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PAPER 1:0.1 – THE UNIVERSAL FATHER
By the Sons of God were the universes made.Holy Bible
JOHN 1: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.No mention of the sons of God being involved in the creation of the universe. All things, includes the universe. The sons of God (angels) are a creation, not creators, otherwise they would be gods.
Contradiction No. 1 – warning sign
“Plural manifestation”The Father is manifest in his Sons, to see the creator Sons is to see the Father. It's spiritual and non understandable by the time and space bound finite minds of mortal man. It becomes then a matter of faith.
John tried, in a poetic way, to explain it in the opening chapter of his book.
Colter
July 12, 2012 at 11:56 am#305693journey42ParticipantQuote (Colter @ July 12 2012,21:49) The so called Jewish religious authorities used the man made scriptures to reject Jesus, they still do. They were moral cowards and hid behind the man made law to withstand the spiritual teachings of Jesus, to reject the revelation of the Father to mankind in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. The religions of authority stunt the growth of their followers by making their respective scriptures into Gods writing, therefore they cannot learn anything new.
Besides, all the various groups who claim the Bible to have been written by God disagree on what the Bible book collection says. In fact there were OTHER books considered inspired up until 300 AD but the Roaman church uninspired them.
Colter
Hi ColterYes I admit there are some books missing. Like the book of Enoch for example. But we have to test the books. If they contradict the holy scriptures then they don't belong.
God is in control don't forget. It's his word in print, and he intended for those scriptures to reach the world, without those scriptures we would not find salvation, for it would be just word of mouth like a fable and no actual source for reproof, correction & edification, etc.If he didn't want those other books included then it's for a reason. It must of been just for the Jews back then and not us.
We have to trust God on this one. He's in charge.July 12, 2012 at 12:03 pm#305694journey42ParticipantQuote (Colter @ July 12 2012,22:49) Quote (journey42 @ July 12 2012,21:27) Quote (journey42 @ July 12 2012,21:04)
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PAPER 1:0.1 – THE UNIVERSAL FATHER
By the Sons of God were the universes made.Holy Bible
JOHN 1: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.No mention of the sons of God being involved in the creation of the universe. All things, includes the universe. The sons of God (angels) are a creation, not creators, otherwise they would be gods.
Contradiction No. 1 – warning sign
“Plural manifestation”The Father is manifest in his Sons, to see the creator Sons is to see the Father. It's spiritual and non understandable by the time and space bound finite minds of mortal man. It becomes then a matter of faith.
John tried, in a poetic way, to explain it in the opening chapter of his book.
Colter
Hi ColterThe Father is manifest in his Son, Jesus. For Jesus is the express image of his Father. No one else can claim this. We can imitate Christ, who imitates his father, but we cannot prove the Father is in us to the world, they think we're nuts. Our belief in obeying him and trusting him is not proof of God unfortunately, but proof of our faith.
but proof will come…shortly, and not thousands of years away, but soon Colter. We are at the black horse stage now. The pale horse is coming very soon,
and when he does we know exactly when Christ will come. we can start counting then, but not till then. For the rider of the pale horse will only continue for 7 years.July 12, 2012 at 12:03 pm#305695SpockParticipantQuote (journey42 @ July 12 2012,22:34) Urantia Book
– SPIRITUAL VALUE OF THE PERSONALITY CONCEPT
1:7.9 Presented by a Divine Counselor, a member of a group of celestial personalities assigned by the Ancients of Days on Uversa, the headquarters of the seventh superuniverse, to supervise those portions of this forthcoming revelation which have to do with affairs beyond the borders of the local universe of Nebadon. I am commissioned to sponsor those papers portraying the nature and attributes of God because I represent the highest source of information available for such a purpose on any inhabited world. I have served as a Divine Counselor in all seven of the superuniverses and have long resided at the Paradise center of all things. Many times have I enjoyed the supreme pleasure of a sojourn in the immediate personal presence of the Universal Father. I portray the reality and truth of the Father's nature and attributes with unchallengeable authority; I know whereof I speak.This authority is challengeable. Who is speaking?
Christ always let us know when he was speaking, for he has the authority.
God never speaks about life on other universes. He has never mentioned it once. Earth alone is too complicated to understand, but now we have to understand these other galaxies?This is all leading up to aliens, I can see it. Part of the great delusion.
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2:1.7 And all this necessitates such arrangements for contact and communication with his manifold creatures as have been ordained, first, in the personalities of the Paradise Sons of God, who, although perfect in divinity, also often partake of the nature of the very flesh and blood of the planetary races, becoming one of you and one with you; thus, as it were, God becomes man, as occurred in the bestowal of Michael, who was called interchangeably the Son of God and the Son of Man.Where does it say Michael was called the son of God and the son of man?
Michael is an archangel. He serves the Lord. Michael was the angel in charge of kicking Satan out of heaven.
Michael is given high authority and position as an angel.Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
If Michael were Jesus, he would be the chief prince, not one of them.
Daniel 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
If Michael is one of the chief princes
and Persia has a prince
then this shows that every nation has a prince (angel) over them and the Prince of Persia is an evil angelDaniel 10:20 Then said he, knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of persia: and when I am gone forth, lo the prince of Grecia shall come.
These are Satan's princes (angels)
Israel's prince is Michael, an angel serving the Lord.
This shows that God is in control, and restrains the kingdoms from conquering, until the timing is according to God's timing, not theirs.Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Jesus comes with all his angels. Michael is the chief of them, like a captain. He takes his orders from Christ. The chief angel of Israel. The great war will be in Israel.
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Here it is revealed. Michael is an Archangel. Proof.
Not called the Son of God, or the Son of man, for the NT only refers to Jesus as the Son of God, and the son of man.
