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Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 09 2007,05:01) The word Sabbath means rest. In Biblical times the days were simply numbered. Day One, Day Two, Day Three and so on untill the seventh day wich YHWH called Shabbat. Rest Day. Day One is now called Sunday thanks to Rome and Rest Day or Shabbat is now called Saturday after the god and planet Saturn.
Here is Sabbath presented in other languages:
Hebrew Shabbat
Portugese (Spanish) Sabado
French Samedi
Why did the apostles pick corn on the Sabbath?Would you please get rid of the numbers? They HARD for me to read the scriptures you are trying to point out!
But from what I gathered you keep the Sabbath to the letter of the law just as MAN has taught.
This is a NEW COVENANT we no longer sacrifice animals. We no longer have to worry about leaven being in our home to “REMIND” us of sin. We have the Holy Spirit that will convict us.
Again Pentecost wasn't fulfilled until after the resurrection of our LORD. The people of the Old Covenant of animals and rituals had the letter of the law and THAT'S ALL!
Jesus made the law SPIRITUAL.
Again:
Mat 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.'
Mat 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire.Mat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.The Sabbath is also Spiritual. The apostles were hungry so they picked corn. The Lord of the Sabbath was right their with them and the Lord of the Sabbath lives in my heart. I don't need any person (Pharisee) to tell me what I can and can't do on the Sabbath no more than the apostles needed permission to pick corn.
As I said the SDA the WWCG and whatever Sabbath keeping church that I know of make the Sabbath a burden they would say “YOU CAN'T PICK CORN ON THE SABBATH”.
The Father CREATED the Sabbath Day for rest and fellowship with Him and our brothers and sisters. And if need be I'll cook on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for MAN and (BTW) not just Jews.
Laurel can you pick corn on the Sabbath?
IHN&L,
Ken
Ken,
The numbers are when I copy and paste from the KJV. Program installed on my computer. I would have to manually delete all of them. I will if time allows. Sorry about that.The apostles picked corn on the Sabbath because they were hungry. It is not againts YHWH's law to peel a banana on the Sabbath either.
Legalisim is taking the law and making it impossible to keep. Legalism takes away the proper meaning of the law by imposing regulations that make the Sabbath a pain in the butt, rather than a joy.
Note it was the Pharisees with there man made self imposed regulations who said it was wrong. On the contrary Y'shua defended the law, and the meaning of it when He said, If a sheep was lost on the Sabbath, wouldn't you fetch it? and If someone is sick and dying wouln't you help that person?
It is right to to good on the Sabbath.
As for the rest of you post dealing with laws, it would do you much to to see the difference between the perfect law of YHWH and the self imposed laws of man.
Also to see that the law is to be kept by faith, and not by the letter, which means that the only way to be saved it two fold, guard the commands and believe Y'shua is the Messiah and the Son of Elohim. The law can not save, it only points out what sin is.
Look at the verses as if you understood that the law of YHWH is good. Look at the verses keeping in mind that the laws of men keep us from the good things in YHWH's law.
Experiment. Test. You will see a new way and that all Scripture is good and profitable. Try it.
Quote (acertainchap @ Aug. 09 2007,00:59) The Sabbath is on Sunday, then, correct?
No! Chap Sunday is the Harlet's day. The Sabbath starts at sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.Laurel,
I don't see how you separate the feast from the offering?
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
You say that the law that was nailed to the cross were man's law, the laws of the Pharisees. But in the above scripture Jesus says “concerning me”. Was He not the Lamb of God?
Doesn't the rituals as well as the offering deal with sin that Jesus died for?
Why is ok to pick corn on the Sabbath but you have to get every bread crum out of your house for the day's of unleavened bread?
OH! Before I forget you can down load FREE bible texts I use E-Sword others use GateWay. Just go to google and type in E-Sword or GateWay and then download the program and IT'S FREE.
You'll get about 6 or 7 different translations besides the KJV and the KJV+.
Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 08 2007,13:16) Ken,
The numbers are when I copy and paste from the KJV. Program installed on my computer. I would have to manually delete all of them. I will if time allows. Sorry about that.
Laurel,Are you using e-sword? The default Bible is KJV+ with Strong's numbers. You can download free copies of many other translations from the e-sword.net website, including KJVA which will allow you to have KJV without the Strong's numbers.
Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 09 2007,00:56) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 08 2007,18:27) Boy, it's getting pretty bad when you ask a straight-forward question (when is the Sabbath) and you can't get a straight answer. Laurel, did I understand you correctly that the Sabbath is on Sunday – the first day of the week?
Sis I asked you if you were keeping the Sabbath you said yes. You would never give up the day of rest or something like that. So naturally I thought you knew WHEN the Seventh Day of the week was and when the Day started.
Hmmmmmmmm
Hi Ken,I do keep the Sabbath, but in my own way and on my own day. If it is optional (not required by law), then I am left to assume that anyday we make holy to God in our hearts will suffice.
But now that I am aware that the “official” Sabbath is Friday night to Sat night – I'll do my best. However, as a busy family, sometimes that is not possible. Perhaps it needs to be a priority, but then it would become a burden, and like you say, it shouldn't be. So, I'm kinda stuck for what to do. Thanks.Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 09 2007,09:51) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 09 2007,00:56) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 08 2007,18:27) Boy, it's getting pretty bad when you ask a straight-forward question (when is the Sabbath) and you can't get a straight answer. Laurel, did I understand you correctly that the Sabbath is on Sunday – the first day of the week?
Sis I asked you if you were keeping the Sabbath you said yes. You would never give up the day of rest or something like that. So naturally I thought you knew WHEN the Seventh Day of the week was and when the Day started.Hmmmmmmmm
Hi Ken,I do keep the Sabbath, but in my own way and on my own day. If it is optional (not required by law), then I am left to assume that anyday we make holy to God in our hearts will suffice.
But now that I am aware that the “official” Sabbath is Friday night to Sat night – I'll do my best. However, as a busy family, sometimes that is not possible. Perhaps it needs to be a priority, but then it would become a burden, and like you say, it shouldn't be. So, I'm kinda stuck for what to do. Thanks.You know what? Just ask the Spirit. Intend to keep it because it's a JOY not a burden. On the Sabbath you don't do any “labor” you give Dad all your attention. He lives in your praises. God is love and loves to be loved
a divided kingdom will not stand, me believe GOD comes thru water and satan thru oil. for as water and oil cannot be mixed, but are divided. you may think the oil is greater, because it floats on the water, .but without the water ,that is GOD, the oil cannot float. so the water if everything GOOD. GOD allows the oil to float that we may be tested, for he said he would choose thier delusions.
me agree keeping the sabath the way god intended is no hardship,and for those who say diferently.GOD has something very special for you,a mill stone!!!! paul wears many of these as a thorn in his side,for leading so many away from the truth,even though it may not have been intentional,for it came thru pride,we all are accountable for our words.be very careful little ears not to be decieved by things not of ythe father.
michaels,
I said I was not going to respond to you anymore, but I can't stand you constantly putting down certain parts of scripture. Please provide concrete evidence that Paul was an apostate and not an apostle.
here is your concrete evidence,a divided kingdom cannot stand,how many continue in sin because of pauls gosple,even if this is not what he wanted to happen,it did,and who is responsible for the words that he wrote,but he himself,without pauls words the kingdom would not be divided,some things he wrote are truth,for they line up with the truth,others can be easily misconstrued to mean whatever men want,GOD is the TRUTH.how many diferent denominations/division have come out of pauls wrighting,GOD is not of division,if it divides all who love jesus, how can it be of GOD.
Michaels,
Opinion is not proof. Show me where Paul opposed Jesus in his teachings. That is the evidence I require.michaels It was not Paul who brought about the divisions in the Churches. You sure do not know your Bible History. It was first the Roman emperors who killed Millions of Christians including Paul, and then it was the Catholic Church who killed millions more. The Christians were not aloud to read the Bible, if they did they first were tortured and then killed. Then Martin Luther caused the divisions between the Catholic Church. It was Luther who started the Protestant Church. There is were the divisions started.
Paul's word had nothing to do with it. Nobody sinned because of Paul's word. They sin because of Satan and because they are Human and if you think you are without sin the truth is not in you John teaches us. We all still sin and fall short of the glory of God.
I hope you stop accusing Paul of so many things. Judge not so you wont be judged.Romans 14:13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this , not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our Brother's way.
Peace to you Mrs.
MIM,
Amen. Once you start doubting one part of scripture, Satan works himself unto you. After all, he doesn't tell you anything, he just says things to make you doubt.
Gen 3:4 The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die!
Gen 3:5 “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”I look at it this way: if you doubt one part of scripture, give your Bible to someone who can use it. It then becomes a matter of what you want to believe rather than what is written.
