Global Warming-Fact

[Not3in1]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Oct. 29 2007,00:21)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 28 2007,20:10) Fomer Vice President Al Gore and Leonardo Dicaprio did a wonderful video presentation on Global Warming.  You can view it on “YouTube” if you'd like.  I didn't know how to get the video to post here, sorry. Just go to:  www.youtube.com and enter:  Leonardo Dicaprio global warming. I don't know. I am kind of disgusted that Al Gore received the Nobel peace prize for that. I think that Al became a scientist just after he invented the internet. Tim

Hi Tim – good to see you!

Maybe so (about Al Gore), but the message of the video is excellent, and it's reached millions – that's the important thing.

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 29 2007,07:10)

Quote (TimothyVI @ Oct. 29 2007,00:21) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 28 2007,20:10) Fomer Vice President Al Gore and Leonardo Dicaprio did a wonderful video presentation on Global Warming.  You can view it on “YouTube” if you'd like.  I didn't know how to get the video to post here, sorry. Just go to:  www.youtube.com and enter:  Leonardo Dicaprio global warming. I don't know. I am kind of disgusted that Al Gore received the Nobel peace prize for that. I think that Al became a scientist just after he invented the internet. Tim Hi Tim – good to see you! Maybe so (about Al Gore), but the message of the video is excellent, and it's reached millions – that's the important thing.

I agree.
It is good to hear from you as always.
Love your new avatar.

Tim

[The One]

Truly it amazes me to know that there are professing christians who believe that we(the created)can destroy with our actions the Creator's work!

That is so brazen to be almost rebellious against God.God
will end this world in His time.by His power.NOT by anything
we can do!So the scriptures teach!

[Not3in1]

The One – good point!

Tim – I changed my Avatar because I was tired of looking at a cat's butt! And this one suited me because I love the stars and planets (I can spend hours gazing at them in wonder).

I sure wish you posted more, Tim. I've always appreciated your point of view and opinions on things. Stick around, will you?
Love, Mandy

[The One]

To acertainchap,

I know from reading you posts that you have knowledge of the scriptures,that is why this quote from Rev.11
befuddles me.

If you consider Revelations an apocraphyl book,then you also must realize that these kinds of books deal with the times in which they are written.Remember in Matt.24:36 Jesus says only the Father knows when the end will come.And in verse 43-44 Jesus likens his second coming to a thief in the night&coming at a time when no one suspects.Yet
everyone is sure that the end times are now.How can that be?

Revelations was written specifically for the seven churches
Jesus talks to in the first three chapters.Then the vision of John gives SYMBOLIC details as to what the church must endure until Christ is exalted(the time of Constantine)in the
eyes of all the world.In fact,the reference to the number of a man being 666 is a direct reference to Ceasar Nero(whose name numerically is 666,and numerology was a very common practice in that dispensation)The city on seven hills is Rome
(which rests on 7 hills).

If you follow the church's history and apply that to Rev.,
you will see the consistency of the vision as applies to the early church.

Jesus also says in the last chapter of Rev.(22)Jesus says”I
am coming quickly”but that was almost 2000 years ago,so
what does he mean?The reference is to those christians that the dominance of christianity over the world(Jesus' church)
will be soon.And historically,this has proven true.

[The One]

The proof is in the fact that the Roman empire is no more,but Christ's church still abides!

[Stu]

Quote (The One @ Oct. 29 2007,13:27)

Truly it amazes me to know that there are professing christians who believe that we(the created)can destroy with our actions the Creator's work!  That is so brazen to be almost rebellious against God.God will end this world in His time.by His power.NOT by anything we can do!So the scriptures teach!

What was the flood all about then?

Stuart

[kenrch]

Quote (The One @ Oct. 30 2007,10:27)

The proof is in the fact that the Roman empire is no more,but Christ's church still abides!

So how were the Romans “destroying the Earth”? They didn't even have gun powder. The big invention was the wheel and bow.

