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I simply point out that there is very little difference in DNA among living things. Granted the closest the structure is to another the more common code they possess. That is completely logical. But your view sees the code as increasing and improving and adapting to the external environment. Whereas my view is that there is a code base among all living things and has you move up the stack, you start to group like structures.

I can’t see what facts are explained by your view, and your view would appear to insist that primordial bacterial contained the genes required to make human brains some 3 billion years later.

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Conclusion, your view suggests that we evolved from the common ancestor between us and a banana to a common ape ancestor.

It’s not “my view”, it’s a statement of facts of history, although using the words “common ape ancestor” only makes sense if you are comparing two or more ape species.

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My view is that the programmer takes different code from the code base when creating species and like any programmer does, he doesn't reinvent the wheel each time, but reuses code.

So, would you predict that the same job would be done in the same way in different species because the code is reused? I look forward to your response to this question.

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Look at the things that men make.

Why?

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I know that you are not a very logical person Stu, and that you maybe think that by magic things come to be.

It is not me who believes that the first human arose by divine breathing into dirt, the second by transgenic magic on a rib, the third and fourth by the more commonly known means and the fifth by unknown magic. Would you say that story is more logical than the way it actually happened, by genetic change in ancestor populations?

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But this website for example is a bunch of binary (think quantum) code that represents more sophisticated languages such as ASCII which in turn is written in such a way that it talks the native language of HTML, Perl, and JavaScript to produce this website.

Marvellous. So what?

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But I can assure you Stu that there is a lot more going on than your simple view of the universe.

Go on then, assure me. Try doing it without just asserting it. That should not convince anyone.

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You just haven't thought things through very deeply and just sort of assume that everything came from nothing or from something with an IQ of zero.

I assume that I exist and that what you see is what you get. You assume the first of those, then you assume that what you see is not what you get, and there is a divine meddler, and you can know something about that divine meddler. That is four assumptions of yours which you cannot confirm to be true against my two assumptions. I do not assume nearly as much about cosmology as you do, so this is another case of pot, kettle, black.

Stuart

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[Stu]

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https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=8;t=3798 You are invited to share your faith in the Gravity God topic. NOTE: If you decline everyone will think you are chicken.

That will make a change from being called a fool.

Stuart

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Quote (t8 @ Mar. 11 2011,20:15) https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=8;t=3798 You are invited to share your faith in the Gravity God topic. NOTE: If you decline everyone will think you are chicken. That will make a change from being called a fool. Stuart

Greetings Stu…..You are by no means a fool…If I had to take a guess as to what you do day to day and Iam going to base my observation on your two uncontestable assumptions that “what you see is what you get”….You are a scientist either in the medical profession or possibly and educator in the field of science…IMO…I have been wrong before but the thing that stands out is that the most demanding requisite in all your posts is proof and no one in this forum has been able to supply that, while at the same time you have been unable to disprove one of the most basic premise that drives this forum and that is the existance of a creator of this universe….

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Quote (Stu @ Mar. 11 2011,20:21) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 11 2011,20:15) https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=8;t=3798 You are invited to share your faith in the Gravity God topic. NOTE: If you decline everyone will think you are chicken. That will make a change from being called a fool. Stuart Greetings Stu…..You are by no means a fool…If I had to take a guess as to what you do day to day and Iam going to base my observation on your two uncontestable assumptions that “what you see is what you get”….You are a scientist either in the medical profession or possibly and educator in the field of science…IMO…I have been wrong before but the thing that stands out is that the most demanding requisite in all your posts is proof and no one in this forum has been able to supply that, while at the same time you have been unable to disprove one of the most basic premise that drives this forum and that is the existance of a creator of this universe….

It is very kind of you to suggest these things, and of course I cannot disprove the existence of anything.

Of course no christian can disprove the existence of Bacchus either!

Stuart

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It is very kind of you to suggest these things, and of course I cannot disprove the existence of anything.

Yes thanks for clarifying that.

Yet you have haven't ceased from saying that God or a creator doesn't exist. Isn't that the point?

Thanks for agreeing on this. Now you just need to apply this in your own life.

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I can’t see what facts are explained by your view, and your view would appear to insist that primordial bacterial contained the genes required to make human brains some 3 billion years later.

Think of the gene pool of all living things.

All have common code and differences are simply applied by adding a small amount of code that is unique. The uniqueness is also the combination or selection of code derived from all available code.

[Stu]

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Quote (Stu @ Mar. 12 2011,07:05) It is very kind of you to suggest these things, and of course I cannot disprove the existence of anything. Yes thanks for clarifying that. Yet you have haven't ceased from saying that God or a creator  doesn't exist. Isn't that the point? Thanks for agreeing on this. Now you just need to apply this in your own life.

How have I not applied this in my own life? Apart from you not really having more than an arrogant guess at how I run my life, I think the evidence for what I believe is pretty clear. You might recall the fact that I have acknowledged a tiny sliver of a chance that you are right about your god, and that I even had a go at enumerating it as a maximum percentage.

Now, t8, tell us how you run your own life. Do you acknowledge that there is a chance you could be wrong?

Tell us about that. Convince us that you are not really living Pascal's bankrupt bet.

Stuart

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Quote (Stu @ Mar. 11 2011,20:06) I can’t see what facts are explained by your view, and your view would appear to insist that primordial bacterial contained the genes required to make human brains some 3 billion years later. Think of the gene pool of all living things. All have common code and differences are simply applied by adding a small amount of code that is unique. The uniqueness is also the combination or selection of code derived from all available code.

You equivocate. In case it is not by convenience but forgetfulness that you have failed to answer my earlier question to you, I'll ask it again.

Do you predict that because a common code is in effect here that it should be expected that the same job would be done in the same way in different species?

I remain in eager anticipation of your reply. Keeping up such eagerness for extended periods of time can be a drain, so if you could expediate an answer that would be of assistance.

Thanks.

Stuart

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