Michael didn't even dare accuse Satan, but said the Lord rebuke thee. Jesus would of rebuked him straight out of his own authority, if this were he, but he wasn't born yet, as he was still the Word of God, not yet made flesh.Contradictions. And I havn't even barely started.
also look at the speech. This is not the same lingo as God speaking. God's speech is unique. No other talks like him, nor can even imitate him. Dead give away.
Had you been a Jew during the times of Christ you would have rejected him on the same legalistic grounds by quoting OT scripture to show why Jesus was an imposter. You are using authoritarian, institutional legalisms instead of trying to here the voice of the shepherd.Jesus nails it in this sermon:
The Second Discourse on Religion
(1730.5) 155:6.1 And so, while they paused in the shade of the hillside, Jesus continued to teach them regarding the religion of the spirit, in substance saying:
(1730.6) 155:6.2 You have come out from among those of your fellows who choose to remain satisfied with a religion of mind, who crave security and prefer conformity. You have elected to exchange your feelings of authoritative certainty for the assurances of the spirit of adventurous and progressive faith. You have dared to protest against the grueling bondage of institutional religion and to reject the authority of the traditions of record which are now regarded as the word of God. Our Father did indeed speak through Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Amos, and Hosea, but he did not cease to minister words of truth to the world when these prophets of old made an end of their utterances. My Father is no respecter of races or generations in that the word of truth is vouchsafed one age and withheld from another. Commit not the folly of calling that divine which is wholly human, and fail not to discern the words of truth which come not through the traditional oracles of supposed inspiration.
(1731.1) 155:6.3 I have called upon you to be born again, to be born of the spirit. I have called you out of the darkness of authority and the lethargy of tradition into the transcendent light of the realization of the possibility of making for yourselves the greatest discovery possible for the human soul to make — the supernal experience of finding God for yourself, in yourself, and of yourself, and of doing all this as a fact in your own personal experience. And so may you pass from death to life, from the authority of tradition to the experience of knowing God; thus will you pass from darkness to light, from a racial faith inherited to a personal faith achieved by actual experience; and thereby will you progress from a theology of mind handed down by your ancestors to a true religion of spirit which shall be built up in your souls as an eternal endowment.
(1731.2) 155:6.4 Your religion shall change from the mere intellectual belief in traditional authority to the actual experience of that living faith which is able to grasp the reality of God and all that relates to the divine spirit of the Father. The religion of the mind ties you hopelessly to the past; the religion of the spirit consists in progressive revelation and ever beckons you on toward higher and holier achievements in spiritual
ideals and eternal realities.(1731.3) 155:6.5 While the religion of authority may impart a present feeling of settled security, you pay for such a transient satisfaction the price of the loss of your spiritual freedom and religious liberty. My Father does not require of you as the price of entering the kingdom of heaven that you should force yourself to subscribe to a belief in things which are spiritually repugnant, unholy, and untruthful. It is not required of you that your own sense of mercy, justice, and truth should be outraged by submission to an outworn system of religious forms and ceremonies. The religion of the spirit leaves you forever free to follow the truth wherever the leadings of the spirit may take you. And who can judge — perhaps this spirit may have something to impart to this generation which other generations have refused to hear?
(1731.4) 155:6.6 Shame on those false religious teachers who would drag hungry souls back into the dim and distant past and there leave them! And so are these unfortunate persons doomed to become frightened by every new discovery, while they are discomfited by every new revelation of truth. The prophet who said, “He will be kept in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on God,” was not a mere intellectual believer in authoritative theology. This truth-knowing human had discovered God; he was not merely talking about God.
(1731.5) 155:6.7 I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls?
(1732.1) 155:6.8 Every race of mankind has its own mental outlook upon human existence; therefore must the religion of the mind ever run true to these various racial viewpoints. Never can the religions of authority come to unification. Human unity and mortal brotherhood can be achieved only by and through the superendowment of the religion of the spirit. Racial minds may differ, but all mankind is indwelt by the same divine and eternal spirit. The hope of human brotherhood can only be realized when, and as, the divergent mind religions of authority become impregnated with, and overshadowed by, the unifying and ennobling religion of the spirit — the religion of personal spiritual experience.
(1732.2) 155:6.9 The religions of authority can only divide men and set them in conscientious array against each other; the religion of the spirit will progressively draw men together and cause them to become understandingly sympathetic with one another. The religions of authority require of men uniformity in belief, but this is impossible of realization in the present state of the world. The religion of the spirit requires only unity of experience — uniformity of destiny — making full allowance for diversity of belief. The religion of the spirit requires only uniformity of insight, not uniformity of viewpoint and outlook. The religion of the spirit does not demand uniformity of intellectual views, only unity of spirit feeling. The religions of authority crystallize into lifeless creeds; the religion of the spirit grows into the increasing joy and liberty of ennobling deeds of loving service and merciful ministration.
(1732.3) 155:6.10 But watch, lest any of you look with disdain upon the children of Abraham because they have fallen on these evil days of traditional barrenness. Our forefathers gave themselves up to the persistent and passionate search for God, and they found him as no other whole race of men have ever known him since the times of Adam, who knew much of this as he was himself a Son of God. My Father has not failed to mark the long and untiring struggle of Israel, ever since the days of Moses, to find God and to know God. For weary generations the Jews have not ceased to toil, sweat, groan, travail, and endure the sufferings and experience the sorrows of a misunderstood and despised people, all in order that they might come a little nearer the discovery of the truth about God. And, notwithstanding all the failures and falterings of Israel, our fathers progressively, from Moses to the times of Amos and Hosea, did reveal increasingly to the whole world an ever clearer and more truthful picture of the eternal God. And so was the way prepared for the still greater revelation of the Father which you have been called to share.
