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Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 09 2007,15:29) Why did Peter say Paul's writings are hard to understand?
Peter got in trouble by Paul for shrinking back……falling back into his old ways (hanging out with the circumcised boys and neglecting the non-circumcised guys). I think Peter liked to hang on to the Law. He knew what to expect, and what was expected from him. It was safe.But Paul took the Law and said, “Love outside the box!” and that was a difficult thing. All of a sudden, you weren't supposed to care if the brother sitting next to you was circumcised or not – they were still supposed to be your brother! That was hard for folks like Peter who were die-hards for the letter of the Law. Remember when the Lord gave Peter the vision of the animals and told him to “….kill and eat!” and he said, “Never Lord – no unclean thing has touched these lips.” Well, again, another hard lesson for this devout Jewish man.
Loving through barriers has always been a “hard to understand.”
Anyway, my two cents for ya Ken.
So Paul doesn't teach that God's Law was done away with but he teaches that we are under grace and if we have faith that Jesus was the Lamb of God then we no longer have to keep the feasts and offerings of Moses.
Ken, You posted this and shame on you. Whilt trying to teach the truths about Paul, you twisted it yourself. Paul kept the Feasts and it was Paul who told us to keep the Feast. Remember?
Now I ask you, why would Paul ask us to keep one Feast and not all, or why whould Messiah ask us to keep one command and not all?
Am I making sense to you?
Please know that the sacrificial practices that were done durring the Feast times were so that the Israelites could come before Elohim, with their sin covered. The Feasts are His. No one can come to Him in sin.
Now because of Messiah's sacrifice, we can come to YHWH's Feasts free from sin. We come before Himdurring these special “appointed times” to build our relationship with Him. They are His Feasts.
Leviticus 23:2 Tells us these are His Feasts and are to be Set-Apart gatherings, unto Him.Please when you try to explain things you do not know, say “this is how I understand it”, do not make a claim you haven't ptoven, because I know they are to be celebrated still, and you do not know yet. I promise if you search diligently, you will also know what I know.
The Feasts have a great purpose and more than one purpose. All is not fulfilled, so His Feasts still stand as the Sabbath stands, because the Feasts have woven within them special Sabbath's and it would do you much good to learn and observe them.
His appointed times. What were they appointed for? Well we know what Passover was appointed for , but what about the Feast called the Last Great Day? What do you think that was appointed for?
The apostles were gathered together for the Feast of Weeks, some 50 plus days after the death of their Messiah. Why do you suppose they “still” went to the temple on that Feast day?
Well this one was fulfilled also, but i will let you find the answer to that in the book of Acts.Ken, YHWH wrote the laws on the two tablets of stone and gave them to “Moses” to bring to the children of Israel. Moses acted as YHWH's mediator.
Now let me hear you say one more time that Moses law is abolished and I will tell you that your father is not YHWH. You might as well listen to the Pharisees, because that what they did, they made His law of no effect by their traditions, and their teachings.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 09 2007,17:59) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 09 2007,15:29) Why did Peter say Paul's writings are hard to understand?
Peter got in trouble by Paul for shrinking back……falling back into his old ways (hanging out with the circumcised boys and neglecting the non-circumcised guys). I think Peter liked to hang on to the Law. He knew what to expect, and what was expected from him. It was safe.But Paul took the Law and said, “Love outside the box!” and that was a difficult thing. All of a sudden, you weren't supposed to care if the brother sitting next to you was circumcised or not – they were still supposed to be your brother! That was hard for folks like Peter who were die-hards for the letter of the Law. Remember when the Lord gave Peter the vision of the animals and told him to “….kill and eat!” and he said, “Never Lord – no unclean thing has touched these lips.” Well, again, another hard lesson for this devout Jewish man.
Loving through barriers has always been a “hard to understand.”
Anyway, my two cents for ya Ken.
It is your opinion that Peter got in trouble for “hanging out with circumcised boys”.It is my opinion that this was not the case. The way I understand it, we learn Peter was hiding form Paul. Scripture dose not say why, but it does tell us they were eating together.
