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Quote (Colter @ May 20 2013,04:06) Quote (Ed J @ May 20 2013,02:53) Hi Colter, Jealousy is a powerful emotion, one that affords those you love protection – do you agree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, I don't agree, I think Love is greater. I think jealousy is about the one who is jealous, not the focus. It's like a toxic cocktail
of fear-pride-anger-revenge-possessiveness-self doubt-low self image all mixed together.Colter
Hi Colter,Here is where you finally defined the word Jealousy,
but obviously that definition is not shared by others.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,10:25) Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,21:35) Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2013,12:46) Hi Colter, If others were to say: “YOU have a Urantia Book fetish” – what would be YOUR response to this summation?
No, because the UB does not claim to be “The Word of God.”The UB is a composite revelation composed by a number of different universe personalities.
The book makes this frank disclaimer knowing mans habit of fetish making:
(1007.5) 92:4.5 1. The Dalamatian teachings. The true concept of the First Source and Center was first promulgated on Urantia by the one hundred corporeal members of Prince Caligastia’s staff. This expanding revelation of Deity went on for more than three hundred thousand years until it was suddenly terminated by the planetary secession and the disruption of the teaching regime. Except for the work of Van, the influence of the Dalamatian revelation was practically lost to the whole world. Even the Nodites had forgotten this truth by the time of Adam’s arrival. Of all who received the teachings of the one hundred, the red men held them longest, but the idea of the Great Spirit was but a hazy concept in Amerindian religion when contact with Christianity greatly clarified and strengthened it.
(1007.6) 92:4.6 2. The Edenic teachings. Adam and Eve again portrayed the concept of the Father of all to the evolutionary peoples. The disruption of the first Eden halted the course of the Adamic revelation before it had ever fully started. But the aborted teachings of Adam were carried on by the Sethite priests, and some of these truths have never been entirely lost to the world. The entire trend of Levantine religious evolution was modified by the teachings of the Sethites. But by 2500 B.C. mankind had largely lost sight of the revelation sponsored in the days of Eden.
(1007.7) 92:4.7 3. Melchizedek of Salem. This emergency Son of Nebadon inaugurated the third revelation of truth on Urantia. The cardinal precepts of his teachings were trust and faith. He taught trust in the omnipotent beneficence of God and proclaimed that faith was the act by which men earned God’s favor. His teachings gradually commingled with the beliefs and practices of various evolutionary religions and finally developed into those theologic systems present on Urantia at the opening of the first millennium after Christ.
(1008.1) 92:4.8 4. Jesus of Nazareth. Christ Michael presented for the fourth time to Urantia the concept of God as the Universal Father, and this teaching has generally persisted ever since. The essence of his teaching was love and service, the loving worship which a creature son voluntarily gives in recognition of, and response to, the loving ministry of God his Father; the freewill service which such creature sons bestow upon their brethren in the joyous realization that in this service they are likewise serving God the Father.
(1008.2) 92:4.9 5. The Urantia Papers. The papers, of which this is one, constitute the most recent presentation of truth to the mortals of Urantia. These papers differ from all previous revelations, for they are not the work of a single universe personality but a composite presentation by many beings. But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia.
Colter
Hi Colter,Do you consider the UB to be authoritative or just someones opinion?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Authoritative. Have I not made myself clear Ed? The UB is authored by celestial beings of various orders and expertise. All of them were in existence when Christ was on earth.The Gift of Revelation
(1007.1) 92:4.1 Revelation is evolutionary but always progressive. Down through the ages of a world’s history, the revelations of religion are ever-expanding and successively more enlightening. It is the mission of revelation to sort and censor the successive religions of evolution. But if revelation is to exalt and upstep the religions of evolution, then must such divine visitations portray teachings which are not too far removed from the thought and reactions of the age in which they are presented. Thus must and does revelation always keep in touch with evolution. Always must the religion of revelation be limited by man’s capacity of receptivity.
(1007.2) 92:4.2 But regardless of apparent connection or derivation, the religions of revelation are always characterized by a belief in some Deity of final value and in some concept of the survival of personality identity after death.
(1007.3) 92:4.3 Evolutionary religion is sentimental, not logical. It is man’s reaction to belief in a hypothetical ghost-spirit world — the human belief-reflex, excited by the realization and fear of the unknown. Revelatory religion is propounded by the real spiritual world; it is the response of the superintellectual cosmos to the mortal hunger to believe in, and depend upon, the universal Deities. Evolutionary religion pictures the circuitous gropings of humanity in quest of truth; revelatory religion is that very truth.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,21:35) Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2013,12:46) Hi Colter, If others were to say: “YOU have a Urantia Book fetish” – what would be YOUR response to this summation?