(1732.4) 155:6.11 Never forget there is only one adventure which is more satisfying and thrilling than the attempt to discover the will of the living God, and that is the supreme experience of honestly trying to do that divine will. And fail not to remember that the will of God can be done in any earthly occupation. Some callings are not holy and others secular. All things are sacred in the lives of those who are spirit led; that is, subordinated to truth, ennobled by love, dominated by mercy, and restrained by fairness — justice. The spirit which my Father and I shall send into the world is not only the Spirit of Truth but also the spirit of idealistic beauty.
(1732.5) 155:6.12 You must cease to seek for the word of God only on the pages of the olden records of theologic authority. Those who are born of the spirit of God shall henceforth discern the word of God regardless of whence it appears to take origin. Divine truth must not be discounted because the channel of its bestowal is apparently human. Many of your brethren have minds which accept the theory of God while they spiritually fail to realize the presence of God. And that is just the reason why I have so often taught you that the kingdom of heaven can best be realized by acquiring the spiritual attitude of a sincere child. It is not the mental immaturity of the child that I commend to you but rather the spiritual simplicity of such an easy-believing and fully-trusting little one. It is not so important that you should know about the fact of God as that you should increasingly grow in the ability to feel the presence of God.
(1733.1) 155:6.13 When you once begin to find God in your soul, presently you will begin to discover him in other men’s souls and eventually in all the creatures and creations of a mighty universe. But what chance does the Father have to appear as a God of supreme loyalties and divine ideals in the souls of men who give little or no time to the thoughtful contemplation of such eternal realities? While the mind is not the seat of the spiritual nature, it is indeed the gateway thereto.
(1733.2) 155:6.14 But do not make the mistake of trying to prove to other men that you have found God; you cannot consciously produce such valid proof, albeit there are two positive and powerful demonstrations of the fact that you are God-knowing, and they are:
(1733.3) 155:6.15 1. The fruits of the spirit of God showing forth in your daily routine life.
(1733.4) 155:6.16 2. The fact that your entire life plan furnishes positive proof that you have unreservedly risked everything you are and have on the adventure of survival after death in the pursuit of the hope of finding the God of eternity, whose presence you have foretasted in time.
(1733.5) 155:6.17 Now, mistake not, my Father will ever respond to the faintest flicker of faith. He takes note of the physical and superstitious emotions of the primitive man. And with those honest but fearful souls whose faith is so weak that it amounts to little more than an intellectual conformity to a passive attitude of assent to religions of authority, the Father is ever alert to honor and foster even all such feeble attempts to reach out for him. But you who have been called out of darkness into the light are expected to believe with a whole heart; your faith shall dominate the combined attitudes of body, mind, and spirit.
(1733.6) 155:6.18 You are my apostles, and to you religion shall not beco
me a theologic shelter to which you may flee in fear of facing the rugged realities of spiritual progress and idealistic adventure; but rather shall your religion become the fact of real experience which testifies that God has found you, idealized, ennobled, and spiritualized you, and that you have enlisted in the eternal adventure of finding the God who has thus found and sonshipped you.(1733.7) 155:6.19 And when Jesus had finished speaking, he beckoned to Andrew and, pointing to the west toward Phoenicia, said: “Let us be on our way.”
Colter
July 12, 2012 at 12:11 pm#305696journey42ParticipantQuote (Colter @ July 12 2012,23:03) Had you been a Jew during the times of Christ you would have rejected him on the same legalistic grounds by quoting OT scripture to show why Jesus was an imposter. You are using authoritarian, institutional legalisms instead of trying to here the voice of the shepherd.
I'm not so sure Colter.
It's God that draws us to him and it doesn't matter what generation we were born in. In fact it would of been easier to believe back then, because of all the miracles Jesus performed, and hype by the people.It's much more of a challenge to believe in these last days than there ever has been because the world has changed so much, and so much sin is tolerated and practised. The world is far from God, and they have all these religions to choose from which complicates the matter further.
God's plan is to create spiritual children for himself. He has chosen from every generation for this is his purpose.
I'm enjoying our chat by the way.
July 12, 2012 at 12:11 pm#305697SpockParticipantQuote (journey42 @ July 12 2012,22:56) Quote (Colter @ July 12 2012,21:49) The so called Jewish religious authorities used the man made scriptures to reject Jesus, they still do. They were moral cowards and hid behind the man made law to withstand the spiritual teachings of Jesus, to reject the revelation of the Father to mankind in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. The religions of authority stunt the growth of their followers by making their respective scriptures into Gods writing, therefore they cannot learn anything new.
Besides, all the various groups who claim the Bible to have been written by God disagree on what the Bible book collection says. In fact there were OTHER books considered inspired up until 300 AD but the Roaman church uninspired them.
Colter
Hi ColterYes I admit there are some books missing. Like the book of Enoch for example. But we have to test the books. If they contradict the holy scriptures then they don't belong.
God is in control don't forget. It's his word in print, and he intended for those scriptures to reach the world, without those scriptures we would not find salvation, for it would be just word of mouth like a fable and no actual source for reproof, correction & edification, etc.If he didn't want those other books included then it's for a reason. It must of been just for the Jews back then and not us.
We have to trust God on this one. He's in charge.
