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Bod wrote to us at our website (ThePathofTruth.com):
What happened? You accepted the invitation to discuss your faulty positions and then simply vanished, you have spent so much time exposing others it is now your turn to be challenged.
If you wish not to engage please remove your false information about Islam
We reply:
Bodhitharta,
We accepted the invitation not to “discuss our faulty positions,” but to speak the truth, which we did. We soon confirmed the complaints of others on that forum that you cannot be reasoned with. Your truth is your truth and anything anyone else says means nothing to you. There is no arguing or discussing with you. You believe you are right, yet you are without reason. You are evasive, contradictory, and trust not in truth, but in tactics of debate and power to persuade.
Furthermore, it was fully evident that you did not read the links we gave you that you might truly hear us out in what we have to say. Had you done so, you wouldn’t have asked the unlearned and repeated questions you did, which, in those links, are answered. That will never do for God, for us or for any reasonable person. However, if still willing, read this entire section:
http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/jesusisgod/index.htm
Not that we expect you to understand, because it is written:
1 Corinthians 2:12-16 MKJV
(12) But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God.
(13) These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14) But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(15) But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one.
(16) For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.At one point, we wrote to you: “Those are things [truths] you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him [Jesus Christ]. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.”
You replied:
“Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you”To which we replied:
“Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on. All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.”
We accepted your declaration to let God judge and be a witness between you and us. Like we said, all else was vain with you. Our words repeated: “All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening.”
So why are we responding to you now? We respond to make the record very public and our stand crystal clear for all to witness: According to the words out of your own mouth, to which we agree, God will manifest His judgment as to whose God is the True God, yours, or ours.
So we have absolute confidence by the gift of faith the Lord Jesus Christ has given us to let Him judge between you and us, even as you suggested, if not declared. Shall we not leave it at that and watch? Our God does not need our help. He is quite Sufficient for any task. What think you of yours?
If your Allah is God Almighty, then may you prevail over us and may we be rebuked for our error, but if Jesus Christ is Almighty God and Lord of all, then may you be exposed in your darkness we say you are steeped in.
As for your request of our removing the “false information about Islam,” you don’t specify what precisely we said that was false. However, we reply that Islam IS falsehood, entirely. If there is falsehood about falsehood it would be to say that Islam is truth, which it is not, and we didn’t say it. If we did say it, we would be liars like unto you, who prefer to believe and to speak lies. We give you our Lord’s reply He gave to the unbelieving Jews in His day, to people such as yourself:
“Jesus answered, If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I should say I do not know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I know Him and I keep His Word” (John 8:54-55 MKJV).
Which now brings us to suggest to you that which you request of us, Bod: How about you removing your false information about God and Jesus Christ and true faith? God indeed gave His only begotten Son, the Son you, Muhammad, and all Muslims deny, for the salvation of the world, including yours:
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16 MKJV).
We have that eternal life even now, with assurance we are His sons because we are born again, forgiven of all our sins, and seated with Him in the Heavens as, and from where, we speak. Islam, Muhammad and Allah can never do this for you or for anyone. Jesus Christ has done it for us. While we commune with Him daily, your Muhammad has not peeped a word. That is simply because Jesus Christ, being God, lives, while Muhammad, but a man, is dead.
That you remove your falsehoods is a suggestion and not a request. We aren’t worried about your public lies. Our God can take care of Himself and soon you will see it, we assure you. But Muslims have this unfortunate, insecure, fear-born belief and disposition that drives them to think they must defend their god, a warring god, a ruthless god, a god that teaches only might to be right, and that only what is good for a Muslim is right.
(Have you red Wafa Sultan’s book, A God Who Hates? She is remarkably incisive and accurate for one who doesn’t believe as we do – at least not that we are aware as yet. Good reading…an eye opener you may wish to pick up.)
We see Muslims throughout the world, rioting in frenzied rage and madness, destroying and being destroyed. Our God is not this monster you have in your minds and hearts. Our God is much greater than that, believe me, and He will show you so, as I have said.
Have we “simply vanished,” as though stumped or defeated? No, you are mistaken, Bod. We are here, neither hiding nor running, and we plan to post all our correspondence with you in its entirety on our site, Lord willing, even though you mistakenly, foolishly presume to have gotten the better of us. We know otherwise and Jesus Christ our Lord, not we, will prove it to those whom He chooses to grace with truth, peace, and everlasting life. We have exposed others and we have exposed, and will expose, you, as well.
So we have not wished to not engage, except that we have gladly determined to take you up on the words spoken out of your own mouth and have God judge between you and us. You haven’t too long to wait.