I know that Y'shua was against the “hand washing” ritual that was taught by the Pharisees. I think it is quite possible that Peter partook of this hand washing ritual, because it was always done before meals.
Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 09 2007,06:53) Laurel, I don't see how you separate the feast from the offering?
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
You say that the law that was nailed to the cross were man's law, the laws of the Pharisees. But in the above scripture Jesus says “concerning me”. Was He not the Lamb of God?
Doesn't the rituals as well as the offering deal with sin that Jesus died for?
Why is ok to pick corn on the Sabbath but you have to get every bread crum out of your house for the day's of unleavened bread?
OH! Before I forget you can down load FREE bible texts I use E-Sword others use GateWay. Just go to google and type in E-Sword or GateWay and then download the program and IT'S FREE.
You'll get about 6 or 7 different translations besides the KJV and the KJV+.
Luke 24:46-49
Y'shua explains what was fulfilled.
There is more yet to be fulfilled for He has not come as King yet. We are not in heaven yet. Judgement has not come yet.
When He was with us then, He was a Servant.He is not through with us on this earth yet. We still have a little time to get it right.
To all (and certainly michaels),
I think the reason so many people get hung up over obedience to the Law and over what Paul taught was because they do not truly understand the the very concise summation of Yeshua's mission and the Law itself. Here it is:Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”
Mat 22:37 And He said to him, ” 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
Mat 22:38 “This is the great and foremost commandment.
Mat 22:39 “The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
Mat 22:40 “On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”So how then Yeshua come to fulfill the Law?
Jhn 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.Thats it folks. Its all about love. We know God loves us, now we must continue to develop our love relationship with Him. Once we do that, love other people is easier than you think it is, because the love of God indwells us. If we love God and love people, the rest of the Law becomes a walk in the park because the Law revolves around a selfless love of God and others.
That's what most people don't understand. Its not about keeping the Law in an of itself. That's why the children of Israel struggled with it.
As for Paul espousing grace, what was he doing that did not agree with this statement:
Jhn 1:16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.
Jhn 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.Many here seem not to understand why Paul was chosen to be an apostle to the Gentiles. Yeshua had told the apostles to spread the Gospel to the nations (which includes Jews and Gentiles) but they weren't being quite obedient. So Yeshua chose Saul, a consummate Jew, one whose life was focused on both keeping the Law and persecuting the followers of Christ. Yeshua took Saul and broke him, molded him, and made him into the Paul we know. There is a lesson for you. Are you letting God break you, and remake you in the image of His Son?
Finally, Paul was reaching those who did not know the Law. They did not have copies of the Torah. All they had was the words and letters of Paul and his partners. So Paul was helping them understand the basis of the Law so that they could grasp the love relationship of God and other people. So that they could serve the Law they did not even really know because they would stop being selfish and start being selfless. Their role-model was the life of Christ.
The whole of Yeshua's message, the same message taught by Paul, can be seen on the cross at Calvary. Picture Yeshua on the cross, looking to his Father. “Love God”. Now picture his outstretched hands, nailed to the cross. “Love People”
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DQuote (kejonn @ Aug. 10 2007,00:04) To all (and certainly michaels),
I think the reason so many people get hung up over obedience to the Law and over what Paul taught was because they do not truly understand the the very concise summation of Yeshua's mission and the Law itself. Here it is:Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”
Mat 22:37 And He said to him, ” 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
Mat 22:38 “This is the great and foremost commandment.
Mat 22:39 “The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
Mat 22:40 “On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”So how then Yeshua come to fulfill the Law?
Jhn 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.Thats it folks. Its all about love. We know God loves us, now we must continue to develop our love relationship with Him. Once we do that, love other people is easier than you think it is, because the love of God indwells us. If we love God and love people, the rest of the Law becomes a walk in the park because the Law revolves around a selfless love of God and others.
That's what most people don't understand. Its not about keeping the Law in an of itself. That's why the children of Israel struggled with it.
As for Paul espousing grace, what was he doing that did not agree with this statement:
Jhn 1:16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.