The Church has used the authority of the man made scripture to control its members. You are simply trying to do to me what has been done to you, but I do not regard the scripture as having been written by God, men wrote the Bible so it is therefore fallible and your attempt to manipulate me is ineffective.This is what Jesus said about the scripture:
. The Talk with Nathaniel
(1767.3) 159:4.1 And then went Jesus over to Abila, where Nathaniel and his associates labored. Nathaniel was much bothered by some of Jesus’ pronouncements which seemed to detract from the authority of the recognized Hebrew scriptures. Accordingly, on this night, after the usual period of questions and answers, Nathaniel took Jesus away from the others and asked: “Master, could you trust me to know the truth about the Scriptures? I observe that you teach us only a portion of the sacred writings — the best as I view it — and I infer that you reject the teachings of the rabbis to the effect that the words of the law are the very words of God, having been with God in heaven even before the times of Abraham and Moses. What is the truth about the Scriptures?” When Jesus heard the question of his bewildered apostle, he answered:
(1767.4) 159:4.2 “Nathaniel, you have rightly judged; I do not regard the Scriptures as do the rabbis. I will talk with you about this matter on condition that you do not relate these things to your brethren, who are not all prepared to receive this teaching. The words of the law of Moses and the teachings of the Scriptures were not in existence before Abraham. Only in recent times have the Scriptures been gathered together as we now have them. While they contain the best of the higher thoughts and longings of the Jewish people, they also contain much that is far from being representative of the character and teachings of the Father in heaven; wherefore must I choose from among the better teachings those truths which are to be gleaned for the gospel of the kingdom.
(1767.5) 159:4.3 “These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.
(1767.6) 159:4.4 “Many of these books were not written by the persons whose names they bear, but that in no way detracts from the value of the truths which they contain. If the story of Jonah should not be a fact, even if Jonah had never lived, still would the profound truth of this narrative, the love of God for Nineveh and the so-called heathen, be none the less precious in the eyes of all those who love their fellow men. The Scriptures are sacred because they present the thoughts and acts of men who were searching for God, and who in these writings left on record their highest concepts of righteousness, truth, and holiness. The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.
(1768.1) 159:4.5 “Nathaniel, never permit yourself for one moment to believe the Scripture records which tell you that the God of love directed your forefathers to go forth in battle to slay all their enemies — men, women, and children. Such records are the words of men, not very holy men, and they are not the word of God. The Scriptures always have, and always will, reflect the intellectual, moral, and spiritual status of those who create them. Have you not noted that the concepts of Yahweh grow in beauty and glory as the prophets make their records from Samuel to Isaiah? And you should remember that the Scriptures are intended for religious instruction and spiritual guidance. They are not the works of either historians or philosophers.
(1768.2) 159:4.6 “The thing most deplorable is not merely this erroneous idea of the absolute perfection of the Scripture record and the infallibility of its teachings, but rather the confusing misinterpretation of these sacred writings by the tradition-enslaved scribes and Pharisees at Jerusalem. And now will they employ both the doctrine of the inspiration of the Scriptures and their misinterpretations thereof in their determined effort to withstand these newer teachings of the gospel of the kingdom. Nathaniel, never forget, the Father does not limit the revelation of truth to any one generation or to any one people. Many earnest seekers after the truth have been, and will continue to be, confused and disheartened by these doctrines of the perfection of the Scriptures.
(1768.3) 159:4.7 “The authority of truth is the very spirit that indwells its living manifestations, and not the dead words of the less illuminated and supposedly inspired men of another generation. And even if these holy men of old lived inspired and spirit-filled lives, that does not mean that their words were similarly spiritually inspired. Today we make no record of the teachings of this gospel of the kingdom lest, when I have gone, you speedily become divided up into sundry groups of truth contenders as a result of the diversity of your interpretation of my teachings. For this generation it is best that we live these truths while we shun the making of records.
(1768.4) 159:4.8 “Mark you well my words, Nathaniel, nothing which human nature has touched can be regarded as infallible. Through the mind of man divine truth may indeed shine forth, but always of relative purity and partial divinity. The creature may crave infallibility, but only the Creators possess it.
(1768.5) 159:4.9 “But the greatest error of the t
eaching about the Scriptures is the doctrine of their being sealed books of mystery and wisdom which only the wise minds of the nation dare to interpret. The revelations of divine truth are not sealed except by human ignorance, bigotry, and narrow-minded intolerance. The light of the Scriptures is only dimmed by prejudice and darkened by superstition. A false fear of sacredness has prevented religion from being safeguarded by common sense. The fear of the authority of the sacred writings of the past effectively prevents the honest souls of today from accepting the new light of the gospel, the light which these very God-knowing men of another generation so intensely longed to see.(1769.1) 159:4.10 “But the saddest feature of all is the fact that some of the teachers of the sanctity of this traditionalism know this very truth. They more or less fully understand these limitations of Scripture, but they are moral cowards, intellectually dishonest. They know the truth regarding the sacred writings, but they prefer to withhold such disturbing facts from the people. And thus do they pervert and distort the Scriptures, making them the guide to slavish details of the daily life and an authority in things nonspiritual instead of appealing to the sacred writings as the repository of the moral wisdom, religious inspiration, and the spiritual teaching of the God-knowing men of other generations.”
(1769.2) 159:4.11 Nathaniel was enlightened, and shocked, by the Master’s pronouncement. He long pondered this talk in the depths of his soul, but he told no man concerning this conference until after Jesus’ ascension; and even then he feared to impart the full story of the Master’s instruction. UB
Colter
July 12, 2012 at 12:22 pm#305698SpockParticipantQuote (journey42 @ July 12 2012,23:11) Quote (Colter @ July 12 2012,23:03) Had you been a Jew during the times of Christ you would have rejected him on the same legalistic grounds by quoting OT scripture to show why Jesus was an imposter. You are using authoritarian, institutional legalisms instead of trying to here the voice of the shepherd.
I'm not so sure Colter.
It's God that draws us to him and it doesn't matter what generation we were born in. In fact it would of been easier to believe back then, because of all the miracles Jesus performed, and hype by the people.It's much more of a challenge to believe in these last days than there ever has been because the world has changed so much, and so much sin is tolerated and practised. The world is far from God, and they have all these religions to choose from which complicates the matter further.
