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- June 15, 2007 at 7:05 pm#55586NickHassanParticipant
Hi,
Nanay has suggested that the founders of the JWs was a mason. The Mormons too were founded by a mason and their rituals reflect that influence.
The US has had many masonic Presidents including Gerge Washington, and some suggest that the layout of important cities is sometimes on the basis of the masonic square and crescent or the Isis/Virgo constellation.
This shadowy guild that promotes power and influence with also a philanthropic aspect is said to include occult religious practices.
Who can add or clarify?June 20, 2007 at 2:22 am#55944davidParticipantI can “clarify” something:
This is a website from actual freemasons:
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry03.html
That site lists many people who are often falsely listed as being free masons.
On the bottom of that page, it states:Charles Taze Russell?
Claims have been made that “Paster” Russell (1852/02/16-1916/10/31), founder of the International Bible Students Association — forerunner of the Jehovah’s Witnesses — was a freemason; that the banner on the front of early issues of the Watchtower contained masonic symbols; and that Russell’s gravestone bears a masonic cross and crown symbol.
Russell was not a freemason. Neither the symbols found in the Watchtower nor the cross and crown symbol are exclusively masonic. And the cross and crown symbol does not appear on his gravestone in the Rosemont United Cemetery, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania — it appears on a memorial erected some years later.
In an address delivered in a San Francisco masonic hall in 1913, Russell made positive use of masonic imagery by saying, “Now, I am a free and accepted mason. I trust we all are. But not just after the style of our masonic brethren.” He further develops this idea: “true Bible believers may or may not belong to the masonic fraternity, but they are all masons of the highest order, since they are being fashioned, chiselled and polished by the Almighty to be used as living stones in the Temple Built Without Hands. They are free from sin, and therefore accepted by the God of Heaven as fit stones for the heavenly Temple.” Later in this address, Russell stated quite clearly that “I have never been a mason.” Those who claim Russell was a freemason quote this address out of context without noting the rhetorical imagery.
Although Russell wrote about the pyramids and the Knights Templar, the pyramids are not a part of Freemasonry and Russell’s understanding of the relationship between the modern Knights Templar and Freemasonry displays an outsider’s ignorance of both organizations.Freemasons seem to have a disdain for charles taze russel and any association of him with them.
Here's the actual truth. It is very easy to find tabloid type articles on Russel and freemasonry. People love hearing mysterious conspiracy stories, hence the tabloid “industry.”
The interenet is no different.After sifting through the garbage, much of which seems to be copied from one source to the next, we come to the truth.
As Russel himself said: “I have never been a mason.”
June 20, 2007 at 2:27 am#55945davidParticipantHere is a list of famous free masons:
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/textfiles/famous.html
At the end of this list, there is a section called:
“The following have been claimed to be freemasons without documented evidence;”
Russel is among this list.And, here is another list of “non-masons” who are often falsely accused of being masons:
http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htmThis site states:
There is no credible evidence whatsoever that Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Jehovah's Witness faith, was a Mason. Some have charged that his tombstone appears as a keystone (a symbol used in Royal Arch Masonry), that there appears on the stone a crown and cross and that the stone is in the shape of a pyramid. (Those who make the claim do so for their own ends ignoring the fact that the cross and crown have long been symbols of Christianity, that the pyramid is often used in one-dimension view to represent the Trinity etc.) . . . .Those attempting to condemn Russell based on Masonic membership fail to produce any evidence of his membership (the name of his lodge or the names of lodges he ostensibly visited, for example) . . . .Russell is not mentioned in any Masonic reference works, a unique situation indeed if he were a Mason because of his notoriety.”January 1, 2008 at 12:59 am#76366NickHassanParticipantFor ron888
January 2, 2008 at 1:38 am#76405AnonymousGuestR U blind retarded oh thats right ur a christian! still taking esotoric knowledge literaly fools, all religions are wrong from the beggining and part of a mind control experiment led perfected and updated by the government govern to control ment from mente your mind! you take stories and allogory's to be real and u make up a false history to proove these people really existed such as sol om on and jesus or is that his name ben panthera the trinity existed before christ becouse it is a story and allogory of the sun. freemasons are just an arm to the body of secret societies holding vital knowledge many would never accept becouse you dont want truth u want to defend a belief system and one of false belief and vile lies.
January 2, 2008 at 1:42 am#76406AnonymousGuestEvery freemason lodge has a bible becouse they and their kind are responsible and are thr true authors not mathew mark luke or paul these are titles added to documents with no name or chapter heading or verse.
January 2, 2008 at 2:49 am#76407davidParticipantQuote Every freemason lodge has a bible becouse they and their kind are responsible and are thr true authors not mathew mark luke or paul these are titles added to documents with no name or chapter heading or verse. Every hotel I've been in has had a Bible. I guess it's because they and their kind (the hotel people) are the true authors.