Jhn 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.Many here seem not to understand why Paul was chosen to be an apostle to the Gentiles. Yeshua had told the apostles to spread the Gospel to the nations (which includes Jews and Gentiles) but they weren't being quite obedient. So Yeshua chose Saul, a consummate Jew, one whose life was focused on both keeping the Law and persecuting the followers of Christ. Yeshua took Saul and broke him, molded him, and made him into the Paul we know. There is a lesson for you. Are you letting God break you, and remake you in the image of His Son?
Finally, Paul was reaching those who did not know the Law. They did not have copies of the Torah. All they had was the words and letters of Paul and his partners. So Paul was helping them understand the basis of the Law so that they could grasp the love relationship of God and other people. So that they could serve the Law they did not even really know because they would stop being selfish and start being selfless. Their role-model was the life of Christ.
The whole of Yeshua's message, the same message taught by Paul, can be seen on the cross at Calvary. Picture Yeshua on the cross, looking to his Father. “Love God”. Now picture his outstretched hands, nailed to the cross. “Love People”
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kejonn, If you keep Love the Lord your God with all your heart then you will keep the first four commandments. If you love your neighbor as yourself then you will keep the last six commandments.THIS IS THE LOVE:
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
That is the fruit of the love we have for God.
And this is the COMMAND:
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
This IS scripture I'm not making anything up. I don't see you only need to keep nine, do you?
Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 09 2007,18:41) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 09 2007,06:53) Laurel, I don't see how you separate the feast from the offering?
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
You say that the law that was nailed to the cross were man's law, the laws of the Pharisees. But in the above scripture Jesus says “concerning me”. Was He not the Lamb of God?
Doesn't the rituals as well as the offering deal with sin that Jesus died for?
Why is ok to pick corn on the Sabbath but you have to get every bread crum out of your house for the day's of unleavened bread?
OH! Before I forget you can down load FREE bible texts I use E-Sword others use GateWay. Just go to google and type in E-Sword or GateWay and then download the program and IT'S FREE.
You'll get about 6 or 7 different translations besides the KJV and the KJV+.
Luke 24:46-49
Y'shua explains what was fulfilled.
There is more yet to be fulfilled for He has not come as King yet. We are not in heaven yet. Judgement has not come yet.
When He was with us then, He was a Servant.He is not through with us on this earth yet. We still have a little time to get it right.
Laurel Luke 24:44-49 explains that Jesus sacrifice was for the forgivness of sins. What are the feasts all about?Is there something OTHER than the sacrifice about the feast I need to know?
If Jehovah wants me to keep the feasts I WILL. But not because you say we have too. Give me a reason, scripture would help
So Paul was only talking about the sacrifice and not the feast?
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;…having forgiven you all trespasses; …Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances….. took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Are these ordnances extra law written by the Pharisees? “Having Forgiven You All Trespasses” It doesn't apear that way to me. It is ordnances having to do with sin.
And because they were nailed to the cross YOU don't judge me because of food, drink, holydays, months, and ANNUAL SABBATHS. Sabbaths that go with the feasts.
What is it you do on feasts days? May be if you explained I would better understand what you are trying to say about the feasts.
2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
After Peter says they error as lawless people he comes back and says to grow in the GRACE and knowledge of our Lord.
Is not the Grace of our Lord the “LAW OF CHRIST” that Paul speaks of.
1Co 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.
And Laurel, why did Paul keep the feasts?
1Co 9:20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.
Because the Jews were still offering animals for sin. Notice “though NOT being myself under the law” was Paul speaking of the Ten Commandments? Please he was speaking of the Law that Jesus fulfilled. The sacrificial, ritual law that was given to Moses because of transgression of the TEN.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, UNTIL the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 09 2007,18:25) Ken, YHWH wrote the laws on the two tablets of stone and gave them to “Moses” to bring to the children of Israel. Moses acted as YHWH's mediator. Now let me hear you say one more time that Moses law is abolished and I will tell you that your father is not YHWH. You might as well listen to the Pharisees, because that what they did, they made His law of no effect by their traditions, and their teachings.