God's plan is to create spiritual children for himself. He has chosen from every generation for this is his purpose.
I'm enjoying our chat by the way.
Jesus taught that man has a choice, if it's all up to God to “draws us to him and it doesn't matter what generation we were born in” then why did Jesus condemn the religious authorities in the “woes” ? Your theology doesn’t make sense, all throughout Jesus' teaching he presented salvation via repentance and spiritual rebirth as a choice of mans inmost soul? Everyone is called; it's just that few choose.Anyway, had you lived back in the day with only the OT scriptures and been as legalistically devoted to the same pride of tradition then you are demonstrating that you would have rejected Jesus because after all, man is to stupid to think for himself, only the perfect church authorities and their writings which they ascribe to God are trust worthy. I mean, you wouldn't want people to go off following a carpenter from Nazareth who say he's Gods Son?……..and the miracles were even meaningless, they said Satan did the miracles just like manipulative religious nut today claim that anything new is from Satan.
Colter
July 12, 2012 at 12:39 pm#305699journey42ParticipantColter,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote (1731.5) 155:6.7 I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls? 1 Corinthians 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
Not all are called to be prophets. There are diversities of gifts.
This contradicts.Acts 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
Acts 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Romans 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Colter, it is contradicting scripture.
July 12, 2012 at 1:35 pm#305703journey42ParticipantColter,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote The Church has used the authority of the man made scripture to control its members. You are simply trying to do to me what has been done to you, but I do not regard the scripture as having been written by God, men wrote the Bible so it is therefore fallible and your attempt to manipulate me is ineffective. Forget about the Church for a moment. Nobody could have the intelligence to write those scriptures, for them to harmonise, with all the prophesies written that have been fulfilled, and are being fulfilled right now. No man could do that, and reveal all those mysteries.
The Romans found access of the scriptures. This was God's doing. The romans conquered, and forced christianity on to those nations. God orchestrated all this to happen. The name Christ was preached to the nations, but not the truth. This is not real christianity, but religion. This is the white horse in the first seal. This is how it started, the name of Christ being spread, but not in truth, with just force.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Christ's name was out there. Whereas they had not heard it before.
You would not have heard his name mentioned either if it wasn't for the Romans
The bible became available after this and now the people had access to God's own word. This is when few started seeing
contradictions between the church's teachings and the actual words of God himself. It's all part of the plan.Philippians 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.[/b]
The churches' intention was to control, but God's intention was to use them to spread his name, and the name of Christ.
I do not belong to a church, nor ever have, although i visited one when I was 19 for a short period and I found contradictions in their teachings. I never belonged nor attended any bible classes. Instead I stood up to them with my bible in my hand and left when I realised they loved their religion more than God. So my source is the bible only. I was never manipulated. I even believed in God with all my heart as a little girl with no knowledge, but just faith and complete trust, and my parents were very unchristian, so no influence there.
Why would I want to manipulate you? I am not preaching another book that came from an unknown author. I am showing you to be careful because these spirits out there are the manipulators, and if you follow them blindly, and reject the true word of God, then you will be caught up in the great delusion coming soon.
So be nice to me please, this is not a fight. No need to talk like that. You have your views, with your back up, so I'm giving mine. This is where I can tell if that spirit in you is really a christian by what comes out of your mouth.
spite=non christian.Quote Besides, all the various groups who claim the Bible to have been written by God disagree on what the Bible book collection says. In fact there were OTHER books considered inspired up until 300 AD but the Roaman church uninspired them.
Those religious groups didn't write the bible. They only had access to it. The initial church tried to hide it from the people. If it was their own writings, they would of made copies straight away to back their beliefs.
Isn't the collection of books we have so far enough? Most can't even understand what books we have, let alone additional ones.
So if there are books missing from the bible , then what about the books we have?July 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm#305705journey42ParticipantQuote Jesus taught that man has a choice, if it's all up to God to “draws us to him and it doesn't matter what generation we were born in” then why did Jesus condemn the religious authorities in the “woes” ? Your theology doesn’t make sense, all throughout Jesus' teaching he presented salvation via repentance and spiritual rebirth as a choice of mans inmost soul? Everyone is called; it's just that few choose. Jesus knew the thoughts of their heart. They were afraid of losing their positions of power. They put their status first before the truth. If they had listened to the prophets, they would of known there was one coming. John the baptist was there to remind them, that this is he who the prophets spoke of.
It's not my theology. I didn't make it up. No man can come to the Father unless the Father draws him. No one can wake up and say, I think I will worship God today. No, God will orchestrate that ones curiosity to search, then the opportunity to accept or reject lies there. Many turn away, not because they don't believe, but because there is something they don't want to give up.
But if the curiosity is so great, then God gives a little hand to open up one's eyes.
When your eyes are open you start searching for truth, and it keeps on going.
God is very selective in who he will use to fill his kingdom.
He will not take anyone who is not loyal to him. His children have to be separate. Different. Follow his ways. It's as simple as that.Quote Anyway, had you lived back in the day with only the OT scriptures and been as legalistically devoted to the same pride of tradition then you are demonstrating that you would have rejected Jesus because after all, man is to stupid to think for himself, only the perfect church authorities and their writings which they ascribe to God are trust worthy. I mean, you wouldn't want people to go off following a carpenter from Nazareth who say he's Gods Son?……..and the miracles were even meaningless, they said Satan did the miracles just like manipulative religious nut today claim that anything new is from Satan. You are confusing religion with the truth. Religion does not represent God. Men like to make out it does, but it's our individual walk.