Do you have faith in your god that you can leave the matter in his hands, according to your word, “Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you,” as we do with our God, or will you see the necessity to take matters into your own hands, as multitudes of Islamists like you have murde
rously done countless times in your history to this very hour? Should you do so, here is a Word for you from Almighty God, Jesus Christ:“And if anyone will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone will hurt them, so it is right for him to be killed”
(Revelation 11:5 MKJV).Better you should repent of breaking His Law and trusting in your own righteousness, which, to God, is as filthy menstrual rags. Better to repent, believe, and enjoy eternal life, His love.
Express, though highly unworthy, servants of Jesus Christ, in His perfect, faithful care,
Victor and Paul
http://www.ThePathofTruth.comQuote “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”
-the marvelous physicist Steven WeinbergQuote “We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another.”
-Jonathan SwiftWas he saying that MORE christianity would have helped things??
Quote “The tendency to turn human judgments into divine commands makes religion one of the most dangerous forces in the world.”
-Georgia HarknessAnd indeed she has the problem as a theologian of demonstrating that humans are able to make any judgements about the thoughts of supernatural beings, which I am sure she herself would have done often.
Quote “Religion consists of a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain”
-the superb Mark TwainQuote “If there is a God, atheism must seem to Him as less of an insult than religion.”
-Edmond de GoncourtValuable post, dirtyknections. Actual food for thought. Your point is about traditions versus scripture I guess, but why not take it to its logical conclusion?
God belief according to the Judeo-christian scriptures is an insult to human dignity. We just have too much of that as well, more so when you consider creationists and other idiot literalists. Claiming to know what god wants others to do should really be seen as the borderline personality disorder that it is. Wishing religious dogmas to be true is surely a life half-lived. Atheism is only an insult to those who confuse their own identity with the crazy ideas they carry in their heads.
Stuart
Quote (PaulCohen @ Nov. 07 2010,02:16) Quote Bod wrote to us at our website (ThePathofTruth.com): What happened? You accepted the invitation to discuss your faulty positions and then simply vanished, you have spent so much time exposing others it is now your turn to be challenged.
If you wish not to engage please remove your false information about Islam
Yes, that is what I wrote and your information about Islam is False
For instance one claim that you should remove and stop embarrasing yourself is this qouted from your site
Quote Islam directly contradicts the Record of God of the coming of His Christ This is what is written in the Quran:
Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)So in that point you misrepresented the truth and what's more you really show that you have never read nor know anything about the Quran other than to cherry pick from an anti-Islam source.
Quote We reply: Bodhitharta,
We accepted the invitation not to “discuss our faulty positions,” but to speak the truth, which we did.
You do have faulty positions one of which I just pointed out to you but will you correct it are you going to correct yourself from bearing False Witness?
Quote We soon confirmed the complaints of others on that forum that you cannot be reasoned with. Your truth is your truth and anything anyone else says means nothing to you. I have said let's reason together so please don't disregard that
Quote There is no arguing or discussing with you. You believe you are right, yet you are without reason. You are evasive, contradictory, and trust not in truth, but in tactics of debate and power to persuade. In your case it is not proper for you to say such things considering that I have only had very little communication so far with you so when I felt that you were evading the challenge I simply e-mailed you to ask what happened to you guys taking so long to respond as if you don't know what to say but usually being so quick to judge everyone else
Quote if still willing, read this entire section: http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/jesusisgod/index.htm
Let me just explain a few things to you reading these sections simply allow me to understand that you have gotten rid of some of your former beliefs such as the trinity which is good for you but no Muslim is ever taught such nonsense:
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)Quote At one point, we wrote to you: “Those are things [truths] you aren’t aware of, Bod, because you have never met and spoken with Him [Jesus Christ]. You have never been born again. We have, and we know whereof we speak, being at the throne, at the Source, which all His sons are.” Once again if you had right knowledge you would know that I am born again but how could you know such things:
John 3:8 (King James Version)
8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.Quote You replied: “Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you”To which we replied:
“Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on.
Then you vanished! Truth stands far out from error it is error that vanished away
Quote All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening. But now we will let God decide. He is the One in charge and will make known who is His, who isn’t, who speaks the truth, and who doesn’t, leaving no doubt for all onlookers. He will answer this request of yours, because He wholeheartedly concurs with it, as do we.” And then you vanished and that's because you call The Father “The Son” therefore denying both. You call God HIS own Christ, have you know sense?
Quote We accepted your declaration to let God judge and be a witness between you and us. Like we said, all else was vain with you. Our words repeated: “All this other talk isn't going anywhere; you aren't listening.” You haven't been saying anything hence my getting in touch with you to see what you have to say
Quote So why are we responding to you now? Spare time on your hands, I don't know because once again this post is not about anything other than to say you haven't forgot about my challenge which you already made a post stating, if your too busy to talk about the things of God just say so or set a time to do so but don't feign interest in a debate you really don't want.