Laurel are you saying that God wrote the whole law the rules for the sacrificial feasts in stone?Sorry that's NOT what scripture says:
Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote down all the words of the LORD. He rose early in the morning and built an altar at the foot of the mountain, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
Deu 10:1 “At that time the LORD said to me, 'Cut for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to me on the mountain and make an ark of wood.
Deu 10:2 And I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets that you broke, and you shall put them in the ark.'
Deu 10:3 So I made an ark of acacia wood, and cut two tablets of stone like the first, and went up the mountain with the two tablets in my hand.
Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tablets, in the same writing as before, the Ten Commandments that the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain out of the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly. And the LORD gave them to me.What LAW did God write? The Ten Commandments.
Deu 10:5 Then I turned and came down from the mountain and put the tablets in the ark that I had made. And there they are, as the LORD commanded me.”
Deu 31:9 Then Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi, who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and to all the elders of Israel.
Deu 31:26 “Take this Book of the Law and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.
God wrote HIS law in stone showing that they would NOT be done away with. He then gave Moses law and Moses wrote the law NOT GOD! The stone tables were placed INSIDE the ark. Moses' law was placed IN THE SIDE of the ark. NOT INSIDE the ark with the law that God wrote.
You want scriptural proof:
1Ki 8:9 There was nothing in the ark except the two tablets of stone that Moses put there at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the people of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote down
Deu 31:9 Then Moses wrote this law
****Deu 10:4 And he [GOD] wrote on the tablets, in the same writing as before, the Ten Commandments that the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain out of the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly. And the LORD gave them to me.
Deu. 10:5… came down from the mountain and put the tablets in the ark
Deu 31:26 “Take this Book of the Law and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant
Again God wrote the TEN COMMANDMENTS
God DID NOT write any other LAW He gave the rest of the Law to Moses and Moses WROTE that law down in a BOOK.
The book of the Law that MOSES WROTE was placed IN/on the SIDE of the ark NOT INSIDE the Ark where the Ten Commandments were placed.
Later Solomon had the ark opened and NOTHING was there but the tables that God wrote the TEN COMMANDMENTS.NOW Prove this wrong WITH scripture
If you can't then let scripture be true and man a liar that he is!
Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 09 2007,18:32) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 09 2007,17:59) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 09 2007,15:29) Why did Peter say Paul's writings are hard to understand?
Peter got in trouble by Paul for shrinking back……falling back into his old ways (hanging out with the circumcised boys and neglecting the non-circumcised guys). I think Peter liked to hang on to the Law. He knew what to expect, and what was expected from him. It was safe.But Paul took the Law and said, “Love outside the box!” and that was a difficult thing. All of a sudden, you weren't supposed to care if the brother sitting next to you was circumcised or not – they were still supposed to be your brother! That was hard for folks like Peter who were die-hards for the letter of the Law. Remember when the Lord gave Peter the vision of the animals and told him to “….kill and eat!” and he said, “Never Lord – no unclean thing has touched these lips.” Well, again, another hard lesson for this devout Jewish man.
Loving through barriers has always been a “hard to understand.”
Anyway, my two cents for ya Ken.
It is your opinion that Peter got in trouble for “hanging out with circumcised boys”.It is my opinion that this was not the case. The way I understand it, we learn Peter was hiding form Paul. Scripture dose not say why, but it does tell us they were eating together.
I know that Y'shua was against the “hand washing” ritual that was taught by the Pharisees. I think it is quite possible that Peter partook of this hand washing ritual, because it was always done before meals.
Actually, the scripture does say why Peter was shrinking back from the circumcised group.Galations 2:12
Before certain men came from James, he [Peter] used to eat with the Gentiles. but when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the curcumcision group.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 10 2007,11:34) Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 09 2007,18:32) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 09 2007,17:59) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 09 2007,15:29) Why did Peter say Paul's writings are hard to understand?
