book. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Colter Anyone anywhere, inside or outside of any religion, who is searching for God will find God, in fact, if they are searching then they already have. Doctrine formation is a product of the mechanistic nature of man. There is only one God called by many names by many earnest truth seekers. Colter Colter. What is your opinion regarding the receiving of the Holy spirit on the day of pantecost? Just as jesus had promised them. All scriptures are inspired by God. All the knowledge that you have acquired;Are they not written by men? wakeup. When Paul said “all scripture is inspired by God” those words weren't scripture. Paul's letters were converted into scripture latter by the authoritarian church. The Urantia Book is a composite revelation from a number of different celestial beings. The story of Jesus came from angels that were on earth at the time of Jesus. The spirit of truth was poured out as Jesus said, it is here now and available to anyone who seek truth. Colter

Colter.

What about the pouring out of the Holy spirit on the apostles? Are you saying that some of them has blasphemed the Holy spirit by writing lies?

And where does one seek God?

wakeup.

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Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,07:21) Quote (Wakeup @ July 14 2012,07:07) Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,06:22) Quote (Ed J @ July 13 2012,08:23) Quote (Colter @ July 13 2012,03:17) I belong to the “kingdom of heaven” and faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus. Colter Hi Colter, “faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus.” – that is what Bodhitharta (the forums muslim) claims he does as well. But he submits to the quran and you submit to the Urantia Book. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Colter Anyone anywhere, inside or outside of any religion, who is searching for God will find God, in fact, if they are searching then they already have. Doctrine formation is a product of the mechanistic nature of man. There is only one God called by many names by many earnest truth seekers. Colter Colter. What is your opinion regarding the receiving of the Holy spirit on the day of pantecost? Just as jesus had promised them. All scriptures are inspired by God. All the knowledge that you have acquired;Are they not written by men? wakeup. When Paul said “all scripture is inspired by God” those words weren't scripture. Paul's letters were converted into scripture latter by the authoritarian church. The Urantia Book is a composite revelation from a number of different celestial beings. The story of Jesus came from angels that were on earth at the time of Jesus. The spirit of truth was poured out as Jesus said, it is here now and available to anyone who seek truth. Colter Colter. What about the pouring out of the Holy spirit on the apostles? Are you saying that some of them has blasphemed the Holy spirit by writing lies? And where does one seek God? wakeup.

I never said that the apostles wrote “lies”. The Holy spirit was poured out on all of us, it is here now, but that does not mean that what we write was written by God.

The spirit of God is available anywhere one seeks it.

Colter

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Colter.

So why cant you depend on the Holy bible?
All scripture is inspired by the Holy spirit.

wakeup.

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Colter. So why cant you depend on the Holy bible? All scripture is inspired by the Holy spirit. wakeup.

I depend on God, the Bible is a golden calf, an idol fetish for those who find it to uncertain to have a faith based relationship with the living God.

Truth is inspired by God, your neck is heavy with the yoke of usurped church authority.

Typically, controlling religious authorities brain wash followers into believing that their own thinking is unreliable, that evil spirits tamper with their perceptions, that they must go through the appropriative religious authorities.

UB:

“Words eventually became fetishes, more especially those which were regarded as God's words; in this way the sacred books of many religions have become fetishistic prisons incarcerating the spiritual imagination of man. Moses' very effort against fetishes became a supreme fetish; his commandment was later used to stultify art and to retard the enjoyment and adoration of the beautiful.

88:2.7 In olden times the fetish word of authority was a fear-inspiring doctrine, the most terrible of all tyrants which enslave men. A doctrinal fetish will lead mortal man to betray himself into the clutches of bigotry, fanaticism, superstition, intolerance, and the most atrocious of barbarous cruelties. Modern respect for wisdom and truth is but the recent escape from the fetish-making tendency up to the higher levels of thinking and reasoning. Concerning the accumulated fetish writings which various religionists hold as sacred books, it is not only believed that what is in the book is true, but also that every truth is contained in the book. If one of these sacred books happens to speak of the earth as being flat, then, for long generations, otherwise sane men and women will refuse to accept positive evidence that the planet is round.

88:2.8 The practice of opening one of these sacred books to let the eye chance upon a passage, the following of which may determine important life decisions or projects, is nothing more nor less than arrant fetishism. To take an oath on a “holy book” or to swear by some object of supreme veneration is a form of refined fetishism.

