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  • #116325
    charity
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    :D  Thank you Lightenup.. most pleased to receive your post.

    Healthy pray!!! and……

    I am not so sure that God shall give us whatsoever we all want, when we all want it; just because we ask in Jesus name.
    well I should say I pray he doesn't always give me whatsoever I ask in Jesus name, for I am not really sure I am capable of always knowing what is best, to Know what I should request, when I think I know what I want,  it could just what I don't need.

    The meaning of pray is deeply savaged and marred beyond recognizing, thanks to the sound of Johns unclear trumpet, clanging cymbals, theologians can read those words and believe they are wise directions that the earth and nations and governments follow along?

    Oh I know God answers my pray (NEED) BEFORE I ASK…SMILE  not designed to be continual requesting…engineered by fearful men, Pray is Like its been designed as a weapon against Satan's power over our Lives.
    A  negative against everything that doesn't run smoothly in our Lives country.
    i kinda think the style of pray known of in today's world is really quiet faithless, with a no confidence vote from I,
    AS in the way, selfish manners and BAD charter ARE using it to battle.

    #116338
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Quote (charity @ Jan. 01 2009,19:17)
    :D  Thank you Lightenup.. most pleased to receive your post.

    Healthy pray!!! and……

    I am not so sure that God shall give us whatsoever we all want, when we all want it; just because we ask in Jesus name.
    well I should say I pray he doesn't always give me whatsoever I ask in Jesus name, for I am not really sure I am capable of always knowing what is best, to Know what I should request, when I think I know what I want,  it could just what I don't need.

    The meaning of pray is deeply savaged and marred beyond recognizing, thanks to the sound of Johns unclear trumpet, clanging cymbals, theologians can read those words and believe they are wise directions that the earth and nations and governments follow along?

    Oh I know God answers my pray (NEED) BEFORE I ASK…SMILE  not designed to be continual requesting…engineered by fearful men, Pray is Like its been designed as a weapon against Satan's power over our Lives.
    A  negative against everything that doesn't run smoothly in our Lives country.
    i kinda think the style of pray known of in today's world is really quiet faithless, with a no confidence vote from I,
    AS in the way, selfish manners and BAD charter ARE using it to battle.


    Hi Charity,
    I know what you mean. Praying to manipulate God…a big no no! I agree, God knows what we need before we ask so we ask for mainly our benefit as our faith grows when He answers in His own way. Also, when I turn a matter over to Him through prayer, I rest or should rest anyway. No more striving! After prayer, I seek His answer and join Him in His way, that is my desire anyway.

    I'm not so put off by praying for something over and over. I believe that God looks well on perseverance. Not that He will answer in a way we would like but He answers in a way that is best for us…and I agree with you on that. Amen!

    Thanks for your post, Charity!
    God bless and Happy New Year,
    Kathi

    #116376
    charity
    Participant

    This is the help desk

    christian people can be  UN aware that others  have installed all their faith in God and all failed, they have not been answered in their most desperate need.
    Its Just like being ignored by another human being….worthlessness
    One may live alone and pray calling out to god for a partner, in which God has said…. Man should not be alone, yet Ten years Latter that person is still crying out loud, and living alone. why?  
    God dose not simply interfere within the garden of Eden that is created for men?
    It is up to them to have more than just pray,
    even perhaps imagination and desire, mating skills that which was  killed by Adam, and projected into his creation as shame and sin even at a thought.

    :)

    #116391
    Lightenup
    Participant

    You are right Charity, we need to do more than just pray. Just like I did for my art project, we have to pray and then seek and listen for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. As far as those that pray for something for 10 years without getting it, the answer is either no or the individual needs to self-evaluate how they can improve the situation with what they do have control over, gaining new skills, weight management, developing a positive personality, getting involved in new communities of people, developing contentment in the place where God has them, etc.

    Anyway, I suppose this thread should resume as the help desk for t8 questions. Nice chatting with you Charity, see you on some other thread.
    Kathi

    #116407
    charity
    Participant

    Lightenup
    you have a faithful good heart, I understand you.

    yet.

    I wish people could hear

    the answer No, is totally in conflict with whatsoever you ask in his Name shall be done.
    that is why Paul's help desk is answering, within his will, and just making it worse, that even Paul “new” all should fail to an end and cease, for perfect living
    and what shall be the end of this..The curse of Law, finished, from the beginning Adams conceived and gave God a voice that he new men could be controlled in weakness, tricked to submit to a higher command, charter, punish er, redeemer of you shall surly not die with a Lie, a Nature feared, so confusing, other than simple thunder and lightning, snow and rain. Natural causes as disasters.