Off course they said the miracles were from Satan. They were trying to disprove Christ for their own gain.
This is why;John 8:42 Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:47 He that is of God hearth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
You will get more understanding out of the holy scriptures, than any other book.
July 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm#305709SpockParticipantQuote (journey42 @ July 12 2012,23:39) Colter,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote (1731.5) 155:6.7 I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls? 1 Corinthians 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
Not all are called to be prophets. There are diversities of gifts.
This contradicts.Acts 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
Acts 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Romans 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Colter, it is contradicting scripture.
Jesus contradicted scripture, the problem wasn't Jesus, the problem was calling scripture divine when it was human.Jesus plainly warned not to put the new wine into the old wine skins, but the Jewish converts to the new evolving Christian religion forced Jesus into the OT prophets in places where Jesus simply was not there. They did this naturally to justify their transition from their old religion to a completely knew and different religion.
Even though Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah, he did masterfully build a theological bridge that brought people closer to his gospel teaching in the current dispensation.
Colter
July 12, 2012 at 4:17 pm#305710SpockParticipantQuote (journey42 @ July 13 2012,00:35) Colter,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote The Church has used the authority of the man made scripture to control its members. You are simply trying to do to me what has been done to you, but I do not regard the scripture as having been written by God, men wrote the Bible so it is therefore fallible and your attempt to manipulate me is ineffective. Forget about the Church for a moment. Nobody could have the intelligence to write those scriptures, for them to harmonise, with all the prophesies written that have been fulfilled, and are being fulfilled right now. No man could do that, and reveal all those mysteries.
The Romans found access of the scriptures. This was God's doing. The romans conquered, and forced christianity on to those nations. God orchestrated all this to happen. The name Christ was preached to the nations, but not the truth. This is not real christianity, but religion. This is the white horse in the first seal. This is how it started, the name of Christ being spread, but not in truth, with just force.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Christ's name was out there. Whereas they had not heard it before.
You would not have heard his name mentioned either if it wasn't for the Romans
The bible became available after this and now the people had access to God's own word. This is when few started seeing
contradictions between the church's teachings and the actual words of God himself. It's all part of the plan.Philippians 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.[/b]
The churches' intention was to control, but God's intention was to use them to spread his name, and the name of Christ.
I do not belong to a church, nor ever have, although i visited one when I was 19 for a short period and I found contradictions in their teachings. I never belonged nor attended any bible classes. Instead I stood up to them with my bible in my hand and left when I realised they loved their religion more than God. So my source is the bible only. I was never manipulated. I even believed in God with all my heart as a little girl with no knowledge, but just faith and complete trust, and my parents were very unchristian, so no influence there.
Why would I want to manipulate you? I am not preaching another book that came from an unknown author. I am showing you to be careful because these spirits out there are the manipulators, and if you follow them blindly, and reject the true word of God, then you will be caught up in the great delusion coming soon.
So be nice to me please, this is not a fight. No need to talk like that. You have your views, with your back up, so I'm giving mine. This is where I can tell if that spirit in you is really a christian by what comes out of your mouth.
spite=non christian.Quote Besides, all the various groups who claim the Bible to have been written by God disagree on what the Bible book collection says. In fact there were OTHER books considered inspired up until 300 AD but the Roaman church uninspired them.
Those religious groups didn't write the bible. They only had access to it. The initial church tried to hide it from the people. If it was their own writings, they would of made copies straight away to back their beliefs.
Isn't the collection of books we have so far enough? Most can't even understand what books we have, let alone additional ones.
So if there are books missing from the bible , then what about the books we have?
As previously pointed out “The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.”I see that you have made a fetish, a golden calf of the Bible so I can't expect an honest assessment of it from you.
I'm not a Christian, I'm a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth. Peter and Paul’s new gospel ABOUT Jesus was adopted by the Pagan world at precisely the same time that the Christian religion was evolving, so it reflects the Pagan theology of human sacrifice, virgin birth etc. Paul was Pagan in his childhood; he was a Roman from Tarsus, a center of Pagan thought. Paul, being the first great charismatic preacher, heavily influenced the NT books and the new Christian religion.
I'm not a member of a church; I belong to the “kingdom of heaven” and faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus.
Colter
July 12, 2012 at 9:23 pm#305718Ed JParticipantQuote (Colter @ July 13 2012,03:17)
I belong to the “kingdom of heaven” and faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus.Colter
Hi Colter,“faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus.” – that is
what Bodhitharta (the forums muslim) claims he does as well.
But he submits to the quran and you submit to the Urantia Book.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgJuly 12, 2012 at 10:39 pm#305720journey42ParticipantQuote (Colter @ July 13 2012,03:06) Quote (journey42 @ July 12 2012,23:39) Quote (Colter @ July 12 2012,23:03) Quote (1731.5) 155:6.7 I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls? 1 Corinthians 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
Not all are called to be prophets. There are diversities of gifts.
This contradicts.Acts 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
Acts 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Romans 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Colter, it is contradicting scripture.
Jesus plainly warned not to put the new wine into the old wine skins, but the Jewish converts to the new evolving Christian religion forced Jesus into the OT prophets in places where Jesus simply was not there. They did this naturally to justify their transition from their old religion to a completely knew and different religion.
Even though Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah, he did masterfully build a theological bridge that brought people closer to his gospel teaching in the current dispensation.
Colter
Quote Jesus contradicted scripture, the problem wasn't Jesus, the problem was calling scripture divine when it was human. Jesus never contradicted scripture or his Fathers will , ever. You have accepted a different gospel, a different Jesus. If this book you are reading tells you that Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah, then you have been duped.
Tell me Colter, have you ever read the holy bible? There is so much in there.