The book of Revelations when written was future and refers to the “Great and terrible day of the Lord”. IMHO some things have been fulfilled, some are being fulfilled, and some are yet to be fulfilled.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2007,20:05)

Quote (The One @ Oct. 29 2007,13:27) Truly it amazes me to know that there are professing christians who believe that we(the created)can destroy with our actions the Creator's work!  That is so brazen to be almost rebellious against God.God will end this world in His time.by His power.NOT by anything we can do!So the scriptures teach! What was the flood all about then? Stuart

The flood was about God's power.

The One and other's are talking about the fact that some accuse humans of ruining the earth and destroying it. Only God has such power (as displayed in The Flood).

[Stu]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 31 2007,04:03)

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2007,20:05) Quote (The One @ Oct. 29 2007,13:27) Truly it amazes me to know that there are professing christians who believe that we(the created)can destroy with our actions the Creator's work!  That is so brazen to be almost rebellious against God.God will end this world in His time.by His power.NOT by anything we can do!So the scriptures teach! What was the flood all about then? Stuart The flood was about God's power.   The One and other's are talking about the fact that some accuse humans of ruining the earth and destroying it.  Only God has such power (as displayed in The Flood).

My point is really, the flood was a response to humans (and presumably animals – otherwise it is a cruel deity, but maybe we know that already) who were supposedly destroying aspects of creation held dear by the creator.

Stuart

[Morningstar]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 31 2007,19:49)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 31 2007,04:03) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2007,20:05) Quote (The One @ Oct. 29 2007,13:27) Truly it amazes me to know that there are professing christians who believe that we(the created)can destroy with our actions the Creator's work!  That is so brazen to be almost rebellious against God.God will end this world in His time.by His power.NOT by anything we can do!So the scriptures teach! What was the flood all about then? Stuart The flood was about God's power.   The One and other's are talking about the fact that some accuse humans of ruining the earth and destroying it.  Only God has such power (as displayed in The Flood). My point is really, the flood was a response to humans (and presumably animals – otherwise it is a cruel deity, but maybe we know that already) who were supposedly destroying aspects of creation held dear by the creator.   Stuart

the flood was to whipe out the nephilim and their progeny who had corrupted the earth.

[Stu]

Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 31 2007,20:07)

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 31 2007,19:49) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 31 2007,04:03) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2007,20:05) Quote (The One @ Oct. 29 2007,13:27) Truly it amazes me to know that there are professing christians who believe that we(the created)can destroy with our actions the Creator's work!  That is so brazen to be almost rebellious against God.God will end this world in His time.by His power.NOT by anything we can do!So the scriptures teach! What was the flood all about then? Stuart The flood was about God's power.   The One and other's are talking about the fact that some accuse humans of ruining the earth and destroying it.  Only God has such power (as displayed in The Flood). My point is really, the flood was a response to humans (and presumably animals – otherwise it is a cruel deity, but maybe we know that already) who were supposedly destroying aspects of creation held dear by the creator.   Stuart the flood was to whipe out the nephilim and their progeny who had corrupted the earth.

Hi Morningstar

The flood didn't work then? Numbers 13:33 has the descendants of the Genesis giants still in good health. Were they tall enough to poke their noses above the flood waters?

Of course this is all myth – there is no archeological basis for such beings, and none for the flood either.

Stuart

[Morningstar]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 31 2007,22:35)

Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 31 2007,20:07) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 31 2007,19:49) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 31 2007,04:03) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2007,20:05) Quote (The One @ Oct. 29 2007,13:27) Truly it amazes me to know that there are professing christians who believe that we(the created)can destroy with our actions the Creator's work!  That is so brazen to be almost rebellious against God.God will end this world in His time.by His power.NOT by anything we can do!So the scriptures teach! What was the flood all about then? Stuart The flood was about God's power.   The One and other's are talking about the fact that some accuse humans of ruining the earth and destroying it.  Only God has such power (as displayed in The Flood). My point is really, the flood was a response to humans (and presumably animals – otherwise it is a cruel deity, but maybe we know that already) who were supposedly destroying aspects of creation held dear by the creator.   Stuart the flood was to whipe out the nephilim and their progeny who had corrupted the earth. Hi Morningstar The flood didn't work then?  Numbers 13:33 has the descendants of the Genesis giants still in good health.  Were they tall enough to poke their noses above the flood waters? Of course this is all myth – there is no archeological basis for such beings, and none for the flood either. Stuart

look up forbidden archaelogy on google.