    #116450
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Charity,
    We won't have heaven while on earth but we will someday have heaven where we understand the why's and we will easily rejoice in them and the things of earth will grow stangely dim…someday. K

    #116482
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 02 2009,08:35)
    Once, I was looking for a college project that was in the form of a spiralbound collection of drawings.  I really wanted it to take to my art class that I had been teaching so I could show the kids that I just taught the same things to.   Well I was praying that the Lord would allow me to find it if He wanted me to show it to them.  My last class with them was just minutes away and I was about to leave and still hadn't found it after looking everywhere that I could think of.  I sat down at my sink area and my hand accidently knocked off an earring into a tall box next to the sink.  I figured that I should get it out or I will forget that it was in there.  Well, when I looked in there for the earring, I found my college project.  I was so amazed at God's creativity to show me the place and thankful for His answer to my prayer.  The class enjoyed the story of God's answer and seeing the project.  He showed me, literally at the last second.  I don't think that was a coincidence.  


    There are people in the world suffering starvation and disease, and instead of praying uselessly for them you ask god to find things for you?

    You are wrong about your prayer being answered. God put you on hold and while 'he' was helping a couch potato find the TV remote in a pile of cushions, ignoring humanitarian crises the world over, you found the item you were looking for anyway.

    Stuart

    #116508
    TimothyVI
    Participant

    Quote (charity @ Jan. 03 2009,06:58)
    I wish people could hear

    the answer No, is totally in conflict with whatsoever you ask in his Name shall be done.


    You are absolutely correct Charity. :)

    Tim

    #116511
    TimothyVI
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 04 2009,00:03)
     God put you on hold and while 'he' was helping a couch potato find the TV remote in a pile of cushions, ignoring humanitarian crises the world over
    Stuart


    I found it!

    Tim

    #116518
    charity
    Participant

    :D In Good will, men have created things to lose things to need and Pray to.

    King of the remote control

    #116521
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Stu,
    You are hopelessly whining on and on! God knows death is gain for all who seek Him even if they die because they are hungry. God is also behind massive relief efforts. Did you ever think about that? You just seem to blame and assume the worst. You have issues Stu. Get some professional help for your depression!

    #116524
    charity
    Participant

    Lightenup…I luv ya…
    Didn't God design a help mate that Man should not be alone?
    men shall Live a lone even in THE Presence OF god until he find his mate.

    yet find a Help meet, that then, should be drawn, a pray felt Hail of thanks without demand.

    Men created poverty, and men are the gods of this world, fixing it.

    #116526
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Hi Charity,
    Does a help mate always have to mean a sexual relationship? Man is not alone, there are people everywhere. When God said that to Adam, there were no other people. He created a woman for the man because that is how to get more people. Being the only person on an island is far different than being the only person living in a bedroom. If a person doesn't have a sexual mate that doesn't mean they can't have companionship.
    Luv ya back, K

    #116556
    charity
    Participant

    What ch want to define as a Help meet? (female qualities)
    If the female is the help meet, what is the Male?

    I guess a man shall never be alone once he has children to be around him, then they leave……
    Your right anyone can have sexual relations with any one, that nice time may help some, and send others into the pits of hell and pain? especially if that cursed desire towards the husband is not present, if  it isn't toward him, then its gonna head out and find some desirable apples else where.

    Theirs lots of Lonely Married people out there!
    Living under oaths, not for a Love that keeps them from ever feeling used.
    Whats the Magic in destiny if you don't believe in rewards and bliss ?

    #116557
    charity
    Participant

    I am not sure this earth has filled itself with people evolved in knowledge
    as in basic wisdom,  choosing a life partner, or part life partner,
    who to walk straight past, and who to stop for.

    I mean look at the past history…
    Interbreeding causes defect or perfections in all the animals

    The UN scientifically evolved mind once chose their help mates….

    Abraham took Sarah his sister, and conceived Issac, and Issac took wives and produced Jacob, and from Jacob who took his two cousins to wife, thus came, twelve tribes in which the bible is mostly based on.

    Perhaps a very mentally dangerous creation filled the earth.

    today we could  pair up so much for the better, having knowledge and time on our sides.
    That is if the great minds would be heard and payed respect concerning even simple dating mating skills. that from the beginning seem to be a voided.
    levels of hesitance, early responses can help save one from binding themselves to lesser Love, and UN fill fulling end.

    #116565
    charity
    Participant

    ooh..the inside of Male head!!!!  smile..I love this!! fiction yet reality…..made me smile bigger Than I ever have.

    I'm  standing at the help desk
    and was quietly handed this letter.

    I Got Seduced by the Dec. 25th Holiday

    “I Was Just Thinking About You The Whole Time”

    Fiction:…..he sayeth….

    I went to the local tavern and picked up a gal. We went home and made
    out. My wife walked in on us and seemed upset. I calmly walked over to
    her with a smile that begged her approval. “Great to see you” I said
    with confidence, “I'm glad you saw how passionately I was kissing this
    other gal, because once you know how I was thinking of you the whole
    time, your going to be so impressed of that expression of love toward
    you …”

    OK,
    that sounds absurd, doesn't it? How could anyone be that stupid to
    think that the wife would be pleased at all if her husband was getting
    it on with a harlot while thinking about her the whole time?

    Doesn't that even make it more disturbing that he was thinking about her?