88:2.9 But it does represent real evolutionary progress to advance from the fetish fear of a savage chief's fingernail trimmings to the adoration of a superb collection of letters, laws, legends, allegories, myths, poems, and chronicles which, after all, reflect the winnowed moral wisdom of many centuries, at least up to the time and event of their being assembled as a “sacred book.”

88:2.10 To become fetishes, words had to be considered inspired, and the invocation of supposed divinely inspired writings led directly to the establishment of the authority of the church, while the evolution of civil forms led to the fruition of the authority of the state.”

Colter

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Quote (Wakeup @ July 14 2012,22:59) Colter. So why cant you depend on the Holy bible? All scripture is inspired by the Holy spirit. wakeup. I depend on God, the Bible is a golden calf, an idol fetish for those who find it to uncertain to have a faith based relationship with the living God. Truth is inspired by God, your neck is heavy with the yoke of usurped church authority. Typically, controlling religious authorities brain wash followers into believing that their own thinking is unreliable, that evil spirits tamper with their perceptions, that they must go through the appropriative religious authorities. UB: “Words eventually became fetishes, more especially those which were regarded as God's words; in this way the sacred books of many religions have become fetishistic prisons incarcerating the spiritual imagination of man. Moses' very effort against fetishes became a supreme fetish; his commandment was later used to stultify art and to retard the enjoyment and adoration of the beautiful. 88:2.7 In olden times the fetish word of authority was a fear-inspiring doctrine, the most terrible of all tyrants which enslave men. A doctrinal fetish will lead mortal man to betray himself into the clutches of bigotry, fanaticism, superstition, intolerance, and the most atrocious of barbarous cruelties. Modern respect for wisdom and truth is but the recent escape from the fetish-making tendency up to the higher levels of thinking and reasoning. Concerning the accumulated fetish writings which various religionists hold as sacred books, it is not only believed that what is in the book is true, but also that every truth is contained in the book. If one of these sacred books happens to speak of the earth as being flat, then, for long generations, otherwise sane men and women will refuse to accept positive evidence that the planet is round. 88:2.8 The practice of opening one of these sacred books to let the eye chance upon a passage, the following of which may determine important life decisions or projects, is nothing more nor less than arrant fetishism. To take an oath on a “holy book” or to swear by some object of supreme veneration is a form of refined fetishism. 88:2.9 But it does represent real evolutionary progress to advance from the fetish fear of a savage chief's fingernail trimmings to the adoration of a superb collection of letters, laws, legends, allegories, myths, poems, and chronicles which, after all, reflect the winnowed moral wisdom of many centuries, at least up to the time and event of their being assembled as a “sacred book.” 88:2.10 To become fetishes, words had to be considered inspired, and the invocation of supposed divinely inspired writings led directly to the establishment of the authority of the church, while the evolution of civil forms led to the fruition of the authority of the state.” Colter

Colter.

We all know that the churches are corrupt;but does it make the scrolls and the scriptures corrupt?
How can one find God wihout the scriptures;must we just meditate under a tree somewhere,and expect God to zoom in,and give us all the knowledge?

How did you find all your knowledge; is it through reading or just maditating?
Yousaid the bible is a calf: what about the ub?is it a calf also?

wakeup.