Quote We respond to make the record very public and our stand crystal clear for all to witness: According to the words out of your own mouth, to which we agree, God will manifest His judgment as to whose God is the True God, yours, or ours. Now here is your most vital flaw and what definitely God will attest to, you like some others here keep saying that there is more than ONE GOD, your entire way of thinking is flawed with this you have a POLYTHEISTIC consciousness, no doubt left over from catholic days of belief.
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deuteronomy 6:3-5Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isaiah 44:7-9I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isaiah 45:4-6Yet you keep speaking of “gods” That is your most fatal flaw and disrespect towards the sovereignty of God Almighty/Allah
Because when a Muslim speaks of God he realizes there is no other God to speak of but you don't know? Receive admonishment!
And your Allah is ONE Allah. There is no GOD but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #163)Quote So we have absolute confidence by the gift of faith the Lord Jesus Christ has given us to let Him judge between you and us, even as you suggested, if not declared. And Jesus said:
Luke 12:14 (King James Version)
14And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?Quote Shall we not leave it at that and watch? Our God does not need our help. He is quite Sufficient for any task. What think you of yours? There is no god but God and it is the same God that Jesus says:
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:2-4If Jesus was God who is Jesus calling THE TRUE GOD?
Quote If your Allah is God Almighty, then may you prevail over us and may we be rebuked for our error, but if Jesus Christ is Almighty God and Lord of all, then may you be exposed in your darkness we say you are steeped in. I AGREE 100% so(God willing) when by the Grace and Power of God I show you what you ought to know you will concede the truth on this site and your own and I will agree to the same as what I am saying is the truth and buy the Power of The Holy Spirit I will deliver it to you with love and integrity careful not to harm your faith but strengthen it in a way to uplift you to where you can say. Amen that the truth has been delivered to you and you may procede from there. You have gotten to the door(Jesus) but now I invite you to walk through the door and find THE GOD of JESUS so that you can truly overcome.
LOOK:
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Revelation 3:11-13Who is this GOD that Jesus worships? Soon you will know
Quote As for your request of our removing the “false information about Islam,” you don’t specify what precisely we said that was false. However, we reply that Islam IS falsehood, entirely. If there is falsehood about falsehood it would be to say that Islam is truth, which it is not, and we didn’t say it. If we did say it, we would be liars like unto you, who prefer to believe and to speak lies. We give you our Lord’s reply He gave to the unbelieving Jews in His day, to people such as yourself: “Jesus answered, If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I should say I do not know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I know Him and I keep His Word” (John 8:54-55 MKJV).
So if Jesus knows HIM and keeps HIS word, who is this God he is obeying and keeping HIS word?
Quote Which now brings us to suggest to you that which you request of us, Bod: How about you removing your false information about God and Jesus Christ and true faith? God indeed gave His only begotten Son, the Son you, Muhammad, and all Muslims deny, for the salvation of the world, including yours: You said God is his Son so who gave who? You essentially believe God gave HIMSELF but that is not what the scriptures teach
Quote “For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16 MKJV). Let's make it clear: You believe God came in the FLESH, I believe that Christ , The word of God came in the FLESH. If God came in the flesh HE sent no one and that's what you believe
Quote We have that eternal life even now, with assurance we are His sons because we are born again, forgiven of all our sins, and seated with Him in the Heavens as, and from where, we speak. Islam, Muhammad and Allah can never do this for you or for anyone. So now you claim to know who is on the left or right of Christ but although you call Jesus “God” he does not even have that authority
Jesus says:
But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
Mark 10:39-41Did you read that? Read it again
Quote Jesus Christ has done it for us. While we commune with Him daily, your Muhammad has not peeped a word. That is simply because Jesus Christ, being God, lives, while Muhammad, but a man, is dead. He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Mark 12:26-28But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad – for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.
( سورة محمد , Muhammad, Chapter #47, Verse #2)Muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #144)Quote
That you remove your falsehoods is a suggestion and not a request. We aren’t worried about your public lies.Good, because I don't carry out such things and I don't believe you intentionally mislead others but you do when you don't know what you are talking about or misunderstand what you are talking about so my challenge to you is to make you a better you, not to condemn you.
Quote Our God can take care of Himself and soon you will see it, we assure you. But Muslims have this unfortunate, insecure, fear-born belief and disposition that drives them to think they must defend their god, a warring god, a ruthless god, a god that teaches only might to be right, and that only what is good for a Muslim is right. Is Jesus the Lord God or not?
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Exodus 15:2-4The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
Isaiah 42:12-14Do you accept this is not Jesus?
