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Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 17 2008,09:02) Nick.
I give up, read for yourself Matt.15:24. Take this scripture to your local school and find an English teacher to explain to you what this means.
Nick.Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 17 2008,09:02) Nick.
I give up, read for yourself Matt.15:24. Take this scripture to your local school and find an English teacher to explain to you what this means.
Again.Hi CO:
I asked you if you knew that you were saved or if only God knew for sure? And you stated that only God knew for sure.
I have shown you from the scriptures in the book of Romans which you have indicated are for us, Christians from the gentile nations, that we, as Christians, can know for certain that we are saved, and I have shown you how we enter into a personal relationship with God.
Romans 10:9-10 states that if we confess Jesus as our Lord we shall be saved. Romans 8:1 states:
Quote Rom 8:1 ¶ [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. However, there is a condition given in the above scripture in order for there to be no condemnation. We must be in Christ Jesus not walking after the flesh but after the Spirit.
Quote Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.The above scriptures state in order to live we must mortify the deeds of the flesh through the Spirit of God, and we are sons of God only if we are led by the Spirit of God.
It sounds that we must obey God in order to be saved. Perhaps the following scripture will make it a little clearer:
Quote Rom 6:15 ¶ What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?You have also indicated that what Jesus stated about being born again in the gospel of John did not apply to us but the following scriptures from the book of Romans show that we are born again which means that we are raised again from the dead by the Spirit of God just as Jesus was raised from the dead:
Quote Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Quote Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:
Quote Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
If we are children of God His Spirit dwells within us and bears witness that we are His children:
Quote Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Now you keep indicating that all if of God and that we do not have any part in our salvation.
All of humanity has sinned and if God had not sent His Only Begotten Son into the world to be the propitiation for our sins, and if God had not shown us how we should live to be in right standing with Him through the example of the life of Jesus, and if He did not dwell in us born again believers by His Spirit to help us to overcome sin, there would be not salvation. All of this is of God, and without Him saving us there would of course be no salvation.
What I mean by “free will” is that we have a choice as to whether or not we will obey God.
Before we were saved we were practicing sin wilfully and walking in darkness having know awareness of God. We did not have a personal relationship with Him, but he came looking for us sending His Word through the preacher:
Quote Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!And so, if we are saved, we heard through the preacher somewhere along the way and believed the gospel.
Quote Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Quote Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in themAnd so, it not because of our goodness but because of the goodness of God that we are saved.
Quote Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? After we believed with a repentant heart, our sins were washed away by the blood of our Lord Jesus and we were reconciled to God. God raised us from the dead by His Spirit and became the Father of our spirit, and as He leads us into all truths in His Word, we put into practice what He teaches us. He will discipline us as His children, and He will forgive
us when we aknowledge our mistakes as we obey Him, but as His children we do not practice sin wilfully, and so we have a choice as to whether or not we choose to come to God when whe hear the gospel, and we have a choice whether or not to obey the gospel.God Bless
Hi 94,
Rom 10 in context
Romans 10
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Can it be said of every man that he has zeal for God, that the Word of faith is in his heart and on his lips?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 18 2008,13:07) Hi 94,
Rom 10 in context
Romans 10
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Can it be said of every man that he has zeal for God, that the Word of faith is in his heart and on his lips?
Hi Nick:That is what the preacher is supposed to do is sow the Word of God in a person's heart.
As you have been trying to convince CO, the gospel is one gospel which is to be preached to the Jews and the gentiles.
Quote Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!God Bless
Hi 942767.
Thanks for your reply.
You say: Romans 10:9-10 states that if we confess Jesus as our Lord we shall be saved. Romans 8:1 states:Quote
Rom 8:1 ¶ [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.However, there is a condition given in the above scripture in order for there to be no condemnation. We must be in Christ Jesus not walking after the flesh but after the Spirit.
ANSWER: I agree that there is a condition “that there be no condemnation”. BUT, it is not of us that can meet that condition. See 2Cor.5:18-19 …18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.
Notice it is God who has “conciliated the world to Himself, not reckoning our sins against us”? It is NOT of us that we have “no condemnation”. We do not have to “allow” or do “something” to recieve this blessing. It is by the “Grace of God”. He, through His 'Holy Spirit', changes our heart. It is “All of God”.Also, you say: And so, it not because of our goodness but because of the goodness of God that we are saved.