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel.
Galatians 1:7 Which is not another: but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
This is our warning. Your new gospel came out in the 1940's from the USA of all places, by an unknown author. We know who we worship and we hear the words of our shepherd, you do not know who you worship, nor who wrote your passages. But we know who wrote your book.July 12, 2012 at 11:13 pm#305722journey42ParticipantQuote (Colter @ July 13 2012,03:17) As previously pointed out “The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.” I see that you have made a fetish, a golden calf of the Bible so I can't expect an honest assessment of it from you.
I'm not a Christian, I'm a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth. Peter and Paul’s new gospel ABOUT Jesus was adopted by the Pagan world at precisely the same time that the Christian religion was evolving, so it reflects the Pagan theology of human sacrifice, virgin birth etc. Paul was Pagan in his childhood; he was a Roman from Tarsus, a center of Pagan thought. Paul, being the first great charismatic preacher, heavily influenced the NT books and the new Christian religion.
I'm not a member of a church; I belong to the “kingdom of heaven” and faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus.
Colter
This loving Father that you have come to know, also holds wrath and vengeance in store for the false shepherds, for he will destroy their pastures (meeting places) and give them over to delusion because they loved not the truth and worshiped the lie.This book is putting you at ease telling you not to be afraid. But God says we must fear him, for it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God…. for the prophesies say that when the time is ripe, God is going to send terrible plagues on all those who took pleasure in unrighteousness and who perverted the truth.
You are going to be caught up in the big delusion that is coming, this is what is means to be naked. No covering, no truth. In darkness, not knowing what is to come and why.
You are correct, you are not a christian. Anyone that follows Christ is a Christian, and the Christ we know, the true Christ is revealed in the holy scriptures, and no other book.
Peter and Paul's doctrine was rejected. Paul was murdered, and Peter suffered persecutions. This is not what you call being accepted. Paul was a Jew and persecuted christians, but Jesus appeared to him, and this is his testimony, that he was wrong, and received the truth. Did you not understand this? Paul was sent to the gentiles. He was a roman, but of Jewish bloodline.
The rest of the apostles were murdered, as they followed in the steps of our Lord Jesus Christ, and did not love their lives till the end, but died for the love of the truth which comes from Christ, our saviour.
Christ is the only one that can reveal the light.
If you preach another gospel, you will be cursed. I would be very very afraid, and not at ease.
It is never too late to come to the truth Colter. The door is still open, but there is a cut off time, and it will be soon, and the door of the ark will be shut. Many will come banging on it, saying, Lord, Lord, let us in, but the Lord will say, go away, for I never knew you. For he will only let his own flock in, and not another flock.
Why don't you give the holy scriptures a chance. Maybe it is your time for God to finally draw you to him with real truth. Let him convict you, and lead you to repentance for the saving of your soul and for a great testimony.
July 12, 2012 at 11:54 pm#305730SpockParticipantQuote (journey42 @ July 13 2012,09:39) Quote (Colter @ July 13 2012,03:06) Quote (journey42 @ July 12 2012,23:39) Quote (Colter @ July 12 2012,23:03) Quote (1731.5) 155:6.7 I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls? 1 Corinthians 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
Not all are called to be prophets. There are diversities of gifts.
This contradicts.Acts 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
Acts 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Romans 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Colter, it is contradicting scripture.
Jesus plainly warned not to put the new wine into the old wine skins, but the Jewish converts to the new evolving Christian religion forced Jesus into the OT prophets in places where Jesus simply was not there. They did this naturally to justify their transition from their old religion to a completely knew and different religion.
Even though Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah, he did masterfully build a theological bridge that brought people closer to his gospel teaching in the current dispensation.
Colter
Quote Jesus contradicted scripture, the problem wasn't Jesus, the problem was calling scripture divine when it was human. Jesus never contradicted scripture or his Fathers will , ever. You have accepted a different gospel, a different Jesus. If this book you are reading tells you that Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah, then you have been duped.
Tell me Colter, have you ever read the holy bible? There is so much in there.
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel.
Galatians 1:7 Which is not another: but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
This is our warning. Your new gospel came out in the 1940's from the USA of all places, by an unknown author. We know who we worship and we hear the words of our shepherd, you do not know who you worship, nor who wrote your passages. But we know who wrote your book.
Jesus was diplomatic about the man made laws of the Jews, he wasn't a reformer of Judaism so he was right to say that he wouldn't change one letter…..but he did violate the Laws of Moses mainly because the laws were old and barbaric.The Urantia Book will replace the Bible in the future because the Christians have failed to grow but instead hid there talents under a rock (added nothing), did not multiply truth and provide interest.
The Jewish concept of the Messiah was erroneous, Jesus didn't do what the Messiah was supposed to do and his kingdom isn't what the Israelites hoped it would be. That's why the Jews don't believe in Jesus. They were confused by the complete rewriting of the OT books by the elite Hebrew priest class during the Babylonian captivity. The Priestly authors edited and redacted the OT books, they converted ordinary secular history into miraculous history.
The Jewish people were mislead and confused by their leadership.
Colter
July 12, 2012 at 11:59 pm#305731SpockParticipantQuote (journey42 @ July 13 2012,10:13) Quote (Colter @ July 13 2012,03:17) As previously pointed out “The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.” I see that you have made a fetish, a golden calf of the Bible so I can't expect an honest assessment of it from you.
I'm not a Christian, I'm a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth. Peter and Paul’s new gospel ABOUT Jesus was adopted by the Pagan world at precisely the same time that the Christian religion was evolving, so it reflects the Pagan theology of human sacrifice, virgin birth etc. Paul was Pagan in his childhood; he was a Roman from Tarsus, a center of Pagan thought. Paul, being the first great charismatic preacher, heavily influenced the NT books and the new Christian religion.