And Genesis clearly says

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—

so either some survived the flood somehow, the flood wasn't completly global, or the sons of God paid another visit.

you will find all kinds of weird stuff. I don't claim to believe it all, I am just pointing out that there are many scientists who disagree. (yes some are actually scientist and not just quacks so at worste they are quacky scientists )

every culture on our planet developed a belief in the “gods” coming down to them and breeding with them creating giant men and teaching them “civilization”. a little weird for a global coincidense once you realize how prolific this belief was.

[Proclaimer]

Here is a video on Global Warming.

I am not endorsing what this guy is saying, but throw it in here just to provide some food for thought.

[Cato]

I think most scientists are coming around to the idea that climate change is happening and that human actions may be a strong part of it.  It is still open for some debate but if it is true then the time for action is immediate.  As for the part of interjecting religion into this I believe it is superfluous.  That only God can destroy the earth may be fact, but we humans can certainly make it antagonistic to life as we know it which is more to the point.  If we must interject faith, then the point previously made about being good stewards to creation is to the point, and here we have much to account for.  The difficulty will be in the path to making necessary changes and who will have to change and adapt and who will pay for it.

[Proclaimer]

Here is an interesting scripture:

Revelation 11:18
The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

[Stu]

Quote (Cato @ Jan. 29 2008,23:47)

I think most scientists are coming around to the idea that climate change is happening and that human actions may be a strong part of it.  It is still open for some debate but if it is true then the time for action is immediate.  As for the part of interjecting religion into this I believe it is superfluous.  That only God can destroy the earth may be fact, but we humans can certainly make it antagonistic to life as we know it which is more to the point.  If we must interject faith, then the point previously made about being good stewards to creation is to the point, and here we have much to account for.  The difficulty will be in the path to making necessary changes and who will have to change and adapt and who will pay for it.

There are two major dangers for people on this planet. One is climate change and its potential to radically change our circumstances, and the other is religious fundamentalism and the enthusiasm some have for jihad or the fulfilment of the sick rantings of revelation. Both demand changes of attitude; the first is more fixable than the second if this forum is any kind of indicator.

Stuart

[Proclaimer]

Stu, you forgot to mention evolutionists like Adolph Hitler who believe that one race is better than another and has the right to exterminate the supposed weaker one in order to fulfill the precepts of Evolution.

So now we have 3 on the list:

1) Humans contributing to climate change
2) Religious nutters who get a virgin in heaven for every hundred infidels they kill
3) Crazy evolutionists who reasonably compete for an ecosystem as specified in the theory of evolution

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 30 2008,21:20)

Stu, you forgot to mention evolutionists like Adolph Hitler who believe that one race is better than another and has the right to exterminate the supposed weaker one in order to fulfill the precepts of Evolution. So now we have 3 on the list: 1) Humans contributing to climate change 2) Religious nutters who get a virgin in heaven for every hundred infidels they kill 3) Crazy evolutionists who reasonably compete for an ecosystem as specified in the theory of evolution

Oh dear, it is all new for you but groundhog day for the rest of us. Whose law says that the first person to mention Hitler has lost the argument?

I think you'll find it's 72 virgins for killing any infidels. At least that's the received wisdom. Fundamentalists should feel short-changed. They get no virgins for killing abortion doctors.

Stuart

[Cato]

They (the jihadists) missed the small print in their contracts;
all the virgins have to stay that way.

As far as the Hitler reference, just because someone abuses a concept or power doesn't in itself make the concept or power evil or immoral.  Maybe evolution is true or not as far as humanity is concerned, but by itself it is neither good or evil as there is no moral component. Evolution tries to describe what can happen to species, not what should happen. People may add that, but nature does not.

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