Peter got in trouble by Paul for shrinking back……falling back into his old ways (hanging out with the circumcised boys and neglecting the non-circumcised guys). I think Peter liked to hang on to the Law. He knew what to expect, and what was expected from him. It was safe.But Paul took the Law and said, “Love outside the box!” and that was a difficult thing. All of a sudden, you weren't supposed to care if the brother sitting next to you was circumcised or not – they were still supposed to be your brother! That was hard for folks like Peter who were die-hards for the letter of the Law. Remember when the Lord gave Peter the vision of the animals and told him to “….kill and eat!” and he said, “Never Lord – no unclean thing has touched these lips.” Well, again, another hard lesson for this devout Jewish man.
Loving through barriers has always been a “hard to understand.”
Anyway, my two cents for ya Ken.
It is your opinion that Peter got in trouble for “hanging out with circumcised boys”.It is my opinion that this was not the case. The way I understand it, we learn Peter was hiding form Paul. Scripture dose not say why, but it does tell us they were eating together.
I know that Y'shua was against the “hand washing” ritual that was taught by the Pharisees. I think it is quite possible that Peter partook of this hand washing ritual, because it was always done before meals.
Actually, the scripture does say why Peter was shrinking back from the circumcised group.Galations 2:12
Before certain men came from James, he [Peter] used to eat with the Gentiles. but when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the curcumcision group.
So in your opinon Peter was “getting back at Paul”? OR was Peter saying that we should keep Moses law in spite of Paul's teachings?I know Paul kept God's law, Rom 7:25. But as anyone can see Paul's writings are hard to understand because he doesn't make clear which law he is speaking about.
IMHO
I believe that Peter was saying that some misunderstand Paul's writings to say that God's Law has been done away with and so error.2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
Knowing this before hand….knowing what? That Paul's writings are hard to understand about the law. Because lawless people errored in twisting Paul's writings.
I had forgotten about Peter crawfishing back when the Jews showed up.
Hey see they were HUMAN too! GOD diddent speak after ex 23, from ex 24 on thru the rest of exidus, when they refer to LORD this is that angle with GOD's name in him,satan,not GOD, just as it is not god in 2 sam 24,when it says LORD, but satan.for GOD is the TRUTH,and he tempts no one.read 1 cronicles 21,its satan.GOD said dont murder your brother,moses said every one murder your brother,god said no graven images,moses said make graven images that we may worship the host of heaven,GOD can not lie.so are these feasts from GOD or ,satan,hmmm,. me know the passover is of GOD.if GOD gave it before ex 24 its from him,if it was changed after ex 24 its just the tradition of men,unless jesus said any thing about a better way to keep these feasts.as far as the laws of GOD, the same applies. god dident speak after ex 23.so if it was given before,it stands forever,for GOD never changes.jesus came to fullfil the law not to change it, until heaven and earth pass not one jot or tittle will change from the law,GODS law not satans!!!!!!if this truely is your god after ex 23,then you must plan on spending an eternity with a liar,and murderer.to me this cant be ,me dont want to spend one moment with a liar,let alone for eternity,if this is your god when you get there with him,he might just say,i love you!!,then tell you he hates you because he is a liar,satan.
let every man be a liar and GOD the TRUTH!!!!even moses the one who will accuse us is a liar ,for he makes GOD out to be a LIAR,by his wrightings ,sadly he was decieved in his pride,GOD is the TRUTH,not a liar!!!!!
Quote (michaels @ Aug. 10 2007,14:20) let every man be a liar and GOD the TRUTH!!!!even moses the one who will accuse us is a liar ,for he makes GOD out to be a LIAR,by his wrightings ,sadly he was decieved in his pride,GOD is the TRUTH,not a liar!!!!!
Michaels,Do you have a church? Do you have a Shepard or a Bible study leader? A mentor?
You seriously need the Spirit, brother. The Spirit teaches us all truth. You have strayed quite a ways from this path of truth into your own ideas and theories. This is dangerous ground that you stand on. Have you any witnesses for what you believe?