    Here
    is the sad thing: I've been that stupid. It would be bad enough if I
    had been that stupid with my wife, but that is not what I'm talking
    about. I've been that stupid with God.

    It is written that redeemed saints are the bride of Christ. I'm married to Him, and so are you if you are a believer.

    Truth:

    While I am in the world I went and got seduced by the December 25th
    holiday and other pagan festivals. It wasn't long before I was
    passionately enthralled in these things. God could see me do this, and
    I just confidently explained to God that “I was thinking of Him the
    whole time.” No. That's not how I said it. It was more like, “Jesus is
    the reason for the season” or “Lets keep Christ in Christmas.” But the
    bottom line is that I was acting a harlot and sleeping around on Him,
    while trying to justify my adultery by saying I was thinking of Him as
    I did it.

    Yeah, I'm that stupid.

    Currently:

    I'm sorry. I've blown it. I've repented. I ain't sleeping around any
    more. No more justifying it. I don't want to do that anymore to the God
    that I love. I love Him because He first loved me.

    He
    has proven it to me. As often as I blow it, He is there to forgive me
    and pick me up from all my stumbling. He welcomes me back into a pure
    relationship even though I have played the harlot over and over. And
    I'm getting so convinced that He'll forgive and love me that I don't
    care to wander as much as I have in the past. All that leads to regret,
    and there is no regret in His arms for He fulfills every longing of my
    heart.

       THUS SAYS THE LORD:

       This world has altogether become a house of harlots, who continually go
       out to commit fornication with the unclean and revel in their
       adulteries against God, altogether forsaking Him who I sent to them so
       they may turn away from their ways and become completely clean…none
       of these have harkened. They remain shackled to this world and its
       fornications of sin, intermingling honor with dishonor, praise with
       blasphemy, and sin with purity. Woe! My children, you have all fallen
       into the snare of the devil. Can you not see, My children? Open your
       eyes and read the writing set forth in stone, written by the hand of
       God, the everlasting Law etched with burning fire, blazing as a torch
       so you may not stumble in the darkness which surrounds you…

       I shall speak plainly, so those slow to understanding may hear, though their ears are dull and their eyes are dim.

       These modern holidays, Christmas, Easter and
       Halloween, are abomination in the eyes of the Lord God Almighty. I
       shall destroy them and wipe them from the face of the whole earth! No
       more shall you break My commands, and revel in sin, in the Sons name.
       My countenance is turned against you! says the Lord of Hosts.

    #116568
    theodorej
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 01 2009,18:04)
    Prayer is useful only to give you something to do when nothing will work anyway.

    Stuart


    Greetings Stu…..Prayer is just one of the many options before us when we realize a situation is bigger than we are,I would think the faith that one has in their own abilities coupled with the help from the creator to discern, can either
    resolve a situation or exasabate the same…It is Gods will that prevails in all cases,both good and bad…To humble yourself before God and seek his wisdom or help usually helps,and this is done through prayer….

    #116615
    Stu
    Participant

    Lightenup

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    You are hopelessly whining on and on!


    Obviously not hopelessly. At least you have considered the issue by replying…

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    God knows death is gain for all who seek Him even if they die because they are hungry.


    You know the mind of god? Wow! I know the mind of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (bless His Noodly Appendage)

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    God is also behind massive relief efforts. Did you ever think about that?


    Name one example of a single act of ‘relief’ that your god has unquestionably done, that was definitely not the act of some other god. Is god not actually responsible for the natural disasters that require ‘relief’? Why would a god drown the entire planet, and continually bombard it with, for example earthquakes, then also mount humanitarian relief??

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    You just seem to blame and assume the worst.


    None of these things are the fault or beneficiaries of any god, because all gods are the figments of deluded imaginations. So the blame is only mockingly attributed, of course.

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    You have issues Stu. Get some professional help for your depression!


    I suppose if you know the mind of god then diagnosing mental illness online can’t present you with too many problems. In any case I think on the evidence it is your god who is acting like the arsonist by night and fireman by day.

    Stuart

    #116619
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 05 2009,03:33)

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 01 2009,18:04)
    Prayer is useful only to give you something to do when nothing will work anyway.

    Stuart


    Greetings Stu…..Prayer is just one of the many options before us when we realize a situation is bigger than we are,I would think the faith that one has in their own abilities coupled with the help from the creator to discern, can either
    resolve a situation or exasabate the same…It is Gods will that prevails in all cases,both good and bad…To humble yourself before God and seek his wisdom or help usually helps,and this is done through prayer….


    …and when that doesn't work, which it never does*, I suppose you could always panic.

    *Not my claim but that of meta analyses of many studies done of the tangible effects of prayer. Statistically there are no effects that cannot be accounted for by the placebo effect.

    Stuart

    #116664
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Stu,
    Read about Daniel and the Lion's Den and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednigo in the fiery furnace and you will see their God's rescue, even the king gave Him credit. They worshipped the same God as I do.

    BTW, it doesn't take a doctor to see that you are an unhappy person. Get some help. Knowing the mind of your spaghetti god isn't helping you.

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