Quote (Have you red Wafa Sultan’s book, A God Who Hates? She is remarkably incisive and accurate for one who doesn’t believe as we do – at least not that we are aware as yet. Good reading…an eye opener you may wish to pick up.) You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
Deuteronomy 12:30-32What God hates Human sacrifice? not according to you, you believe no sacrifice no salvation but not OUR GOD(Mines and yours)
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hosea 6:5-7Quote We see Muslims throughout the world, rioting in frenzied rage and madness, destroying and being destroyed. Our God is not this monster you have in your minds and hearts. Our God is much greater than that, believe me, and He will show you so, as I have said. Did Jesus say this or not?
And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Exodus 32:26-28Did Jesus say this or not?
Now the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’
1 Samuel 15:17-19If Jesus did not say these things that the Holy Bible attribute to God then Jesus is not God and if he did say these things please explain them
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 07 2010,07:29) Quote You replied: “Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you”To which we replied:
“Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on.
Muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #144).
Mohammad the False Prophet2Cor.11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel;
for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no
great thing if his (satan called allah) ministers also be transformed as the
ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Gal.1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed..
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 07 2010,13:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 07 2010,07:29) Quote You replied: “Now, you can even know my relationship with God? Lol…Lol
Let God judge that one and be a witness between me and you”To which we replied:
“Amen, Bod. You said it there. Let’s get it on.
Muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #144).
Mohammad the False Prophet2Cor.11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel;
for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no
great thing if his (satan called allah) ministers also be transformed as the
ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Gal.1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed..
ED,You are speaking of yourself
Bod, you complain when we prove the Koran is false, presumably using this quote from our site to buttress your argument:
“Islam directly contradicts the Record of God of the coming of His Christ“
Your response:
“This is what is written in the Quran:
Behold! the angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)So in that point you misrepresented the truth and what's more you really show that you have never read nor know anything about the Quran other than to cherry pick from an anti-Islam source.“
Yet the quote that you think to have successfully rebutted is truncated, the full text of which is this:
“Islam directly contradicts the Record of God of the coming of His Christ, His death, and His resurrection.“
Your argument using Koranic verses is moot according to the complete context of our statement, which, in honesty, you can't deny. In the crucial matter (emphasized in red), the Koran plainly contradicts the testimony of the Scriptures and all of God’s saints who are raised from the dead in Christ and testify by Him to this day, as we do here.
In this one example, you prove everything we have already said about you, doing the very thing you complain against – cherry-picking and taking things out of context, typifying the Muslim mindset that is nurtured by the Koran.
You ridicule Jesus Christ as God, yet claim to be born of His Spirit. How can you be born of God’s Spirit when you deny His only means of conceiving and bringing spiritual children to birth? You are a liar. You aren’t spiritually born from above, in Christ, but from beneath by Satan. He is your father, which explains why you naturally lie as you speak.
“You call God HIS own Christ, have you know sense?”
Malachi 3:1-5 LITV
(1) Behold, I am sending My messenger [John the Baptizer], and He will clear the way before Me. And the Lord [God] Whom you are seeking shall suddenly come to His temple, even the Angel of the Covenant, in Whom you delight. Behold, He comes, says the LORD of Hosts.
(2) But who can endure the day of His coming? And who will stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fuller's soap…
(5) And I [the LORD] will come near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against those swearing to a lie; and against those who extort from the hired laborer's pay; and turning away the widow, and the fatherless, and the alien, and not fearing Me, says the LORD of Hosts.“And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was no one to uphold; therefore My Own Arm has saved for Me; and My fury upheld Me” (Isaiah 63:5 MKJV).
“‘And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:2-4’”“If Jesus was God who is Jesus calling THE TRUE GOD?”
Jesus Christ, Whom God has sent.
“Let's make it clear: You believe God came in the FLESH, I believe that Christ , The word of God came in the FLESH.”
Amen; we believe both, because the Word of God is God:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1 MKJV).
John 14:9-11 MKJV
(9) Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?
(10) Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works.
(11) Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works themselves.That can’t be said of Muhammad, because he wasn’t the express image of God, come in the flesh. His works were of the devil; so are yours.
“Is Jesus the Lord God or not?
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Exodus 15:2-4The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
Isaiah 42:12-14Do you accept this is not Jesus?”
On the contrary, we proclaim that is Jesus!
Revelation 19:11-16 MKJV
(11) And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
(12) And His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head many crowns. And He had a name written, one that no one knew except Himself.
(13) And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
(14) And the armies in Heaven followed Him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
(15) And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, so that with it He should strike the nations. And He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of Almighty God.
(16) And He has on His garment, and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.We come with Jesus Christ, and you are under our rod of iron.
“Did Jesus say this or not?
And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Exodus 32:26-28Did Jesus say this or not?
Now the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’
1 Samuel 15:17-19If Jesus did not say these things that the Holy Bible attribute to God then Jesus is not God and if he did say these things please explain them”
Yes; Jesus said those things:
1 Corinthians 10:1-4 MKJV
(1) And, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea.