Quote (michaels @ Aug. 09 2007,13:56) here is your concrete evidence,a divided kingdom cannot stand,how many continue in sin because of pauls gosple,even if this is not what he wanted to happen,it did,and who is responsible for the words that he wrote,but he himself,without pauls words the kingdom would not be divided,some things he wrote are truth,for they line up with the truth,others can be easily misconstrued to mean whatever men want,GOD is the TRUTH.how many diferent denominations/division have come out of pauls wrighting,GOD is not of division,if it divides all who love jesus, how can it be of GOD.
Mike that's why Peter said Paul's writings are hard to understand. Paul's writings SEEM to say that God's law are done away with, but Paul didn't teach that people twist Paul's writing to WHAT they WANT to believe to their own destruction teaching that God's laws are for Jews only OR completely done away with. 2Peter3:15-17Unless you or anyone understands that their is a separation of the Law of God and the law of Moses then they will twist Paul's writings. If people don't understand this then Paul contradicts himself and actually looks like a hypocrite.
1 corinthians 15:28 that god may be all in all,GOD is ALL in ALL,GOD is every thing,and he never changes,so isent he trying to change GOD here. romans6:14 where does jesus say you are not under the law,but under grace,jesus said go and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon you,me dont remember him saying you are not under the law ,but grace,this is pauls gosple,romans 7:6 where does jesus say we are deliverd from the law,for the law is part of GOD, are we delivered from GOD.just as he audibley spoke everything into being,he spoke the law.and it was good.me have many other qualms about this, but dont have the time to look at them all rite now,but me will and list them all,some time soon,may the father lead us into all truth,for he is the TRUTH
Quote (michaels @ Aug. 09 2007,15:07) 1 corinthians 15:28 that god may be all in all,GOD is ALL in ALL,GOD is every thing,and he never changes,so isent he trying to change GOD here. romans6:14 where does jesus say you are not under the law,but under grace,jesus said go and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon you,me dont remember him saying you are not under the law ,but grace,this is pauls gosple,romans 7:6 where does jesus say we are deliverd from the law,for the law is part of GOD, are we delivered from GOD.just as he audibley spoke everything into being,he spoke the law.and it was good.me have many other qualms about this, but dont have the time to look at them all rite now,but me will and list them all,some time soon,may the father lead us into all truth,for he is the TRUTH
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.Luk 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
Paul serves God's Law.
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
1Co 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.
” Not being outside the Law of God but under the Law of Christ”
Paul says HE WAS NOT WITHOUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS……BUT HE HAS FAITH THAT CHRIST FULFILLED THE LAW OF MOSES…THE SACRIFICAL LAW.
So Paul doesn't teach that God's Law was done away with but he teaches that we are under grace and if we have faith that Jesus was the Lamb of God then we no longer have to keep the feasts and offerings of Moses.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
What mattered to Paul was keeping God's law. But not the law of Moses.
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
I asked a number of times and I ask again.
Why did Peter say Paul's writings are hard to understand?
How about YOU: Steve, Mandy, t8, kejonn, 94, charity, Laurel, WJ, CB, ANYONE, ANYONE at all;…Stu
Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 09 2007,11:12) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 09 2007,09:51) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 09 2007,00:56) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 08 2007,18:27) Boy, it's getting pretty bad when you ask a straight-forward question (when is the Sabbath) and you can't get a straight answer. Laurel, did I understand you correctly that the Sabbath is on Sunday – the first day of the week?
Sis I asked you if you were keeping the Sabbath you said yes. You would never give up the day of rest or something like that. So naturally I thought you knew WHEN the Seventh Day of the week was and when the Day started.Hmmmmmmmm
Hi Ken,I do keep the Sabbath, but in my own way and on my own day. If it is optional (not required by law), then I am left to assume that anyday we make holy to God in our hearts will suffice.
But now that I am aware that the “official” Sabbath is Friday night to Sat night – I'll do my best. However, as a busy family, sometimes that is not possible. Perhaps it needs to be a priority, but then it would become a burden, and like you say, it shouldn't be. So, I'm kinda stuck for what to do. Thanks.You know what? Just ask the Spirit. Intend to keep it because it's a JOY not a burden. On the Sabbath you don't do any “labor” you give Dad all your attention. He lives in your praises. God is love and loves to be loved
Good advice, thanks!
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