Ed J
No, because the UB does not claim to be “The Word of God.”Colter
Hi Colter,But you claim it to be Authoritative, would that
not then mean: “YOU have a Urantia Book fetish”?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,10:32) Quote (Colter @ May 20 2013,04:06) Quote (Ed J @ May 20 2013,02:53) Hi Colter, Jealousy is a powerful emotion, one that affords those you love protection – do you agree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, I don't agree, I think Love is greater. I think jealousy is about the one who is jealous, not the focus. It's like a toxic cocktail
of fear-pride-anger-revenge-possessiveness-self doubt-low self image all mixed together.Colter
Hi Colter,Here is where you finally defined the word Jealousy,
but obviously that definition is not shared by others.God bless
Ed J
Hi Colter,What do you say about others not sharing in “your definition” of the word “Jealousy”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,19:13) Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,21:35) Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2013,12:46) Hi Colter, If others were to say: “YOU have a Urantia Book fetish” – what would be YOUR response to this summation?
Ed J
No, because the UB does not claim to be “The Word of God.”Colter
Hi Colter,But you claim it to be Authoritative, would that
not then mean: “YOU have a Urantia Book fetish”?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Well, to the extent that the UB was authored by agents of Jesus Christ we do “trust” it's spiritual and historic content while at the same time the UB explains quite clearly that in a future age more up to date revelations will update the Urantia Book.The UB weens believers from the formation of creeds, doctrines or sovereign church authority. God is not to be limited by the inherent limitations of the UB.
“But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia.”
(1109.3) 101:4.2 Mankind should understand that we who participate in the revelation of truth are very rigorously limited by the instructions of our superiors. We are not at liberty to anticipate the scientific discoveries of a thousand years. Revelators must act in accordance with the instructions which form a part of the revelation mandate. We see no way of overcoming this difficulty, either now or at any future time. We full well know that, while the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come, within a few short years many of our statements regarding the physical sciences will stand in need of revision in consequence of additional scientific developments and new discoveries. These new developments we even now foresee, but we are forbidden to include such humanly undiscovered facts in the revelatory records. Let it be made clear that revelations are not necessarily inspired. The cosmology of these revelations is not inspired. It is limited by our permission for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge. While divine or spiritual insight is a gift, human wisdom must evolve.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:00)
Well, to the extent that the UB was authored by agents of Jesus Christ we do “trust” it's spiritual and historic content while at the same time the UB explains quite clearly that in a future age more up to date revelations will update the Urantia Book.Colter
Hi Colter,You mean like redact the parts 'they' got wrong?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Colter,
So you would argue against “YOU” have a Urantia Book fetish because… ?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,22:16) Hi Colter, So you would argue against “YOU” have a Urantia Book fetish because… ?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Because the Urantia revelation is relative, readers do not claim that it is Gods Word, inerrant, containing mysterious powers like the ark or golden calf and eventually the writings of the priest.fetish:
a : an object (as a small stone carving of an animal) believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence
But you could say we trust the celestial beings, I trust Jesus.
We also pick apart the UB
We know full well the damage done to the world by the Christian church and its holy book.Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,22:16) Hi Colter, So you would argue against “YOU” have a Urantia Book fetish because… ?
God bless
Ed J
Because the Urantia revelation is relative, readers do not claim that it is Gods Word, inerrant, containing mysterious powers like the ark or golden calf and eventually the writings of the priest.fetish:
a : an object (as a small stone carving of an animal) believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence
But you could say we trust the celestial beings, I trust Jesus.
We also pick apart the UB
We know full well the damage done to the world by the Christian church and its holy book.Colter
Hi Colter,OK, thanks for the answer!
Now can you also answer this question:
What do you say about others not sharing in “your definition of” the word “Jealousy”?Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,22:41) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,22:16) Hi Colter, So you would argue against “YOU” have a Urantia Book fetish because… ?
God bless
Ed J
Because the Urantia revelation is relative, readers do not claim that it is Gods Word, inerrant, containing mysterious powers like the ark or golden calf and eventually the writings of the priest.fetish:
a : an object (as a small stone carving of an animal) believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence
But you could say we trust the celestial beings, I trust Jesus.
We also pick apart the UB
We know full well the damage done to the world by the Christian church and its holy book.Colter
Hi Colter,OK, thanks for the answer!
Now can you also answer this question:
What do you say about others not sharing in “your definition of” the word “Jealousy”?
Its fine that you do not like my definition of God being jealous. You are free to disagree with me and thats ok. It's aood that this is such an important issue for you???What do you think about my claims that the OT books were written for the child like minds, of the common people, in that day and age, that it may not appeal to man in this day and age?
Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:52) What do you think about my claims that the OT books were written for the child like minds, of the common people, in that day and age, that it may not appeal to man in this day and age? Colter
Hi Colter,You mean like how God said:
Eat:
“And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws,
and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.
