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Quote (VestnikRA @ Oct. 25 2008,07:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2008,07:21) Hi V,
I am so happy you are so sure you are secure.
Do you have any proofs of this security apart from your god feelings?
For myself I don't need any proof apart from God feeling. But it is just waste of time trying to explain this feeling to other people.
Can you explain a rainbow? here is the same.
Can you explain a rainbow? Yes!Can you explain the feelings stirred in humans by things like rainbows? Yes!
No need for a god to do that.
I think it says a lot that it is a waste of time trying to explain it to others. That does not stop the deluded from trying to tediously explain their god-feelings, it seems.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 25 2008,09:59) Quote (VestnikRA @ Oct. 25 2008,07:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2008,07:21) Hi V,
I am so happy you are so sure you are secure.
Do you have any proofs of this security apart from your god feelings?
For myself I don't need any proof apart from God feeling. But it is just waste of time trying to explain this feeling to other people.
Can you explain a rainbow? here is the same.
Can you explain a rainbow? Yes!Can you explain the feelings stirred in humans by things like rainbows? Yes!
No need for a god to do that.
I think it says a lot that it is a waste of time trying to explain it to others. That does not stop the deluded from trying to tediously explain their god-feelings, it seems.
Stuart
How do you explain a rainbow? Would you do it so that a person who has never seen it before would clearly get an idea of a rainbow and experience similar feeeling of it?
No, you can't !
The same with God. How can you explain God? God is beyond the grasp of the mind by definition. You can only feel God when you experience God, when you get a personal experience of God.By the way, I have never tried to sell my belief and ideas here.
You ask me and I only answer your questions.Hi V,
God is close to all of us.
And he has written of Himself in the universe.
He has sent messages to men through the prophets and now His son Jesus.Have you heard?
Quote (VestnikRA @ Oct. 25 2008,17:07) By the way, I have never tried to sell my belief and ideas here.
You ask me and I only answer your questions.
Hi VestnikRAYeah that's what they all say!
I cannot induce in someone else the same feelings of observing a rainbow as I myself have. The details of our feelings are unique to each of us.
It is the same way with 'feelings of god'. Because gods are imaginary, there are 5,000,000,000 different 'feelings of god'. The explanation of why people perceive things that are not real includes all the gaps that our pattern-seeking brains fill in for us based on assumptions which are often not true. We delude ourselves just to deal with all that sensory data.
So my explanation of a rainbow is the technical one you might read in a science text, plus the explanations from neuroscience of why humans perceive beauty in nature, or in anything. I would have to stop there and allow my explainee to experience their own feelings. They should do so in the light of as much scientific knowledge as possible, in order to appreciate the maximum possible experience of beauty. That is much more powerful than a mystical or religious sense of beauty. Such people are only pretending!
Thanks for asking!
Stuart
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2008,17:51) Hi V,
God is close to all of us.
And he has written of Himself in the universe.
He has sent messages to men through the prophets and now His son Jesus.Have you heard?
Hi NickThe author of Isaiah would have screwed up and thrown away his writings had he known that in the future humans would be able to predict eclipses and other astronomical events to the minute, including the percentage of the obscured object that would be covered, hundreds of years in advance. He would have known his predictions were worse than a psychic's cold reading by comparison.
What is 'written in the universe' of your god? Anything that would stand up even in a small claims tribunal court? There is no evidence for god and you ignore so much discussion on the subject here. God does not exist outside the human skull, that is what is written in the universe.
Are you still convinced that Jesus existed at all?
Stuart
Nick, Stuart, you know , it was a great pleasure talking with you guys!
I'll tell what. Stuart, you are right. And you, Nick are right too. And I am right as well!
We are like three blind sages trying to get an idea of an elefant by touching it from different sides.
One, touching its tail says that elefant is like a snake.
Another one touching its leg, says that elefant is like a big pillar and the third one touching its proboscis says that elefant is like a very thick hose.
Whereas an elefant is still something different.Ves,
You have met the boards polar opposites! Stu is our resident atheist and Nick is our resident “believe the bible as I believe it or you're wrong” Christian.
Hope you enjoy your stay!
Quote (VestnikRA @ Oct. 25 2008,18:22) Nick, Stuart, you know , it was a great pleasure talking with you guys!