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Quote (Colter @ July 15 2012,00:30) Quote (Wakeup @ July 14 2012,22:59) Colter. So why cant you depend on the Holy bible? All scripture is inspired by the Holy spirit. wakeup. I depend on God, the Bible is a golden calf, an idol fetish for those who find it to uncertain to have a faith based relationship with the living God. Truth is inspired by God, your neck is heavy with the yoke of usurped church authority. Typically, controlling religious authorities brain wash followers into believing that their own thinking is unreliable, that evil spirits tamper with their perceptions, that they must go through the appropriative religious authorities. UB: “Words eventually became fetishes, more especially those which were regarded as God's words; in this way the sacred books of many religions have become fetishistic prisons incarcerating the spiritual imagination of man. Moses' very effort against fetishes became a supreme fetish; his commandment was later used to stultify art and to retard the enjoyment and adoration of the beautiful. 88:2.7 In olden times the fetish word of authority was a fear-inspiring doctrine, the most terrible of all tyrants which enslave men. A doctrinal fetish will lead mortal man to betray himself into the clutches of bigotry, fanaticism, superstition, intolerance, and the most atrocious of barbarous cruelties. Modern respect for wisdom and truth is but the recent escape from the fetish-making tendency up to the higher levels of thinking and reasoning. Concerning the accumulated fetish writings which various religionists hold as sacred books, it is not only believed that what is in the book is true, but also that every truth is contained in the book. If one of these sacred books happens to speak of the earth as being flat, then, for long generations, otherwise sane men and women will refuse to accept positive evidence that the planet is round. 88:2.8 The practice of opening one of these sacred books to let the eye chance upon a passage, the following of which may determine important life decisions or projects, is nothing more nor less than arrant fetishism. To take an oath on a “holy book” or to swear by some object of supreme veneration is a form of refined fetishism. 88:2.9 But it does represent real evolutionary progress to advance from the fetish fear of a savage chief's fingernail trimmings to the adoration of a superb collection of letters, laws, legends, allegories, myths, poems, and chronicles which, after all, reflect the winnowed moral wisdom of many centuries, at least up to the time and event of their being assembled as a “sacred book.” 88:2.10 To become fetishes, words had to be considered inspired, and the invocation of supposed divinely inspired writings led directly to the establishment of the authority of the church, while the evolution of civil forms led to the fruition of the authority of the state.” Colter Colter. We all know that the churches are corrupt;but does it make the scrolls and the scriptures corrupt? How can one find God wihout the scriptures;must we just meditate under a tree somewhere,and expect God to zoom in,and give us all the knowledge? How did you find all your knowledge; is it through reading or just maditating? Yousaid the bible is a calf: what about the ub?is it a calf also? wakeup.

Jesus taught us to trust the indwelling spirit of the Father; after the ascension, he is also now with us.

I realize that faith is uncertain, that's why people form golden calfs. We were warned by the revelators of the UB not to do that with the UB. Faith is “living” God is not dead words though words may inspire men to search for God.

(1008.2) 92:4.9 5. “The Urantia Papers. The papers, of which this is one, constitute the most recent presentation of truth to the mortals of Urantia. These papers differ from all previous revelations, for they are not the work of a single universe personality but a composite presentation by many beings. But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia.”UB

Colter

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Colter.

You mentioned dead words; you obviously has not grasp who Jesus really is.
He is the WORD OF GOD,and the Holy bible is the word of God.
jesus defeated satan in the desert by quoting words written in the Bible.
Do you consider the ub. a holy book?
does it say ''THE HOLY UB?

You have also not answered my question: do we simply have to meditate to find God? for Jesus is obviously not in every one of us humans.

You also said that satan was no more after the babtism of Jesus; but he went in judas just before Jesus was crucified?
And satan also tried to get to Peter; as jesus said?

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2012,10:01)

Colter. You mentioned dead words; you obviously has not grasp who Jesus really is. He is the WORD OF GOD,and the Holy bible is the word of God. jesus defeated satan in the desert by quoting words written in the Bible. Do you consider the ub. a holy book? does it say ''THE HOLY UB? You have also not answered my question: do we simply have to meditate to find God? for Jesus is obviously not in every one of us humans. You also said that satan was no more after the babtism of Jesus; but he went in judas just before Jesus was crucified? And satan also tried to get to Peter; as jesus said? wakeup.

No, you are corrupting my words. The books of the New Testament say that the Son was the Word of God, the authors of the Bible books which are about the Word do not claim to be “the word”.

Do you understand that? They are writing about the doings of “the word” of God, they DO NOT claim that their own writings are “the word”.

“The river bed is not the river.”

I thought that I did answer your question when I said “Jesus taught us to trust the indwelling spirit of the Father; after the ascension, he is also now with us.”

God is within us, the Bible books point to this fact. We find God's guidance in sincere searching, prayer, meditation, spirit perception. For one who is spirit born you will “know the truth.”

The UB is a revelation, it does not want to be a fetish.

When Jesus said “get you behind me Satan” he was implying that Peters suggestion that Jesus not follow Gods will was of the rebellious spirit of Satan.

Judas made his own wicked choice, the author who wrote about it was simply giving an opinion that Satan entered Judas. The devil gets blamed for everything.