I'm not a member of a church; I belong to the “kingdom of heaven” and faithfully submit to the gospel taught by Jesus.
Colter
This loving Father that you have come to know, also holds wrath and vengeance in store for the false shepherds, for he will destroy their pastures (meeting places) and give them over to delusion because they loved not the truth and worshiped the lie.This book is putting you at ease telling you not to be afraid. But God says we must fear him, for it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God…. for the prophesies say that when the time is ripe, God is going to send terrible plagues on all those who took pleasure in unrighteousness and who perverted the truth.
You are going to be caught up in the big delusion that is coming, this is what is means to be naked. No covering, no truth. In darkness, not knowing what is to come and why.
You are correct, you are not a christian. Anyone that follows Christ is a Christian, and the Christ we know, the true Christ is revealed in the holy scriptures, and no other book.
Peter and Paul's doctrine was rejected. Paul was murdered, and Peter suffered persecutions. This is not what you call being accepted. Paul was a Jew and persecuted christians, but Jesus appeared to him, and this is his testimony, that he was wrong, and received the truth. Did you not understand this? Paul was sent to the gentiles. He was a roman, but of Jewish bloodline.
The rest of the apostles were murdered, as they followed in the steps of our Lord Jesus Christ, and did not love their lives till the end, but died for the love of the truth which comes from Christ, our saviour.
Christ is the only one that can reveal the light.
If you preach another gospel, you will be cursed. I would be very very afraid, and not at ease.
It is never too late to come to the truth Colter. The door is still open, but there is a cut off time, and it will be soon, and the door of the ark will be shut. Many will come banging on it, saying, Lord, Lord, let us in, but the Lord will say, go away, for I never knew you. For he will only let his own flock in, and not another flock.
Why don't you give the holy scriptures a chance. Maybe it is your time for God to finally draw you to him with real truth. Let him convict you, and lead you to repentance for the saving of your soul and for a great testimony.
Given time man tends to create God in man's own image, that's why some men pine for a mean and vengeful God, because men's hearts are wicked, so they assume God must be as well.2:6.1 “In the physical universe we may see the divine beauty, in the intellectual world we may discern eternal truth, but the goodness of God is found only in the spiritual world of personal religious experience. In its true essence, religion is a faith-trust in the goodness of God. God could be great and absolute, somehow even intelligent and personal, in philosophy, but in religion God must also be moral; he must be good. Man might fear a great God, but he trusts and loves only a good God. This goodness of God is a part of the personality of God, and its full revelation appears only in the personal religious experience of the believing sons of God.”
Colter
July 13, 2012 at 9:11 am#305787journey42ParticipantQuote (Colter @ July 13 2012,10:54) Jesus was diplomatic about the man made laws of the Jews, he wasn't a reformer of Judaism so he was right to say that he wouldn't change one letter…..but he did violate the Laws of Moses mainly because the laws were old and barbaric. The Urantia Book will replace the Bible in the future because the Christians have failed to grow but instead hid there talents under a rock (added nothing), did not multiply truth and provide interest.
The Jewish concept of the Messiah was erroneous, Jesus didn't do what the Messiah was supposed to do and his kingdom isn't what the Israelites hoped it would be. That's why the Jews don't believe in Jesus. They were confused by the complete rewriting of the OT books by the elite Hebrew priest class during the Babylonian captivity. The Priestly authors edited and redacted the OT books, they converted ordinary secular history into miraculous history.
The Jewish people were mislead and confused by their leadership.
Colter
Hi ColterThose Laws the Jews followed were given to them by God through Moses when they were freed from Egypt. Have you not read this? They continued to follow the law, but they stumbled at it. They had already strayed, from way back.
Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of the goats.
Isaiah 1:12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with: it is iniquity, even to the solemn meeting.
Isaiah 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to hear them.
Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
You see they missed out on one very important thing, and that was they did not put God first in their hearts. This had to be manifested, and their dark hearts were revealed and exposed when Christ started his ministry.
Christ did not violate one single law in God's eyes. In the eyes of the Jews he did, because Christ healed on the sabbath. Christ is lord of the Sabbath, and he said it was ok to do good on the sabbath. He also said that the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath. This was designed so that they could have a good rest one day a week and not be overworked, nor their servants and even their animals. This was for their own good.
The laws may of been barbaric to you, but God made a nation unto himself, and these people had to be separate and not do the things that the other nations were doing. God has good reason for every law he gave. Do you know that many rebelled, and complained when they were freed from Egypt. It took them 40 years to reach their destination, and God lead them the long way there. This gave time for many to die off, and the rebellious not to enter the promised land. The younger ones inherited it.
The Urantia Book will only replace the bible to those who are feeding on strange flesh. Not for those seeking the truth.
Religions have not failed to grow, the harlots daughters are multiplying by the day, and the truth has been squashed. God said the land is desolate. No knowledge. This is true and this is the sign of the times. And yes there are only a few feeding off the truth in the last generation of mankind Do you know how many is a few?
144,000. That is all. For these ones are sealed. Not many is it? and these ones have gathered interest, but not the rest that heap up other teachers for themselves.July 13, 2012 at 9:29 am#305789journey42ParticipantGod reveals the light, and he reveals the darkness. He reveals it all and he does not hide it.
Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Many want to hear sweet things only,
but the truth is bitter sweet.
He wants us to know everything,
and whether we like it or not,
he is righteous and his judgements are just.
One bad apple contaminates the rest
and there will be a day when the rotten fruit
is removedIsaiah 30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
July 13, 2012 at 9:41 am#305791journey42ParticipantQuote (journey42 @ July 13 2012,20:29)
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