(2) And all were baptized to Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
(3) and all ate the same spiritual food,
(4) and all drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank of the spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.“Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8 MKJV).
“For I am the LORD, I change not” (Malachi 3:6 KJV).
Who is the LORD? Jesus Christ is! Amen! And He will demonstrate that with you, Bod, as we have said, and as all will see.
Quote (PaulCohen @ Nov. 17 2010,12:34) First of all thank you for your long awaited response. [Quoute]Bod, you complain when we prove the Koran is false, presumably using this quote from our site to buttress your argument:[/Quote]
When did you prove the Quran was false, If you had done such a thing I would have been the first to concede and follow the doctrine you follow but your first Major flaw is you follow a doctrine that says that Jesus is God and yet Jesus says he doesn't even teach his own Doctrine:
Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:15-17According to your belief this would be God saying that his doctrine is not his.
Quote “Islam directly contradicts the Record of God of the coming of His Christ“ Your response:
“This is what is written in the Quran:
Behold! the angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)So in that point you misrepresented the truth and what's more you really show that you have never read nor know anything about the Quran other than to cherry pick from an anti-Islam source.“
Yet the quote that you think to have successfully rebutted is truncated, the full text of which is this:
“Islam directly contradicts the Record of God of the coming of His Christ, His death, and His resurrection.“
Your argument using Koranic verses is moot according to the complete context of our statement, which, in honesty, you can't deny.
The point I made was not moot “Jesus is The Christ”, However the death and resurrection was not a point I was attempting to make nor did I need to argue that point because one of the false claims you have on your site is that Islam does not believe that Jesus Christ came in the Flesh and that is incorrect.
Quote In the crucial matter (emphasized in red), the Koran plainly contradicts the testimony of the Scriptures and all of God’s saints who are raised from the dead in Christ and testify by Him to this day, as we do here. And so you make it clear that this death you experienced was not physical and I agree with you
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2 Peter 1:3-5And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 8:22-24Islam agrees with these verses and believe that God saved Jesus from the cross and raised Christ Jesus alive as Jesus said:
Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:59-61Quote In this one example, you prove everything we have already said about you, doing the very thing you complain against – cherry-picking and taking things out of context, typifying the Muslim mindset that is nurtured by the Koran. Let's focus on being Just and reasonable and God will be a witness between us so need to judge each other let's just dig in and see what we can discover together
Quote You ridicule Jesus Christ as God, yet claim to be born of His Spirit. I would never ridicule Jesus Christ but I certainly should not call Christ “God” Because I worship The GOD of JESUS, The God that Jesus worshipped
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:21-23Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 20:16-18Quote How can you be born of God’s Spirit when you deny His only means of conceiving and bringing spiritual children to birth? You are a liar. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:23-25You don't believe that Jesus was sent but someone sent him, who sent Jesus?
Quote you aren’t spiritually born from above, in Christ, but from beneath by Satan. He is your father, which explains why you naturally lie as you speak. John 8:49-50 (King James Version)
49Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.May the Lord rebuke Satan if he is in either of our presence
And if (at any time) an incitement to discord is made to thee by the Evil One, seek refuge in Allah. He is the One Who hears and knows all things.
( سورة فصلت , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #36)Quote “You call God HIS own Christ, have you know sense?” Malachi 3:1-5 LITV
(1) Behold, I am sending My messenger [John the Baptizer], and He will clear the way before Me. And the Lord [God] Whom you are seeking shall suddenly come to His temple, even the Angel of the Covenant, in Whom you delight. Behold, He comes, says the LORD of Hosts.
(2) But who can endure the day of His coming? And who will stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fuller's soap…
(5) And I [the LORD] will come near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against those swearing to a lie; and against those who extort from the hired laborer's pay; and turning away the widow, and the fatherless, and the alien, and not fearing Me, says the LORD of Hosts.“And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was no one to uphold; therefore My Own Arm has saved for Me; and My fury upheld Me” (Isaiah 63:5 MKJV).
The verses in Isaiah could not be talking about Jesus un
less he is not GodIsaiah 63 1Who is this that cometh from Edom, with deep-red garments from Bozrah, this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? — I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
2– Wherefore is redness in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winevat?
3I have trodden the winepress alone, and of the peoples not a man was with me; and I have trodden them in mine anger, and trampled them in my fury; and their blood is sprinkled upon my garments, and I have stained all mine apparel.
4For the day of vengeance was in my heart, and the year of my redeemed had come.
5And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: and mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
6And I have trodden down the peoples in mine anger, and made them drunk in my fury; and their blood have I brought down to the earth.
