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Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 23 2010,13:15) Ed, Where do you draw the line between making a judgement and stateing a observed characteristic? I believe judgeing is where you think “they are doing so-and-so so they are going to hell” but a characteristic statement would be “they are mean spirited and do not build up Gods Kingdom” . Especialy when you add IMO. That means that as far as I personally know I think this…… Am I judging pierre?
Hi Mark,Do you want me to answer your question or
are you satisfied with your own answer given?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeangel @ Sep. 22 2010,00:24) IMO, What I think is alot of people leave a church because of what some man or woman does or does not do. I do believe there are some churches that do miss the point. Look at the seven churches is Revalation. He does not tel them to abandon ship. On the contrary, he tells one of them to hold on until he comes. Do not get me wrong. I know well enough that there is not one church that does every thing asked of them in the bible, thats what the devil has wroght. He naturally goes after them first, because the lost are his anyway, requireing no effort on his part. He directs his energy against Gods people and those who obey his commandments, but the ones who truely do are protected by him. Noone is perfect. No church is perfect. But they are Gods family. Are you trying to say that all who go to church are lost? Good things and charity to the poor are in the heart of alot of churches. In the same way, not all who do not go to church are lost, but the ones I believe who do will get the most credit are those who still go despite the “bad apples” found in most churches, and those whose mission it is to conquer them with love. I'm one of them. I write letters to my church leaders telling them of what I believe is wrong, and participate in the things I believe are good, and so enjoy the ones there who truely love me, and there are some. They share my pain when I hurt. They feel my joy when I am happy and add to it. You are missing out of so much when you say in your heart that all churches are bad and you are good. You claim to follow scripture and be rightious while ignoring all the scriptures about assembling with your brothers, convicting yourself of transgression and hypocricy by your own fingers. IMO You make yourself out to be God.IMO You live a lie.IMO You are disrespecting to what God loves. IMO you have denounced your baptism into Gods family while finding fault in others instead of building up Gods people. I pray fior you that God will open your eyes and realise that you cannot store up treasure in heaven merely by quoting scripture. Satan quoted scripture but it doesn't mean he was rightious . Godbless
Hi Mike,Jesus said “Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them.” TWO OR THREE does that say 20, 30, 50, hundreds ? I believe it is true that with two or three He is there,
Churches…
Most of them believe in eternal hell torment, most believe they are saved, where is the love in believing you go to heaven while others will suffer forever in torment? What is there to be happy about ?
God is love. God doesnt do that, Scripture say's that in the last day's, the love will grow cold, well the last days have been thousands of years, Jesus said false teachings would creep in,
Matthew 17
“Now I beg you, brothers, look out for those who are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and turn away from them. For those who are such don't serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and flattering speech, they deceive the hearts of the innocent.,
Doing things to obtain a reward and avoid punishment is changing the hearts of people.
Do you believe in eternal hell torment ?
Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 21 2010,17:24) IMO, What I think is alot of people leave a church because of what some man or woman does or does not do. I do believe there are some churches that do miss the point. Look at the seven churches is Revalation. He does not tel them to abandon ship. On the contrary, he tells one of them to hold on until he comes. Do not get me wrong. I know well enough that there is not one church that does every thing asked of them in the bible, thats what the devil has wroght. He naturally goes after them first, because the lost are his anyway, requireing no effort on his part. He directs his energy against Gods people and those who obey his commandments, but the ones who truely do are protected by him. Noone is perfect. No church is perfect. But they are Gods family. Are you trying to say that all who go to church are lost? Good things and charity to the poor are in the heart of alot of churches. In the same way, not all who do not go to church are lost, but the ones I believe who do will get the most credit are those who still go despite the “bad apples” found in most churches, and those whose mission it is to conquer them with love. I'm one of them. I write letters to my church leaders telling them of what I believe is wrong, and participate in the things I believe are good, and so enjoy the ones there who truely love me, and there are some. They share my pain when I hurt. They feel my joy when I am happy and add to it. You are missing out of so much when you say in your heart that all churches are bad and you are good. You claim to follow scripture and be rightious while ignoring all the scriptures about assembling with your brothers, convicting yourself of transgression and hypocricy by your own fingers. IMO You make yourself out to be God.IMO You live a lie.IMO You are disrespecting to what God loves. IMO you have denounced your baptism into Gods family while finding fault in others instead of building up Gods people. I pray fior you that God will open your eyes and realise that you cannot store up treasure in heaven merely by quoting scripture. Satan quoted scripture but it doesn't mean he was rightious . Godbless
Mikeangel,Im glad you found a Church, Once upon a time i onced served a Church.
And once upon a time, as a leader i saw all the flaws and mistakes and even the discieving nature that fell upon the people.
One day i was betrayed and my whole world crashed around me.