Ken,
Sometimes I think Peter and the boys felt that Paul's writings were hard to understand simply because Paul ministered to the Gentiles and they were Jews! As far as the Law goes, I confess that I haven't done much study there, so I don't feel qualified to give an answer. But I do believe that the Father gave Paul a ministry that encompassed a more difficult crowd, and because of that he had to use more diverse teachings. To the Jews, it was the Law that was in question. To the Gentiles it was everything else!
Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 10 2007,11:34) Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 09 2007,18:32) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 09 2007,17:59) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 09 2007,15:29) Why did Peter say Paul's writings are hard to understand?
Peter got in trouble by Paul for shrinking back……falling back into his old ways (hanging out with the circumcised boys and neglecting the non-circumcised guys). I think Peter liked to hang on to the Law. He knew what to expect, and what was expected from him. It was safe.But Paul took the Law and said, “Love outside the box!” and that was a difficult thing. All of a sudden, you weren't supposed to care if the brother sitting next to you was circumcised or not – they were still supposed to be your brother! That was hard for folks like Peter who were die-hards for the letter of the Law. Remember when the Lord gave Peter the vision of the animals and told him to “….kill and eat!” and he said, “Never Lord – no unclean thing has touched these lips.” Well, again, another hard lesson for this devout Jewish man.
Loving through barriers has always been a “hard to understand.”
Anyway, my two cents for ya Ken.
It is your opinion that Peter got in trouble for “hanging out with circumcised boys”.It is my opinion that this was not the case. The way I understand it, we learn Peter was hiding form Paul. Scripture dose not say why, but it does tell us they were eating together.
I know that Y'shua was against the “hand washing” ritual that was taught by the Pharisees. I think it is quite possible that Peter partook of this hand washing ritual, because it was always done before meals.
Actually, the scripture does say why Peter was shrinking back from the circumcised group.Galations 2:12
Before certain men came from James, he [Peter] used to eat with the Gentiles. but when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the curcumcision group.
Please read it again. It says Peter was with the “uncircumcised” gentiles eating. James saw him and reported it to probably Paul who was supposed to be teaching the gentiles. Peter hid himself from James and the others who were circumcised. Peter knew he was at fault.
Scripture still does not say directly what he did that he was blamed for. But there is a couple hints.Barnabuas took sides with Peter.
Gal. 2:14 says how are the gentiles supposed to learn the Jewish ways of Y'shua if you are acting like one of the the gentiles?
Gal.2:9 Says Peter and Paul and John had an agreement, Peter and John would teach the Jews and Paul and Barnabus would teach the gentiles.
Possibly when James saw Peter with the gentiles it looked to him like Peter went against the prior agreement .
Lying is breaking the law and is againt the gospel Y'shua preached. Peter caused division among the group even if only temporary. One should keep his agreement.
Sin causes division even among the taught ones of Messiah.Like that?
Kejonn.
I just want to say that I read your post about the law and I got a little choked up. I didn't see anyone compliment you for the thoughts in your heart. You wrote a very inspiring message there and I just want to say BEAUTIFUL JOB. I really mean that. I think I'll go back and read it again and even save it to my computer, if you don't mind.Not3, I just want to say MichaelS is trying to understand the Word just like we are. I see he is specifically trying to believe only YHWH our Elohim and Y'shua our Messiah. He does not trust man. Scripture tells us to do exactly that.
There are some thing he does understand yet. There are some thing I do not understand yet. I think you are in the same boat correct?
I know it is frustrating to see someone test Scripture, but try to use Scripture to show your point.
I hear others here beside MichaelS that think Moses law was nailed to the cross. It is not just MichaelS.
As for me, I know it was not Moses law that was nailed to the cross, because Moses gave YHWH's laws that still stand.
Besides “man's laws”, enmity died on the cross. And Y'shua's blood was the final atonement four the sins of the world, so there be no more animal sacrifices. That is what died with Him. His blood sealed the new covenant and upheld the laws of YHWH, just as He did when He was alive and teaching the laws, and the coming kingdom. If anything Y'shua mad the lwas even more strict by saying that if we even think to sin we are guilty!
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