7I will record the loving-kindnesses of Jehovah, the praises of Jehovah, according to all that Jehovah hath bestowed upon us,[/Quote] and the great goodness toward the house of Israel which he hath bestowed upon them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his loving-kindnesses.and in Malachai it does not say that Jehovah is coming to HIS temple it says the angel of the covenant was coming to his temple:
Malachi 3 1Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.
2But who shall endure the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? For he will be like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' lye.Why would Jehovah be calling HIMSELF “HE”? instead of I
Quote “‘And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:2-4’”“If Jesus was God who is Jesus calling THE TRUE GOD?”
Jesus Christ, Whom God has sent.
“Let's make it clear: You believe God came in the FLESH, I believe that Christ , The word of God came in the FLESH.”
Amen; we believe both, because the Word of God is
God:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1 MKJV).
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Isaiah 55:10-12John 10:34-36 (King James Version)
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from him:
Quote John 14:9-11 MKJV
(9) Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?
(10) Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works.
(11) Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works themselves.I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
John 17:22-24So either they are all God or you have mistaken unity of purpose with sameness. But look what the Holy Spirit Teaches
For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
John 5:19-21Quote That can’t be said of Muhammad, because he wasn’t the express image of God, come in the flesh. His works were of the devil; so are yours. Why do you say that? What is written in the Quran that is morally different than the Bible?
Quote “Is Jesus the Lord God or not? The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Exodus 15:2-4The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
Isaiah 42:12-14Do you accept this is not Jesus?
”On the contrary, we proclaim that is Jesus!
Okay.
Quote Revelation 19:11-16 MKJV
(11) And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
(12) And His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head many crowns. And He had a name written, one that no one knew except Himself.
(13) And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
(14) And the armies in Heaven followed Him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
(15) And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, so that with it He should strike the nations. And He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of Almighty God.
(16) And He has on His garment, and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.We come with Jesus Christ, and you are under our rod of iron.
“Did Jesus say this or not?
And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Exodus 32:26-28Did Jesus say this or not?
Now the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’
1 Samuel 15:17-19If Jesus did not say these things that the Holy Bible attribute to God then Jesus is not God and if he did say these things please explain them”
Yes; Jesus said those things:
So, did Jesus say this?:
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:9-11If So you have a problem with the following:
“Jesus Christ the sa
me yesterday and today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8 MKJV).BUt Wait what's this?
“For I am the LORD, I change not” (Malachi 3:6 KJV).
Malachi 3:5-6 (King James Version)
5And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
6For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.Quote Who is the LORD? Jesus Christ is! Amen! And He will demonstrate that with you, Bod, as we have said, and as all will see. There are many “lords” but There is ONLY ONE LORD GOD
And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee;
Mark 6:20-22but look:
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark 12:28-30We worship the God that Jesus worships.
God Bless you!
First of all thank you for your long awaited response.[Quoute]Bod, you complain when we prove the Koran is false, presumably using this quote from our site to buttress your argument:[/Quote]
When did you prove the Quran was false, If you had done such a thing I would have been the first to concede and follow the doctrine you follow but your first Major flaw is you follow a doctrine that says that Jesus is God and yet Jesus says he doesn't even teach his own Doctrine:
Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:15-17According to your belief this would be God saying that his doctrine is not his.
Quote “Islam directly contradicts the Record of God of the coming of His Christ“ Your response:
“This is what is written in the Quran:
Behold! the angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)So in that point you misrepresented the truth and what's more you really show that you have never read nor know anything about the Quran other than to cherry pick from an anti-Islam source.“
Yet the quote that you think to have successfully rebutted is truncated, the full text of which is this:
“Islam directly contradicts the Record of God of the coming of His Christ, His death, and His resurrection.“
Your argument using Koranic verses is moot according to the complete context of our statement, which, in honesty, you can't deny.
The point I made was not moot “Jesus is The Christ”, However the death and resurrection was not a point I was attempting to make nor did I need to argue that point because one of the false claims you have on your site is that Islam does not believe that Jesus Christ came in the Flesh and that is incorrect.
Quote In the crucial matter (emphasized in red), the Koran plainly contradicts the testimony of the Scriptures and all of God’s saints who are raised from the dead in Christ and testify by Him to this day, as we do here. And so you make it clear that this death you experienced was not physical and I agree with you
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2 Peter 1:3-5And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 8:22-24Islam agrees with these verses and believe that God saved Jesus from the cross and raised Christ Jesus alive as Jesus said:
Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:59-61Quote In this one example, you prove everything we have already said about you, doing the very thing you complain against – cherry-picking and taking things out of context, typifying the Muslim mindset that is nurtured by the Koran. Let's focus on being Just and reasonable and God will be a witness between us so need to judge each other let's just dig in and see what we can discover together
Quote You ridicule Jesus Christ as God, yet claim to be born of His Spirit. I would never ridicule Jesus Christ but I certainly should not call Christ “God” Because I worship The GOD of JESUS, The God that Jesus worshipped
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:21-23Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 20:16-18Quote How can you be born of God’s Spirit when you deny His only means of conceiving and bringing spiritual children to birth? You are a liar. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:23-25You don't believe that Jesus was sent but someone sent him, who sent Jesus?