I'll tell what. Stuart, you are right. And you, Nick are right too. And I am right as well!
We are like three blind sages trying to get an idea of an elefant by touching it from different sides.
One, touching its tail says that elefant is like a snake.
Another one touching its leg, says that elefant is like a big pillar and the third one touching its proboscis says that elefant is like a very thick hose.
Whereas an elefant is still something different.
I think christians stand blind near the elephant and remark on the huge long neck, tiny ears and giant pinscers they think they can feel.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 11 2008,01:10) On the contrary, I believe many things very firmly. I also have empiricism and reason on my side so (once again) you are wrong about it being faith.
I agree. Believing that a singularity came from nothing or has existed in some for for eternity is not faith, but foolishness. Even scripture backs that one up.To deny God or a creator is foolishness.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 26 2008,10:22) Quote (Stu @ July 11 2008,01:10) On the contrary, I believe many things very firmly. I also have empiricism and reason on my side so (once again) you are wrong about it being faith.
I agree. Believing that a singularity came from nothing or has existed in some for for eternity is not faith, but foolishness. Even scripture backs that one up.To deny God or a creator is foolishness.
Can you please show me the verse(s) that back up “Believing that a singularity came from nothing or has existed in some for for eternity is not faith, but foolishness.”It does not even have any proper meaning, let alone being an assertion that ancient goat herders and tent makers could have written about.
To imply that a potential believer is a fool is foohardy, according to scripture.
Stuart
Stu ,
Shame on you.
Imagine asking for the verse as if finding something written would prove something to you.
For the sake of atheists everywhere please withdraw the request.Quote (Stu @ Oct. 26 2008,10:13) I think christians stand blind near the elephant and remark on the huge long neck, tiny ears and giant pinscers they think they can feel. Stuart
Stuart, what makes you think that you are less blind than Christians?
Science will never be able to axplain everything in the world.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 26 2008,13:05) Stu ,
Shame on you.
Imagine asking for the verse as if finding something written would prove something to you.
For the sake of atheists everywhere please withdraw the request.
t8 said that scripture backed up his inarticulate strawman of the big bang (at least that's what I think it was). So my challenge stands, and I am surprised that you are discouraging an atheist from seeking answers in scripture. Don't you burn for doing that?Stuart
Quote (VestnikRA @ Oct. 26 2008,19:06) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 26 2008,10:13) I think christians stand blind near the elephant and remark on the huge long neck, tiny ears and giant pinscers they think they can feel. Stuart
Stuart, what makes you think that you are less blind than Christians?
Science will never be able to axplain everything in the world.
Science stretches as far as the limits of the empirical world. There are 'places' we can imagine but cannot look, for example we will not be able to observe objects less than 10^-35 metres in size because the energy needed to do so would collapse to form a black hole.The religious do not have any special powers of understanding over and above anyone else, they are subject to exactly the same constraints. The fantasy world of truth claims they construct is just as valid or invalid as any fantasy world of truth claims I cared to construct that fell outside the empirical world.
If you claim there is a god of the Judeo-christian kind (or the Space Love kind of whatever) then you have no argument against the Flying Spaghetti Monster (bless his noodly appendage).
Stuart
Stuart, true non-believers are so rarely met nowadays!
I am really honored to speak with you!
Althought you also believe in something like Big Boom, don't you? Inspite of the fact that you never seen it.Quote (VestnikRA @ Oct. 26 2008,20:37) Stuart, true non-believers are so rarely met nowadays!
I am really honored to speak with you!
Althought you also believe in something like Big Boom, don't you? Inspite of the fact that you never seen it.
Turn on your TV, detune it and watch the black and white dots dancing on the screen.4% of what you are watching is the signal of the microwave radiation left over from the big bang. Now you too have seen the evidence!
I assume you believe in forensic science? I did not have to be there to know it happened.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 25 2008,17:22) Quote (Stu @ July 11 2008,01:10) On the contrary, I believe many things very firmly. I also have empiricism and reason on my side so (once again) you are wrong about it being faith.
I agree. Believing that a singularity came from nothing or has existed in some for for eternity is not faith, but foolishness. Even scripture backs that one up.To deny God or a creator is foolishness.
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