Colter

[Wakeup]

Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,10:25)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2012,10:01) Colter. You mentioned dead words; you obviously has not grasp who Jesus really is. He is the WORD OF GOD,and the Holy bible is the word of God. jesus defeated satan in the desert by quoting words written in the Bible. Do you consider the ub. a holy book? does it say ''THE HOLY UB? You have also not answered my question: do we simply have to meditate to find God? for Jesus is obviously not in every one of us humans. You also said that satan was no more after the babtism of Jesus; but he went in judas just before Jesus was crucified? And satan also tried to get to Peter; as jesus said? wakeup. No, you are corrupting my words. The books of the New Testament say that the Son was the Word of God, the authors of the Bible books which are about the Word do not claim to be “the word”. Do you understand that?  They are writing about the doings of “the word” of God, they DO NOT claim that their own writings are “the word”. “The river bed is not the river.” I thought that I did answer your question when I said “Jesus taught us to trust the indwelling spirit of the Father; after the ascension, he is also now with us.” God is within us, the Bible books point to this fact. We find God's guidance in sincere searching, prayer, meditation, spirit perception. For one who is spirit born you will “know the truth.” The UB is a revelation, it does not want to be a fetish. When Jesus said “get you behind me Satan” he was implying that Peters suggestion that Jesus not follow Gods will was of the rebellious spirit of Satan. Judas made his own wicked choice, the author who wrote about it was simply giving an opinion that Satan entered Judas. The devil gets blamed for everything. Colter

Colter.

Are you dancing with me?

You can not quote scriptures just to please your doctrine.
1.Jesus saw satan went into judas: and you are blatantly twisting and churning the scriptures to your own satisfaction.

Many are reading this,so be straight,dont be like most of them.

Regarding the word of God: The words in the Holy bible are just paper and ink; but there is life in the knowledge of the words;spiritual knowledge.Jesus also mentioned that we must eat his flesh,to have life everlasting,this is not speaking of flesh and bone; but his spiritual flesh:seek and study the words in the -HOLY-bible,for jesus is the word.(the spirit in the words).

THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT; IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT QUICKENS.

No man can come to the father but by me.
By seeking him through the bible,not some other bible,or some meditation.

Jesus quoted scripture to defeat satan;He said;''FOR IT IS WRITTEN—-. IT IS WRITTEN—-
written; as of ON sheets of paper,or in a BOOK OR SCROLL.NOT IN THE WIND.

You also mentioned spirit born: explain?
Is Jesus in all humans? Was he in hitler also? If not,than how can we find him? Where can we seek him?

SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND; SEEK WHERE? IS IT IN THE GROVES UNDER A TREE ? OR IN A CAVE SOMEWHERE?

wakeup.

[Spock]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2012,11:24)

Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,10:25) Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2012,10:01) Colter. You mentioned dead words; you obviously has not grasp who Jesus really is. He is the WORD OF GOD,and the Holy bible is the word of God. jesus defeated satan in the desert by quoting words written in the Bible. Do you consider the ub. a holy book? does it say ''THE HOLY UB? You have also not answered my question: do we simply have to meditate to find God? for Jesus is obviously not in every one of us humans. You also said that satan was no more after the babtism of Jesus; but he went in judas just before Jesus was crucified? And satan also tried to get to Peter; as jesus said? wakeup. No, you are corrupting my words. The books of the New Testament say that the Son was the Word of God, the authors of the Bible books which are about the Word do not claim to be “the word”. Do you understand that?  They are writing about the doings of “the word” of God, they DO NOT claim that their own writings are “the word”. “The river bed is not the river.” I thought that I did answer your question when I said “Jesus taught us to trust the indwelling spirit of the Father; after the ascension, he is also now with us.” God is within us, the Bible books point to this fact. We find God's guidance in sincere searching, prayer, meditation, spirit perception. For one who is spirit born you will “know the truth.” The UB is a revelation, it does not want to be a fetish. When Jesus said “get you behind me Satan” he was implying that Peters suggestion that Jesus not follow Gods will was of the rebellious spirit of Satan. Judas made his own wicked choice, the author who wrote about it was simply giving an opinion that Satan entered Judas. The devil gets blamed for everything. Colter Colter. Are you dancing with me? You can not quote scriptures just to please your doctrine. 1.Jesus saw satan went into judas: and you are blatantly twisting and churning the scriptures to your own satisfaction. Many are reading this,so be straight,dont be like most of them. Regarding the word of God: The words in the Holy bible are just paper and ink; but there is life in the knowledge of the words;spiritual knowledge.Jesus also mentioned that we must eat his flesh,to have life everlasting,this is not speaking of flesh and bone; but his spiritual flesh:seek and study the words in the -HOLY-bible,for jesus is the word.(the spirit in the words). THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT; IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT QUICKENS. No man can come to the father but by me. By seeking him through the bible,not some other bible,or some meditation. Jesus quoted scripture to defeat satan;He said;''FOR IT IS WRITTEN—-.  IT IS WRITTEN—- written; as of ON sheets of paper,or in a BOOK OR SCROLL.NOT IN THE WIND. You also mentioned spirit born: explain? Is Jesus in all humans? Was he in hitler also? If not,than how can we find him? Where can we seek him? SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND; SEEK WHERE? IS IT IN THE GROVES UNDER A TREE ? OR IN A CAVE SOMEWHERE? wakeup.