Quote you aren’t spiritually born from above, in Christ, but from beneath by Satan. He is your father, which explains why you naturally lie as you speak. John 8:49-50 (King James Version)
49Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.May the Lord rebuke Satan if he is in either of our presence
And if (at any time) an incitement to discord is made to thee by the Evil One, seek refuge in Allah. He is the One Who hears and knows all things.
( سورة فصلت , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #36)Quote “You call God HIS own Christ, have you know sense?” Malachi 3:1-5 LITV
(1) Behold, I am sending My messenger [John the Baptizer], and He will clear the way before Me. And the Lord [God] Whom you are seeking shall suddenly come to His temple, even the Angel of the Covenant, in Whom you delight. Behold, He comes, says the LORD of Hosts.
(2) But who can endure the day of His coming? And who will stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fuller's soap…
(5) And I [the LORD] will come near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against those swearing to a lie; and against those who extort from the hired laborer's pay; and turning away the widow, and the fatherless, and the alien, and not fearing Me, says the LORD of Hosts.“And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was no one to uphold; therefore My Own Arm has saved for Me; and My fury upheld Me” (Isaiah 63:5 MKJV).
The verses in Isaiah could not be talking about Jesus unless he is not God
Isaiah 63 1Who is this that cometh from Edom, with deep-red garments from Bozrah, this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? — I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
2– Wherefore is redness in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winevat?
3I have trodden the winepress alone, and of the peoples not a man was with me; and I have trodden them in mine anger, and trampled them in my fury; and their blood is sprinkled upon my garments, and I have stained all mine apparel.
4For the day of vengeance was in my heart, and the year of my redeemed had come.
5And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: and mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
6And I have trodden down the peoples in mine anger, and made them drunk in my fury; and their blood have I brought down to the earth.
7I will record the loving-kindnesses of Jehovah, the praises of Jehovah, according to all that Jehovah hath bestowed upon us,[/Quote] and the great goodness toward the house of Israel which he hath bestowed upon them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his loving-kindnesses.and in Malachai it does not say that Jehovah is coming to HIS temple it says the angel of the covenant was coming to his temple:
Malachi 3 1Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.
2But who shall endure the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? For he will be like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' lye.Why would Jehovah be calling HIMSELF “HE”? instead of I
Quote “‘And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:2-4’”“If Jesus was God who is Jesus calling THE TRUE GOD?”
Jesus Christ, Whom God has sent.
“Let's make it clear: You believe God came in the FLESH, I believe that Christ , The word of God came in the FLESH.”
Amen; we believe both, because the Word of God is
God:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1 MKJV).
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Isaiah 55:10-12John 10:34-36 (King James Version)
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from him:
Quote John 14:9-11 MKJV
(9) Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?
(10) Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works.
(11) Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works themselves.I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
John 17:22-24So either they are all God or you have mistaken unity of purpose with sameness. But look what the Holy Spirit Teaches
For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
John 5:19-21Quote That can’t be said of Muhammad, because he wasn’t the express image of God, come in the flesh. His works were of the devil; so are yours. Why do you say that? What is written in the Quran that is morally different than the Bible?
Quote “Is Jesus the Lord God or not? The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Exodus 15:2-4The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
Isaiah 42:12-14Do you accept this is not Jesus?
”On the contrary, we proclaim that is Jesus!
Okay.
Quote Revelation 19:11-16 MKJV
(11) And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
(12) And His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head many crowns. And He had a name written, one that no one knew except Himself.
(13) And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
(14) And the armies in Heaven followed Him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
(15) And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, so that with it He should strike the nations. And He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of Almighty God.
(16) And He has on His garment, and on His thigh a name writ
ten, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.We come with Jesus Christ, and you are under our rod of iron.
“Did Jesus say this or not?
And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Exodus 32:26-28Did Jesus say this or not?
Now the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’
1 Samuel 15:17-19If Jesus did not say these things that the Holy Bible attribute to God then Jesus is not God and if he did say these things please explain them”
Yes; Jesus said those things:
So, did Jesus say this?:
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:9-11If So you have a problem with the following:
“Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8 MKJV).
BUt Wait what's this?
“For I am the LORD, I change not” (Malachi 3:6 KJV).
Malachi 3:5-6 (King James Version)
5And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
6For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.Quote Who is the LORD? Jesus Christ is! Amen! And He will demonstrate that with you, Bod, as we have said, and as all will see. There are many “lords” but There is ONLY ONE LORD GOD
And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee;
Mark 6:20-22but look:
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark 12:28-30We worship the God that Jesus worships.
