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How can we see the difference between those celebrating christmas on December 25th and those celebrating Messiah day the very same day?
Did glory go to the Messiah when Christians did the very same thing to pagan holidays?
They did it the same day, but allegedly for different reasons.
No glory to the only begotten Son, but to this very day there are still those that see the pagan origins in christmas.Observing Messiah day on December 25th will not bring real edification, nor any real glory to the Heavens and will still not hide the pagan origins of that day of clelbration.
If one needs to make up their own holidays in which to celebrate the Messiah, make the days be anything but the days already chosen by Christians.Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2006,17:44) “Most of the customs now associated with Christmas were not originally Christmas customs but rather were pre-Christian and non-Christian customs taken up by the Christian church. Saturnalia, a Roman feast celebrated in mid-December, provided the model for many of the merrymaking customs of Christmas. From this celebration, for example, were derived the elaborate feasting, the giving of gifts, and the burning of candles.”—The Encyclopedia Americana, 1959 edition, Vol. 6, p. 622. “The members of the early church were recruited from among the pagans, and by the establishment of a festival at this time the energy and attention of the proselytes could be focused thus in a Christian festival.”—Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology, and Legend, Vol. 1, p. 229.
“The celebration was not observed in the first centuries of the Christian church . . . In the 5th century the Western church ordered the feast to be celebrated on the day of the Mithraic rites of the birth of the sun and at the close of the Saturnalia, as no certain knowledge of the day of Christ’s birth existed. Among the German and Celtic tribes the winter solstice was considered an important point of the year and to commemorate the return of the sun they held their chief festival of yule, which, like other pagan celebrations, became adapted to Christmas.”—The Encyclopedia Americana, 1959 edition, Vol. 6, p. 622.
“The custom of decorating homes and churches with evergreens began in ancient times. The Romans exchanged green tree branches for good luck on the calends (first day) of January.” (The World Book Encyclopedia, 1973, Vol. 3, p. 415)
“There were, within the Church, criticisms of the observance on the grounds of its resembling pagan rites, of its being sun-worship (the Armenians called the Roman Church members idolaters as well, because of the identification of Christmas with the date of the birth of the sun), and, as late as 1644, during the Puritan ascendancy, the English Parliament forbade observance of the festival.”—Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology, and Legend, Vol. 1, p. 229.
Pagan rites and superstitious legends—such are the sources of the Christmas tradition. They were shunned by the early Christians, who, according to “the World Book Encyclopedia,” “did not celebrate His birth because they considered celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom.”
This package of rituals and superstitions called Christmas is but another by-product of the famous dictum of Pope Gregory I to the missionary Augustine: “Tear down their idols but consecrate their temples.” Only the labels have been changed. The contents are as pagan as ever.
Does anyone else get tired of having people ask if you enjoyed your Christmas? Or asking how your Christmas was. And then the look of confusion as you tell them you don't celebrate Christmas. They look at you like you're “no part of this world.” (John 15:19)It's always interesting to look at how other people celebrate Christmas.
Wiccan High Priestess Selena Fox stated:
“Yule, the winter solstice, is a festival of peace and a celebration of waxing solar light. I honor the new sun child by burning a[n] oaken yule log in a sacred fire. I honor the great goddess in her many great mother aspects, and the father god as Santa in his old sky god, father time, and holly king forms. I decorate my home with lights and with holly, ivy, mistletoe, evergreens and other herbs sacred to this season. I ring in the new solar year with bells.”–Wiccan High Priestess Selena Fox
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47345Do many witches celebrate Christmas (in a secular present-giving way) as well?
[LR] I should think that almost all of them do. Calls to ban Christmas and not celebrate it have always come from within sections of the Christian community (e.g., the Jehovah’s Witnesses) who, quite rightly, see Christmas as a Pagan festival.
http://www.witchology.com/contents/interviews/yule_winter_solstice.php2 CORINTHIANS 6:14-18
“Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Béli·al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I shall reside among them and walk among [them], and I shall be their God, and they will be my people.” “‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take YOU in.’” “‘And I shall be a father to YOU, and YOU will be sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah the Almighty.””It started with false gods. It is still celebrated by neo pagans today. The customs and the date are the same. It is only the lie that it is Christ's birth that has been added!
“Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed by them. For the customs of the people are vain” (Jer. 10:2, 3)
Website showing very plainly that the earliest Christians refused to celebrate birthdays (including Christ's) and the reasons behind this.
http://www.cogwriter.com/birthdays.htmThe facts are:
–It is the birthday of the sun god, not his birthday.
–How does Jesus and his father view false gods?
–He commanded us to memorialize his death and nothing else.
–The earliest Christians refused to celebrate his birthday or any one else's. Why?
–Jesus fortold an apostasy and the spreading of false brothers, false stories, twisted traditions, etc.
–Greed and commercialism have taken over this holiday.
–It's not primarily about Jesus–most people who celebrate Christmas do not even believe in Jesus.Any encyclopedia will tell you the origins of Christmas and it's many customs are pagan.
The tree, the lights, the exchange of gifts, the holly, mistletoe, the day itself, etc.
Does giving paganism a Christian name change what it truly is?Quote (david @ Dec. 31 2007,15:28) Does anyone else get tired of having people ask if you enjoyed your Christmas? Or asking how your Christmas was. And then the look of confusion as you tell them you don't celebrate Christmas. They look at you like you're “no part of this world.” (John 15:19)
I tell people that I am having a great Christmas.It depends on your definition. To me and my family and friends, Christmas is a couple off weeks off work in the summer.
I don't know anybody that actually believes that Jesus was born on Christmas day and died on Easter.
So as for being a pagan celebration, I do not celebrate, rather it is a time for family and friends.
Do we need to get all hung up about it?
I know that we can even eat meat sacrificed to idols, because a good conscience toward God nullifies any bad meaning that things have. If we are pure then it is pure. Light overcomes darkness, so we don't have to give darkness any credit for overcoming the light because it cannot.
I am aware that we shouldn't do things to make others who are weaker to stumble. But I don't know anyone that would stumble because I am enjoying 2 weeks of summer with family and friends. It's really just an opportunity to fellowship, go to BBQs, and swim at a beach.
God wants us to enjoy what he has given us.
Pagan celebrations, witchcraft, or meat offered to idols is not going to spoil anything for those who are pure minded.
the christmas tree also is a phallic referance to osiris's missing penis typical of masons
christians say Jesus isnt born 25th dec but thats what it does say in the bible in the story where the three kings or wise men or three stars of orions belt follow the bright star in the east or the dog star sirus to the place the son or sun is born. this is a recorded story of the birth of jesus born of a virgin well so we are told in the bible but actually its the birth day of the sun celebrated years before christ the anointed one because its coded scientific esotoric knowledge not from god but likely from egypt or who ever was before them
Quote christians say Jesus isnt born 25th dec but thats what it does say in the bible No, it does not.
And, no, they were in no sense “kings.” You could call them “wise” if you want, I guess, but that isn't what the word “magi” or “magoi” means. They were chaldean astrologers, and as t8 points out, an unspecificed number of them.
They arrived probably a couple of years after Jesus birth (based on Herods calculations) at the “house” where Jesus was.
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