Don't eat:
Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof;
as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof;
therefore they are unclean unto you. 8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof,
yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you:” (Deuteronomy 14:6-8)This would mean that the horse is unclean to eat, because it parteth *NOT* the hoof, right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
* Reason for Edit: I forgot the word NOT in my questionQuote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:52)
Its fine that you do not like my definition of God being jealous. You are free to disagree with me and thats ok. It's aood that this is such an important issue for you???Colter
Hi Colter,I see you personalized my question to you, but that's OK.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,23:57) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:52) What do you think about my claims that the OT books were written for the child like minds, of the common people, in that day and age, that it may not appeal to man in this day and age? Colter
Hi Colter,You mean like how God said:
Eat:
“And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws,
and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.
Don't eat:
Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof;
as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof;
therefore they are unclean unto you. 8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof,
yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you:” (Deuteronomy 14:6-8)This would mean that the horse is unclean to eat, because it parteth the hoof, right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Errrrm, yea, something like that. So long as the followers of Moses thought God said it then they would be afraid to disobey.Colter
Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,23:59) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:52)
Its fine that you do not like my definition of God being jealous. You are free to disagree with me and thats ok. It's aood that this is such an important issue for you???Colter
Hi Colter,I see you personalized my question to you, but that's OK.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Oh, I did not realize that was a group question that required a plural answer. I apologize to all who may have been offended.Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 04 2013,00:14) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,23:59) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:52)
Its fine that you do not like my definition of God being jealous. You are free to disagree with me and thats ok. It's aood that this is such an important issue for you???Colter
Hi Colter,I see you personalized my question to you, but that's OK.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Oh, I did not realize that was a group question that required a plural answer. I apologize to all who may have been offended.Colter
HA Ha ha ha ha!Hi Colter,
Well, can you name some people that agree with your definition of the word “Jealousy”?Quote (Colter @ May 20 2013,04:06) I think jealousy is about the one who is jealous, not the focus. It's like a toxic cocktail
of fear-pride-anger-revenge-possessiveness-self doubt-low self image all mixed together.
Or if we were to ask the members here to define the word “Jealousy”, do you think any would define it as you have?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:52)
Its fine that you do not like my definition of God being jealous. You are free to disagree with me and thats ok. It's aood that this is such an important issue for you???Colter
Hi Colter,And what does “aood” mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 04 2013,00:56) Quote (Colter @ June 04 2013,00:14) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,23:59) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:52)
Its fine that you do not like my definition of God being jealous. You are free to disagree with me and thats ok. It's aood that this is such an important issue for you???Colter
Hi Colter,I see you personalized my question to you, but that's OK.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Oh, I did not realize that was a group question that required a plural answer. I apologize to all who may have been offended.Colter
HA Ha ha ha ha!Hi Colter,
Well, can you name some people that agree with your definition of the word “Jealousy”?Quote (Colter @ May 20 2013,04:06) I think jealousy is about the one who is jealous, not the focus. It's like a toxic cocktail
of fear-pride-anger-revenge-possessiveness-self doubt-low self image all mixed together.
Or if we were to ask the members here to define the word “Jealousy”, do you think any would define it as you have?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I would think that the average man on the street would see jealousy as a negative human characteristic, my definition is simply mine, others may certainly disagree. I see God as being mature and perfect.Why do you quibble over these trivialities?
Colter
Quote (Ed J @ June 04 2013,01:22) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:52)
Its fine that you do not like my definition of God being jealous. You are free to disagree with me and thats ok. It's aood that this is such an important issue for you???Colter
Hi Colter,And what does “aood” mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
it's “odd” spelled with an “a” minus a d.Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 04 2013,01:24) Quote (Ed J @ June 04 2013,01:22) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:52)
Its fine that you do not like my definition of God being jealous. You are free to disagree with me and thats ok. It's aood that this is such an important issue for you???Colter
Hi Colter,And what does “aood” mean?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
it's “odd” spelled with an “a” minus a d.Colter
Hi Colter,Thanks! I thought it was either “Good” or “odd”, but I wasn't
sure which; plus you may have meant something entirely different.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ June 04 2013,01:23) Quote (Ed J @ June 04 2013,00:56) Quote (Colter @ June 04 2013,00:14) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,23:59) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:52)
Its fine that you do not like my definition of God being jealous. You are free to disagree with me and thats ok. It's aood that this is such an important issue for you???Colter
Hi Colter,I see you personalized my question to you, but that's OK.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Oh, I did not realize that was a group question that required a plural answer. I apologize to all who may have been offended.Colter
HA Ha ha ha ha!Hi Colter,
Well, can you name some people that agree with your definition of the word “Jealousy”?Quote (Colter @ May 20 2013,04:06) I think jealousy is about the one who is jealous, not the focus. It's like a toxic cocktail
of fear-pride-anger-revenge-possessiveness-self doubt-low self image all mixed together.
Or if we were to ask the members here to define the word “Jealousy”, do you think any would define it as you have?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I would think that the average man on the street would see jealousy as a negative human characteristic, my definition is simply mine, others may certainly disagree. I see God as being mature and perfect.Why do you quibble over these trivialities?
Colter
Hi Colter,Sorry Colter, but I don't consider the definitions of words to be trivial!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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