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Hi,
CO uses this mantra frequently.“All scripture is for us, but not all scripture is about us”.
He uses it to justify not listening to the gospel of Jesus.
That does not seem a wise choice.Sounds clever but what does it mean?
It is not a scripture as far as I know so just a human doctrinal tool.
What is preached is about a kingdom so does not differentiate between groups.
If the preaching and teaching of Jesus is for all why close our ears?
He is our eternal teacher too.The followers of Jesus also preached and taught about the same kingdom.
Christ is not divided.There is no teacher in the church greater than Jesus. Amen?
Call no man rabbi.If it was true does it mean that what is preached to one group cannot possibly apply to another?
But we are made one.Does it mean that if Jesus preached to the Jews his words are irrelevant to the rest?
But his words are eternal.So this is an empty and useless claim that does not even form any sort of useful foundation for a divided gospel teaching that is based on it. Best put away
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 19 2008,18:53) Hi,
CO uses this mantra frequently.“All scripture is for us, but not all scripture is about us”.
He uses it to justify not listening to the gospel of Jesus.
That does not seem a wise choice.Sounds clever but what does it mean?
It is not a scripture as far as I know so just a human doctrinal tool.
What is preached is about a kingdom so does not differentiate between groups.
If the preaching and teaching of Jesus is for all why close our ears?
He is our eternal teacher too.The followers of Jesus also preached and taught about the same kingdom.
Christ is not divided.There is no teacher in the church greater than Jesus. Amen?
Call no man rabbi.If it was true does it mean that what is preached to one group cannot possibly apply to another?
But we are made one.Does it mean that if Jesus preached to the Jews his words are irrelevant to the rest?
But his words are eternal.So this is an empty and useless claim that does not even form any sort of useful foundation for a divided gospel teaching that is based on it. Best put away
Greetings Nick…..I agree this indeed is an inane analogy about scripture…..One only has to examine the theme of all scripture and you can see that it is here for instruction and for warning….in addition the scripture speaks voluminously abot israel and because we are the decendents that would qualify as beiing spoken about….wouldn't you think ??“All scripture is FOR US, but not all scripture is ABOUT US”.
Many claim to understanding scripture, but when Jesus said: …”I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
they won't believe His very words, having their own “gospel”, replacing “their” gospel as truth.Hi CO,
You say all scripture is FOR YOU but then say it is only FOR the Jews?
Right first time so why not receive it?Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 27 2008,07:19) “All scripture is FOR US, but not all scripture is ABOUT US”. Many claim to understanding scripture, but when Jesus said: …”I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
they won't believe His very words, having their own “gospel”, replacing “their” gospel as truth.
Hi CO:What then is the gospel according to you that is for you?
Matt.15:24 …24 Now He (Jesus), answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Ro.15:8-9 …For I am saying that Christ has become the Servant of the Circumcision, for the sake of the truth of God, to confirm the patriarchal promises.
9 Yet the nations are to glorify God for His mercy, according as it is written, “Therefore I shall be acclaiming Thee among the nations,” “And to Thy name shall I be playing music.”Ro.15:15-16 …15 Yet more daringly do I write to you, in part, as prompting you, because of the grace being given to me from God,
16 for me to be the minister of Christ Jesus for the nations, acting as a priest of the evangel of God, that the approach present of the nations may be becoming well received, having been hallowed by holy spirit.Eph.3:8-11 …8 To me (Paul), less than the least of all saints, was granted this grace: to bring the evangel of the untraceable riches of Christ to the nations,
9 and to enlighten all as to what is the administration of the secret, which has been concealed from the eons in God, Who creates all,
10 that now may be made known to the sovereignties and the authorities among the celestials, through the ecclesia, the multifarious wisdom of God,
11 in accord with the purpose of the eons, which He makes in Christ Jesus, our Lord;Hope this answers your questions.
Lu.1:59 …And it occurred on the eighth day, they came to circumcise the little boy, and they called him by the name of his father, Zechariah.
Lu.2:21 …And when the eight days to His circumcising are fulfilled, His name also was called Jesus, which He was called by the messenger before His conception in the womb.
Act.7:8 … 8 “And He gives him the covenant of circumcision. And thus he begets Isaac, and circumcised him on the eighth day, and Isaac Jacob, and Jacob the twelve patriarchs.
John.7:22-23 …22 Therefore Moses has given you circumcision (not that it is of Moses, but that it is of the fathers) and on a sabbath you are circumcising a man.