Wikipedia says:
“The Volume of the Sacred Law is always displayed in an open Lodge. In English-speaking countries, this is frequently the King James Version of the Bible or another standard translation; there is no such thing as an exclusive “Masonic Bible”.[23] In many French Lodges, the Masonic Constitutions are used instead. Furthermore, a candidate is given his choice of religious text for his Obligation, according to his beliefs. UGLE alludes to similarities to legal practice in the UK, and to a common source with other oath taking processes.[24][25][26][27] In Lodges with a membership of mixed religions it is common to find more than one sacred text displayed.”Also:
“Regular Freemasonry requires that its candidates believe in a Supreme Being, but the interpretation of the term is subject to the conscience of the candidate. This means that men from a wide range of faiths, including (but not limited to) Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, and Hinduism can and have become Masons.”January 2, 2008 at 5:20 am#76409AnonymousGuestyes and when u reach the 33 degree the hiest degree for a freemason it becomes clear they worship lucifer who also doesnt exist albert pike mentions that the masonic god is lucifer and well lucifer didnt create jack or shit so how is he the great architect? its all bs! Masons worship every diety ever thought of on their way to the 33rd degree and end up worshiping a three part trinity anyway Jah Bal On all three sylabols are references to three gods jah for jehova bal for baal or nimrod and on the egyption god osiris you can be from any religion and be a mason but u cant be an anarchist or athiest because they are threats to the lie see u can be a christian muslem or jew because you already believe a lie u can easily be guided but to someone seeking truth and answers and has an agenda for the people not for a society controlled by fascists you cant fool all the people all the time u might be able to blind some but the destruction of all religion is coming!
January 2, 2008 at 5:46 am#76410AnonymousGuestMormans are racists believing the black man is cursed by god from the mark of cain pike who created kkk was a mason and jesse behind the black movement was a mason they create enemies they created belief systems and mytrhs to controll and contain societies and to face them off against each other while they are planning it all and getting away with it its like 2pac said its not them thats killing us its us thats killing us but they add feul to the fire by forcing false beliefs and propaganda if it wasnt for the foriegn elites there would be no war in the middfle east. the war on terror is a war on us like a war on drugs is for independant drug dealers not the mafia mason controlled government. the war has taken away our liberties and freedoms and installed fear and like the cold war is funded both sides by the same brotherhoods
January 2, 2008 at 5:48 am#76411davidParticipantQuote the destruction of all religion is coming! I have believed that the destruction of what the Bible calls “babylon the great” is coming, yes. It is described as a great harlot who commits fornication with the political system of things. It is false religion and yes, it is coming to an end.
January 2, 2008 at 5:53 am#76412AnonymousGuestand every country has been drunk from her maddening wine, every country is controlled by the same network of symbol literate esotoric code working master builders and genocidal maniacs every world leader is involved and a good target for assassination every war was funded by these people population controll huh…. wait till we all know and we attack them like v for vandetta
January 3, 2008 at 12:02 am#76437davidParticipantI'm pretty sure it will be the U.N. along with this world's political system that will try to put an end to all religion in the name of “peace and security” as the Bible foretells.
REVELATION 18:1-24
“After these things I saw another angel descending from heaven, with great authority; and the earth was lighted up from his glory. And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a lurking place of every unclean exhalation and a lurking place of every unclean and hated bird! For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.” And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind. Render to her even as she herself rendered, and do to her twice as much, yes, twice the number of the things she did; in the cup in which she put a mixture put twice as much of the mixture for her. To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, ‘I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.’ That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong. “And the kings of the earth who committed fornication with her and lived in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her, when they look at the smoke from the burning of her, while they stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say, ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!’ “Also, the traveling merchants of the earth are weeping and mourning over her, because there is no one to buy their full stock anymore, a full stock of gold and silver and precious stone and pearls and fine linen and purple and silk and scarlet; and everything in scented wood and every sort of ivory object and every sort of object out of most precious wood and of copper and of iron and of marble; also cinnamon and Indian spice and incense and perfumed oil and frankincense and wine and olive oil and fine flour and wheat and cattle and sheep, and horses and coaches and slaves and human souls. Yes, the fine fruit that your soul desired has departed from you, and all the dainty things and the gorgeous things have perished from you, and never again will people find them. “The traveling merchants of these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of [their] fear of her torment and will weep and mourn, saying, ‘Too bad, too bad—the great city, clothed with fine linen and purple and scarlet, and richly adorned with gold ornament and precious stone and pearl, because in one hour such great riches have been devastated!’ “And every ship captain and every man that voyages anywhere, and sailors and all those who make a living by the sea, stood at a distance and cried out as they looked at the smoke from the burning of her and said, ‘What city is like the great city?’ And they threw dust upon their heads and cried out, weeping and mourning, and said, ‘Too bad, too bad—the great city, in which all those having boats at sea became rich by reason of her costliness, because in one hour she has been devastated!’ “Be glad over her, O heaven, also YOU holy ones and YOU apostles and YOU prophets, because God has judicially exacted punishment for YOU from her!” And a strong angel lifted up a stone like a great millstone and hurled it into the sea, saying: “Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again. And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp and of musicians and of flutists and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again, and no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone will ever be heard in you again, and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.””January 6, 2008 at 10:28 pm#76824apophisParticipantthats it get out of her and give her back double
January 7, 2008 at 12:28 am#76835apophisParticipantthe bible aint nothing more then zionist crap
January 7, 2008 at 4:09 pm#76950kenrchParticipantQuote (apophis @ Jan. 07 2008,11:28) the bible aint nothing more then zionist crap
And the beat goes on!January 4, 2009 at 8:30 pm#116595NickHassanParticipant4WOB
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February 25, 2010 at 9:40 pm#180302terrariccaParticipantnick
thanks i did not know there already was one topic on this ;i am familliar with the free mason ,and stay out of there perimeter,no truth there
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