After we believed with a repentant heart, our sins were washed away by the blood of our Lord Jesus and we were reconciled to God. God raised us from the dead by His Spirit and became the Father of our spirit, and as He leads us into all truths in His Word, we put into practice what He teaches us. He will discipline us as His children, and He will forgive us when we aknowledge our mistakes as we obey Him, but as His children we do not practice sin wilfully, and so we have a choice as to whether or not we choose to come to God when whe hear the gospel, and we have a choice whether or not to obey the gospel.
ANSWER: It is God who does it all, See Eph.2:10 …For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.
Notice it doesn't say anything that “we” accomplish this with our own efforts.
Such a powerfull scripture “HIS ACHIEVMENT ARE WE”.
In summing things up, these two scriptures should express my beliefs:
Eph.1:7-11 …7 in Whom we are having the deliverance through His blood, the forgiveness of offenses in accord with the riches of His grace,
8 which He lavishes on us; in all wisdom and prudence
9 making known to us the secret of His will (in accord with His delight, which He purposed in Him)
10 to have an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ — both that in the heavens and that on the earth —
11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,and
Ro.11:34-36 …34 For, who knew the mind of the Lord? or, who became His adviser?
35 or, who gives to Him first, and it will be repaid Him?
36 seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!I find that if scripture appears to be contradictory, then we have misunderstood something. All scripture should agree, in context, with all other scripture.
What you quote, seems to be that we have to do “something” for salvation, this contradicts scriptures I have just quoted. If we understand that “All is of God”, scripture agrees with itself. Even if it says “choose”, it is God working in us that makes the choice.
We do not have “free will” (God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will”.)Blessings.
PS. Also you said: I asked you if you knew that you were saved or if only God knew for sure? And you stated that only God knew for sure.
ANSWER: Of course, “Tim.4:9-11 …that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 18 2008,13:58) Hi 942767.
Thanks for your reply.
You say: Romans 10:9-10 states that if we confess Jesus as our Lord we shall be saved. Romans 8:1 states:Quote
Rom 8:1 ¶ [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.However, there is a condition given in the above scripture in order for there to be no condemnation. We must be in Christ Jesus not walking after the flesh but after the Spirit.
ANSWER: I agree that there is a condition “that there be no condemnation”. BUT, it is not of us that can meet that condition. See 2Cor.5:18-19 …18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.
Notice it is God who has “conciliated the world to Himself, not reckoning our sins against us”? It is NOT of us that we have “no condemnation”. We do not have to “allow” or do “something” to recieve this blessing. It is by the “Grace of God”. He, through His 'Holy Spirit', changes our heart. It is “All of God”.Also, you say: And so, it not because of our goodness but because of the goodness of God that we are saved.
After we believed with a repentant heart, our sins were washed away by the blood of our Lord Jesus and we were reconciled to God. God raised us from the dead by His Spirit and became the Father of our spirit, and as He leads us into all truths in His Word, we put into practice what He teaches us. He will discipline us as His children, and He will forgive us when we aknowledge our mistakes as we obey Him, but as His children we do not practice sin wilfully, and so we have a choice as to whether or not we choose to come to God when whe hear the gospel, and we have a choice whether or not to obey the gospel.
ANSWER: It is God who does it all, See Eph.2:10 …For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.
Notice it doesn't say anything that “we” accomplish this with our own efforts.
Such a powerfull scripture “HIS ACHIEVMENT ARE WE”.
In summing things up, these two scriptures should express my beliefs:
Eph.1:7-11 …7 in Whom we are having the deliverance through His blood, the forgiveness of offenses in accord with the riches of His grace,
8 which He lavishes on us; in all wisdom and prudence
9 making known to us the secret of His will (in accord with His delight, which He purposed in Him)
10 to have an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ — both that in the heavens and that on the earth —
11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,and
Ro.11:34-36 …34 For, who knew the mind of the Lord? or, who became His adviser?
35 or, who gives to Him first, and it will be repaid Him?
36 seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!I find that if scripture appears to be contradictory, then we have misunderstood something. All scripture should agree, in context, with all other scripture.
What you quote, seems to be that we have to do “something” for salvation, this contradicts scriptures I have just quoted. If we understand that “All is of God”, scripture agrees with itself. Even if it says “choose”, it is God working in us that makes the choice.
We do not have “free will” (God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will”.)Blessings.