23 If a man is getting circumcision on a sabbath lest the law of Moses may be annulled, am I raising your bile, seeing that I make a whole man sound on a sabbath?Those of you who believe that Jesus' teaching is FOR us, (confused as to ABOUT us), (Nick Hassen comes to mind) then please give us the date you were circumcised. I'm sure Nick would be grateful to share with us his experience of this great event that he did, following His (Jesus) example, according to scriptures above.
Blessings.
chosenone, we may disagree on many issues, but we probably agree that Nick is very superficial in his reading of points, and is too concerned with form over substance, that is, the substance or the meaning of points being made, as Nick gets too caught up in the form of the words, and the meaning HE pours into them, and then he proceeds to disagree with something that you might not have even said. Quite convenient way to get your post number up
😉 …. now while I disagree with many points in Dispenasationalism, and even more so in what I would term Hyper-Dispensationalism, one thing I do know, however, is that when the scriptures command us to make sacrifices at the altar, (see Lev. chapter 17ff) I do not go looking for a suitable lamb, goat, bull, bird, or grain to burn at the altar, for I know that those words of command are not to be followed by me, for they were written before Jesus came and fulfilled the points being raised about the need for continual sacrifices to be made. In THAT sense, I totally agree, as does Nick and every other new covenant Christian whether they admit it or not, with “All scripture is for us, but not all scripture is about us”.blessings,
KenPS, I am not sure of the exact date I was circumcised, but since my parents were gentiles, it had no great significance for me or them, except that they thought they were doing the best thing for me in terms of physical health
Hi KC,
Is it not written that you must be born again of water and the Spirit?
Has the message Peter gave at Pentecost lost it's power?
No the words are eternal and of power.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 09 2008,16:52) Hi CO,
The new circumcision is baptism[col2]
For me 25 years ago.
Nick.
Jesus was under the “law”, He taught, and He Himself kept, the Law, to be circumcised eight days after birth. If, as you say, His teaching is the “one eternal gospel for all”, then why are you changing it?Blessings.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 09 2008,16:52) Hi CO,
The new circumcision is baptism[col2]
For me 25 years ago.
that is quite beside the point…. and… the point is, you do not obey ALL the Scriptural commands, eg preparing sacrifices, the command to not eat pork, the command to not trim off the hair on your temples or trim your beards, etc etc etc…. so why are you disobedient to the Scriptures Nick? I do not see any Scripture that says that simply because you were baptized you do not have to be circumcised…. Paul even went and had Timothy circumcised. But lets suppose you can garner enough Scriptures to prove that you no longer have to be circumcised, there are still a great many other commands in Scripture that you do not follow… why is that Nick?blessings,
KenQuote (chosenone @ Nov. 09 2008,17:17) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 09 2008,16:52) Hi CO,
The new circumcision is baptism[col2]
For me 25 years ago.
Nick.
Jesus was under the “law”, He taught, and He Himself kept, the Law, to be circumcised eight days after birth. If, as you say, His teaching is the “one eternal gospel for all”, then why are you changing it?Blessings.
Hi CO,
Do you think entering the kingdom of heaven is of the OT law?Hi CO,
I believe they are eternal words and do not change them.
But as you say they do not all relate directly to all.
We do not all have to pick up our beds and walk.Nick.
So why did Paul have to “complete the word of God” if Jesus' words were the “eternal gospel for all”?Nick.
Eph.6:19 … that to me (Paul) expression may be granted, in the opening of my mouth with boldness, to make known the secret of the evangel,Eph.3:1-7 … 1 On this behalf I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you, the nations —
2 since you surely hear of the administration of the grace of God that is given to me for you,
3 for by revelation the secret is made known to me (according as I write before, in brief,
4 by which you who are reading are able to apprehend my understanding in the secret of the Christ,
5 which, in other generations, is not made known to the sons of humanity as it was now revealed to His holy apostles and prophets): in spirit
6 the nations are to be joint enjoyers of an allotment, and a joint body, and joint partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus, through the evangel
7 of which I became the dispenser, in accord with the gratuity of the grace of God, which is granted to me in accord with His powerful operationIf Jesus taught “the eternal gospel for all” [not biblical], why was Paul revealing this “secret”, that was not known before?
Obviously, Nicks “eternal gospel for all”, needed refreshing!
Blessings.
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