God Bless you!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2010,14:31) Islam agrees with these verses and believe that God
saved Jesus from the cross and raised Christ Jesus alive as Jesus said:Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:59-61Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2010,14:31) I would never ridicule Jesus Christ but I certainly should not call Christ “God”
Because I worship The GOD of JESUS, The God that Jesus worshippedQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2010,14:31) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth.
Christ Jesus the son of Mary
was (no more than) an apostle of Allah,
and His word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from him:.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son..
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2010,18:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2010,14:31) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth.
Christ Jesus the son of Mary
was (no more than) an apostle of Allah,
and His word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from him:.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son..
.
antichrist's evil allah=222Prov.3:33 The “curse”=66(=allah in Arabic) of the LORD is
in the house of the wicked (islam): but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
.Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2010,14:31) Quote That can’t be said of Muhammad, because he wasn’t the express image of God, come in the flesh. His works were of the devil; so are yours. Why do you say that? What is written in the Quran that is morally different than the Bible?
.
The quran has 114 chapters called suras and is the 'book of fraud'!'quran book' =114
'evil curse' =114
'Lucifer liar' =114
'allah is devil' =114
'quran false' =114
'book of fraud'=114
'a moongod bible'=114
.Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2010,06:38) Quote “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”
-the marvelous physicist Steven WeinbergQuote “We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another.”
-Jonathan SwiftWas he saying that MORE christianity would have helped things??
Quote “The tendency to turn human judgments into divine commands makes religion one of the most dangerous forces in the world.”
-Georgia HarknessAnd indeed she has the problem as a theologian of demonstrating that humans are able to make any judgements about the thoughts of supernatural beings, which I am sure she herself would have done often.
Quote “Religion consists of a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain”
-the superb Mark TwainQuote “If there is a God, atheism must seem to Him as less of an insult than religion.”
-Edmond de GoncourtValuable post, dirtyknections. Actual food for thought. Your point is about traditions versus scripture I guess, but why not take it to its logical conclusion?
God belief according to the Judeo-christian scriptures is an insult to human dignity. We just have too much of that as well, more so when you consider creationists and other idiot literalists. Claiming to know what god wants others to do should really be seen as the borderline personality disorder that it is. Wishing religious dogmas to be true is surely a life half-lived. Atheism is only an insult to those who confuse their own identity with the crazy ideas they carry in their heads.
Stuart
Greetings Stu…. A valid presentation in support of your argument about religion….and I actually agree with Edmon DeGoncourt….It is religion that creates atheism…and does so by empowering certain parotic individuals that mindlessly repeat and mis interpret scripture….It is through the power of God and the presense of his spirit that affords some folks who are chosen to understand and teach the message of the scriptures. Some of them are teachers,some are evanglists and some are healers….these folks are among us but you will never hear them exalting themselves they live exempletory lives….when you meet one of these individuals you will find they are not pompous,boistous or religous…ED,
The gimmick is old and dead, now what will you do continue to conjure up things that can easily swallowed up by truth?
We put it into moses's mind by inspiration: “throw (now) thy rod”:and behold! it swallows up straight away all the falsehoods which they fake!
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #117)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2010,14:31) Quote (PaulCohen @ Nov. 17 2010,12:34) That can’t be said of Muhammad, because he wasn’t the express image of God, come in the flesh. His works were of the devil; so are yours. Why do you say that? What is written in the Quran that is morally different than the Bible?
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The quran has 114 chapters called suras and is the 'book of fraud'!
'quran book' =114
'evil curse' =114
'islam false' =114
'Lucifer liar' =114
'allah is devil' =114
'book of fraud'=114
'a moongod bible'=114
.Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 18 2010,06:48) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2010,19:32) .
1John 4:20 If a man(BD) say, I love God, and hateth his brother(Ed J), he is a liar: for he(BD)
that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?1John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:
and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
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Ed, do you really think bod hates you ?Bod, do you hate Ed ?
Hi Shimmer,Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,14:58) Sura #6 77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.”
BD attacks me personally when I Prove the 'quranic'(83) moongod(83),
who BD calls 'lord allah'(83) 'is satan'(83) in disguise! [6+77=83]For slow internet speeds: start the video and pause it until it
has downloaded sufficiently in advance of the play speed; OK?Judges 8:21 21 Gideon arose, and slew Zebah and Zalmunna, and
took away the [moongod crescents] that were on their camels' necks.Ps.83:4,11 They (the muslims) have said, Come, and let us cut them off
from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
But YHVH says: Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes
as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:Enjoy!
Surah 6:70 Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah. if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 18 2010,12:13) Surah 6:70 Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah. if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah.
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antishrist(121) ↔ lie reject allah(121)
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