PS. Also you said: I asked you if you knew that you were saved or if only God knew for sure? And you stated that only God knew for sure.
ANSWER: Of course, “Tim.4:9-11 …that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.
Hi CO:And so, since all is of God, are you saying that we, as Christians, do not have to obey the Word of God?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 18 2008,15:06) Hi 94,
Rom 10 is not the gospel of the kingdom.
Hi Nick:To what is the Apostle Paul referring in Romans 10 when he speaks about salvation? Is the Jew saved one way and the gentile another?
What about the following verse?
Quote Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! Hi 94,
The book of Romans is written to the neophyte Christians of Jewish stock.
They were already initiated into Christ but were not embedding their faith and letting Christ's Spirit rule.
It was not offering a new way of salvation to all men but encouraigng those trying to turn back to walk in the Spirit.Quote (942767 @ Oct. 18 2008,14:43) Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 18 2008,13:58) Hi 942767.
Thanks for your reply.
You say: Romans 10:9-10 states that if we confess Jesus as our Lord we shall be saved. Romans 8:1 states:Quote
Rom 8:1 ¶ [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.However, there is a condition given in the above scripture in order for there to be no condemnation. We must be in Christ Jesus not walking after the flesh but after the Spirit.
ANSWER: I agree that there is a condition “that there be no condemnation”. BUT, it is not of us that can meet that condition. See 2Cor.5:18-19 …18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.
Notice it is God who has “conciliated the world to Himself, not reckoning our sins against us”? It is NOT of us that we have “no condemnation”. We do not have to “allow” or do “something” to recieve this blessing. It is by the “Grace of God”. He, through His 'Holy Spirit', changes our heart. It is “All of God”.Also, you say: And so, it not because of our goodness but because of the goodness of God that we are saved.
After we believed with a repentant heart, our sins were washed away by the blood of our Lord Jesus and we were reconciled to God. God raised us from the dead by His Spirit and became the Father of our spirit, and as He leads us into all truths in His Word, we put into practice what He teaches us. He will discipline us as His children, and He will forgive us when we aknowledge our mistakes as we obey Him, but as His children we do not practice sin wilfully, and so we have a choice as to whether or not we choose to come to God when whe hear the gospel, and we have a choice whether or not to obey the gospel.
ANSWER: It is God who does it all, See Eph.2:10 …For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.
Notice it doesn't say anything that “we” accomplish this with our own efforts.
Such a powerfull scripture “HIS ACHIEVMENT ARE WE”.
In summing things up, these two scriptures should express my beliefs:
Eph.1:7-11 …7 in Whom we are having the deliverance through His blood, the forgiveness of offenses in accord with the riches of His grace,
8 which He lavishes on us; in all wisdom and prudence
9 making known to us the secret of His will (in accord with His delight, which He purposed in Him)
10 to have an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ — both that in the heavens and that on the earth —
11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,and
Ro.11:34-36 …34 For, who knew the mind of the Lord? or, who became His adviser?
35 or, who gives to Him first, and it will be repaid Him?
36 seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!I find that if scripture appears to be contradictory, then we have misunderstood something. All scripture should agree, in context, with all other scripture.
What you quote, seems to be that we have to do “something” for salvation, this contradicts scriptures I have just quoted. If we understand that “All is of God”, scripture agrees with itself. Even if it says “choose”, it is God working in us that makes the choice.
We do not have “free will” (God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will”.)Blessings.
PS. Also you said: I asked you if you knew that you were saved or if only God knew for sure? And you stated that only God knew for sure.
ANSWER: Of course, “Tim.4:9-11 …that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.
Hi CO:And so, since all is of God, are you saying that we, as Christians, do not have to obey the Word of God?
Hi 942767.
No, I am not saying that we do not have to obey the word of God. What I am saying is that it is God working in us, that will change our heart, and we will obey His word willingly. This is written in Phil.2:13 … for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight.
Do you not believe what this says?Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 18 2008,17:30) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 18 2008,14:43) Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 18 2008,13:58) Hi 942767.
Thanks for your reply.
You say: Romans 10:9-10 states that if we confess Jesus as our Lord we shall be saved. Romans 8:1 states:Quote
Rom 8:1 ¶ [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.However, there is a condition given in the above scripture in order for there to be no condemnation. We must be in Christ Jesus not walking after the flesh but after the Spirit.