* Can you quote Jesus saying that he saw Satan go into Judas?

* Jesus taught to have a personal relationship with God……he did not say to have a relationship with the New Testament Bible that will be written 50 years after I leave.

* I do agree that the words of the Bible books can be inspirational and to the extent that Jesus words were preserved then we can be lead to the truth by them.

(1656.1) 147:7.3 Then the Master proceeded to warn his hearers against entertaining the notion that all olden teaching should be replaced entirely by new doctrines. Said Jesus: “That which is old and also true must abide. Likewise, that which is new but false must be rejected. But that which is new and also true, have the faith and courage to accept. Remember it is written: ‘Forsake not an old friend, for the new is not comparable to him. As new wine, so is a new friend; if it becomes old, you shall drink it with gladness.’”

The spirit of God is in all spirit born people. Here, I will use the Bible if your heart is like a stone when it comes to my words: Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

Jesus quoted those positive parts of the scripture records that he thought true, sometimes he omitted the negative portion. But that doesn't mean that Jesus thought God wrote them, he knew the OT scriptures were imperfect but that doesn't mean they weren't helpful.

The Father and Jesus are present in all spirit born believers. If Hitler ever knew God he surely disregarded any leading of the spirit.

From your frustration I can glean that you believe that God can only be found in the Bible, that's not what Jesus taught.

Colter

[Wakeup]

Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,12:15)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2012,11:24) Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,10:25) Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2012,10:01) Colter. You mentioned dead words; you obviously has not grasp who Jesus really is. He is the WORD OF GOD,and the Holy bible is the word of God. jesus defeated satan in the desert by quoting words written in the Bible. Do you consider the ub. a holy book? does it say ''THE HOLY UB? You have also not answered my question: do we simply have to meditate to find God? for Jesus is obviously not in every one of us humans. You also said that satan was no more after the babtism of Jesus; but he went in judas just before Jesus was crucified? And satan also tried to get to Peter; as jesus said? wakeup. No, you are corrupting my words. The books of the New Testament say that the Son was the Word of God, the authors of the Bible books which are about the Word do not claim to be “the word”. Do you understand that?  They are writing about the doings of “the word” of God, they DO NOT claim that their own writings are “the word”. “The river bed is not the river.” I thought that I did answer your question when I said “Jesus taught us to trust the indwelling spirit of the Father; after the ascension, he is also now with us.” God is within us, the Bible books point to this fact. We find God's guidance in sincere searching, prayer, meditation, spirit perception. For one who is spirit born you will “know the truth.” The UB is a revelation, it does not want to be a fetish. When Jesus said “get you behind me Satan” he was implying that Peters suggestion that Jesus not follow Gods will was of the rebellious spirit of Satan. Judas made his own wicked choice, the author who wrote about it was simply giving an opinion that Satan entered Judas. The devil gets blamed for everything. Colter Colter. Are you dancing with me? You can not quote scriptures just to please your doctrine. 1.Jesus saw satan went into judas: and you are blatantly twisting and churning the scriptures to your own satisfaction. Many are reading this,so be straight,dont be like most of them. Regarding the word of God: The words in the Holy bible are just paper and ink; but there is life in the knowledge of the words;spiritual knowledge.Jesus also mentioned that we must eat his flesh,to have life everlasting,this is not speaking of flesh and bone; but his spiritual flesh:seek and study the words in the -HOLY-bible,for jesus is the word.(the spirit in the words). THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT; IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT QUICKENS. No man can come to the father but by me. By seeking him through the bible,not some other bible,or some meditation. Jesus quoted scripture to defeat satan;He said;''FOR IT IS WRITTEN—-.  IT IS WRITTEN—- written; as of ON sheets of paper,or in a BOOK OR SCROLL.NOT IN THE WIND. You also mentioned spirit born: explain? Is Jesus in all humans? Was he in hitler also? If not,than how can we find him? Where can we seek him? SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND; SEEK WHERE? IS IT IN THE GROVES UNDER A TREE ? OR IN A CAVE SOMEWHERE? wakeup. *  Can you quote Jesus saying that he saw Satan go into Judas? *  Jesus taught to have a personal relationship with God……he did not say to have a relationship with the New Testament Bible that will be written 50 years after I leave. *  I do agree that the words of the Bible books can be inspirational and to the extent that Jesus words were preserved then we can be lead to the truth by them. (1656.1) 147:7.3 Then the Master proceeded to warn his hearers against entertaining the notion that all olden teaching should be replaced entirely by new doctrines. Said Jesus: “That which is old and also true must abide. Likewise, that which is new but false must be rejected. But that which is new and also true, have the faith and courage to accept. Remember it is written: ‘Forsake not an old friend, for the new is not comparable to him. As new wine, so is a new friend; if it becomes old, you shall drink it with gladness.’” The spirit of God is in all spirit born people. Here, I will use the Bible if your heart is like a stone when it comes to my words:  Ezekiel 36:27  And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Jesus quoted those positive parts of the scripture records that he thought true, sometimes he omitted the negative portion. But that doesn't mean that Jesus thought God wrote them, he knew the OT scriptures were imperfect but that doesn't mean they weren't helpful. The Father and Jesus are present in all spirit born believers. If Hitler ever knew God he surely disregarded any leading of the spirit. From your frustration I can glean that you believe that God can only be found in the Bible, that's not what Jesus taught. Colter

Colter.

Luke 22:31. And the Lord said, Simon ,Simon,behold(watch), satan had desired to have you,that –HE– may sift you as wheat:
To YOU, this is not that satan;for that satan is no more,this is another satan: the satan inside us,we all have satans inside us.

John12:31. Now is the JUDGEMENT OF THIS WORLD.
NOW SHALL THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD BE CAST OUT.
But hang on a minute; I thought he(satan) was no more?
This is just symbolical; no problem.

Mat.25:41. —everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Now its getting more confusing,I thought the devil is dead?
And his angels: are they also dead?
I think I know the answer. the bible has been corrupted,by men.The ub. is pure and can be trusted.

satan did not enter into judas as the scripture states;its not true. but this is true: that judas made his own wicked choice.
it can not be satan for he is dead.

So who will be let loose for after a 1000yrs? Its all history,satan was loosed,then he was destroyed soon after the baptism of Jesus.

John12:31. Now is the judgement of this world: now shall the PRINCE of this world be cast out.(cast out from where)?to where?
I THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD?
This is just symbolically speaking,satan is not literally cast out.
says who? says the ub. so it must be true.? it is the only truth.

My question to Colter:

If satan is no more, than death has been conquered: but why are we still dying?
I will answer that for you:here it is.

That will come; as simple as that: 2000yrs of people dying is not realy long in Gods eyes.

Jesus is indeed the word of God ,but the Holy bible? are just words about the word of God,written by men of corruption.

We dont have to seek anything;just wait for God to give us knowlege,and in the meantime,study the ub.
That will give you all the knowledge.

So put away your bibles,be at ease; satan is dead.
some satan worshippers are worshipping a satan that is dead.
We
must stop blaming everything on satan,it is us that is to blame,for following our evil thoughts.

What about this satan apearing as an angel of light?
No problem,this did happen before he was dead.

But it is telling us to be aware?
yes,be aware of your evil thoughts,it sometimes appear as an angel of light.

wakeup.

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