ANSWER: I agree that there is a condition “that there be no condemnation”. BUT, it is not of us that can meet that condition. See 2Cor.5:18-19 …18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.
Notice it is God who has “conciliated the world to Himself, not reckoning our sins against us”? It is NOT of us that we have “no condemnation”. We do not have to “allow” or do “something” to recieve this blessing. It is by the “Grace of God”. He, through His 'Holy Spirit', changes our heart. It is “All of God”.Also, you say: And so, it not because of our goodness but because of the goodness of God that we are saved.
After we believed with a repentant heart, our sins were washed away by the blood of our Lord Jesus and we were reconciled to God. God raised us from the dead by His Spirit and became the Father of our spirit, and as He leads us into all truths in His Word, we put into practice what He teaches us. He will discipline us as His children, and He will forgive us when we aknowledge our mistakes as we obey Him, but as His children we do not practice sin wilfully, and so we have a choice as to whether or not we choose to come to God when whe hear the gospel, and we have a choice whether or not to obey the gospel.
ANSWER: It is God who does it all, See Eph.2:10 …For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.
Notice it doesn't say anything that “we” accomplish this with our own efforts.
Such a powerfull scripture “HIS ACHIEVMENT ARE WE”.
In summing things up, these two scriptures should express my beliefs:
Eph.1:7-11 …7 in Whom we are having the deliverance through His blood, the forgiveness of offenses in accord with the riches of His grace,
8 which He lavishes on us; in all wisdom and prudence
9 making known to us the secret of His will (in accord with His delight, which He purposed in Him)
10 to have an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ — both that in the heavens and that on the earth —
11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,and
Ro.11:34-36 …34 For, who knew the mind of the Lord? or, who became His adviser?
35 or, who gives to Him first, and it will be repaid Him?
36 seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!I find that if scripture appears to be contradictory, then we have misunderstood something. All scripture should agree, in context, with all other scripture.
What you quote, seems to be that we have to do “something” for salvation, this contradicts scriptures I have just quoted. If we understand that “All is of God”, scripture agrees with itself. Even if it says “choose”, it is God working in us that makes the choice.
We do not have “free will” (God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will”.)Blessings.
PS. Also you said: I asked you if you knew that you were saved or if only God knew for sure? And you stated that only God knew for sure.
ANSWER: Of course, “Tim.4:9-11 …that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.
Hi CO:And so, since all is of God, are you saying that we, as Christians, do not have to obey the Word of God?
Hi 942767.
No, I am not saying that we do not have to obey the word of God. What I am saying is that it is God working in us, that will change our heart, and we will obey His word willingly. This is written in Phil.2:13 … for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight.
Do you not believe what this says?Blessings.
Hi CO:Yes, I believe that God is working in us to accomplish His purpose in our lives because He loves us and also that He might be glorified through the life that we live in obedience to Him, but we have a choice. God does not force us to do any thing, and we are not robots that are programmed to do what He says automatically. In other words, we have the freedom to choose which is what I mean by “free will”. Jesus said: if you love me keep my commandments, and I do and so I obey him out of my love for him, for God, and for humanity.
Quote Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.God Bless
Hi 94,
And the WE and the US you speak of are not the heathen masses.God does not LIVE IN sinners but in those made clean.
Sinners are not made one with the holy one who did not sin but only cleansed men are.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 18 2008,16:39) Hi 94,
The book of Romans is written to the neophyte Christians of Jewish stock.
They were already initiated into Christ but were not embedding their faith and letting Christ's Spirit rule.
It was not offering a new way of salvation to all men but encouraigng those trying to turn back to walk in the Spirit.
Hi Nick:There is only one way to be saved, and that is by reconciled to God through the Lord Jesus.
What then is the gospel according to you?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 19 2008,05:16) Hi 94,
And the WE and the US you speak of are not the heathen masses.God does not LIVE IN sinners but in those made clean.
Sinners are not made one with the holy one who did not sin but only cleansed men are.
Hi Nick:Please explain what to what you are referring. I am not understanding what you are saying.
Hi 94,
You say[emphasis mine]
“Yes, I believe that God is working in US to accomplish His purpose in our lives because He loves US and also that He might be glorified through the life that WE live in obedience to Him, but WE have a choice. “God does not live in all men.
He wants us to give His Spirit a home.
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