Be wary of the church with Four walls, I love the people too, but dont end up serving the building, dont end up serving the idea presented within the Church, dont serve their imaginations and what they think is Good,Rememeber to always pick up your cross and Follow Him!
people are saved despite of the errors of the church of four walls,
Just be careful brother I know that God is with you and he will never let you down,
But remeber that they at one time said “hossanna hosanna” to Jesus when he entered Jeruslem,
Dont forget they were the same people who yelled “crucify him! CRUCIFY HIM!”This is what happened to me, dont get comfortable.
They will praise you at first but deny it,
the same one who praise you at first are the same one who will crucify you in the end.Rememeber we will share in Christ afflictions and in his sorrows,
Dont forget we will suffer his name sakes,
not from strangers nor from distant enemies,
but from those that we know, and that we love,
Thosed who taught us, and those we have Taught,Just dont forget to whom you serve,
This is just a advice with lots of Love,
I dont know you, nor do i know your story, or your testimony,But i been through it,
Dont get comfortable, and when the Lord tells you to run, Run for your life brother, Run.The Persecution comes from our own brothers in arms.
Thats why it hurts so much,2Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 25 2010,19:54) Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 22 2010,00:24) IMO, What I think is alot of people leave a church because of what some man or woman does or does not do. I do believe there are some churches that do miss the point. Look at the seven churches is Revalation. He does not tel them to abandon ship. On the contrary, he tells one of them to hold on until he comes. Do not get me wrong. I know well enough that there is not one church that does every thing asked of them in the bible, thats what the devil has wroght. He naturally goes after them first, because the lost are his anyway, requireing no effort on his part. He directs his energy against Gods people and those who obey his commandments, but the ones who truely do are protected by him. Noone is perfect. No church is perfect. But they are Gods family. Are you trying to say that all who go to church are lost? Good things and charity to the poor are in the heart of alot of churches. In the same way, not all who do not go to church are lost, but the ones I believe who do will get the most credit are those who still go despite the “bad apples” found in most churches, and those whose mission it is to conquer them with love. I'm one of them. I write letters to my church leaders telling them of what I believe is wrong, and participate in the things I believe are good, and so enjoy the ones there who truely love me, and there are some. They share my pain when I hurt. They feel my joy when I am happy and add to it. You are missing out of so much when you say in your heart that all churches are bad and you are good. You claim to follow scripture and be rightious while ignoring all the scriptures about assembling with your brothers, convicting yourself of transgression and hypocricy by your own fingers. IMO You make yourself out to be God.IMO You live a lie.IMO You are disrespecting to what God loves. IMO you have denounced your baptism into Gods family while finding fault in others instead of building up Gods people. I pray fior you that God will open your eyes and realise that you cannot store up treasure in heaven merely by quoting scripture. Satan quoted scripture but it doesn't mean he was rightious . Godbless
Hi Mike,Jesus said “Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them.” TWO OR THREE does that say 20, 30, 50, hundreds ? I believe it is true that with two or three He is there,
Churches…
Most of them believe in eternal hell torment, most believe they are saved, where is the love in believing you go to heaven while others will suffer forever in torment? What is there to be happy about ?
God is love. God doesnt do that, Scripture say's that in the last day's, the love will grow cold, well the last days have been thousands of years, Jesus said false teachings would creep in,
Matthew 17
“Now I beg you, brothers, look out for those who are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and turn away from them. For those who are such don't serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and flattering speech, they deceive the hearts of the innocent.,
Doing things to obtain a reward and avoid punishment is changing the hearts of people.
Do you believe in eternal hell torment ?
SF and Shimmer, Thank you for posting. First, I do believe in condemnation. It's a reality that is given in both testaments and more importantly by Jesus himself. The best example of this I believe is found in LK 16:19-31. Its about the beggar Lazarus, who was ignored by the rich man. It goes on to say that both died, and the poor man was in consolation and the rich man was in torment. v24 “He called out,' Father Abraham, have pity on me. Send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water to refresh my tounge, for I am tortured in these flames”. From Jesus I draw 2 conclusions-1# there is punishment for those who live only for themselves in greed and #2 you can also be condemned not only for what you do(if you haven't repented) but also for what you do not do. You cannot feed the world, but I feel every christian should do anything other than nothing. On the subject of church. Yes Shimmer, you are absolutely right, 2 or 3. When you gather in his name he is right there. My wife and I do not go to the same church. Let me really stir the pot- I am Catholic and she is southern fried Baptist. We agree on needing Jesus for salvation and that we both love and need him, but besides that we do not discuss the differances. What we do though is when either one is faced with a crisis(we should do it all the time) we kneel in front of our bed, and I start out the prayer by saying exactly what you said (Jesus you said that when 2 or 3 are gathered in your name, You would be there, so we gather in your name and welcome you into our presence”, and then we pray. We both love our church families. I have been betrayed and forsaken by my church. I have voiced my differances and writted letters to my bishop. I have told them about things that are black and white wrong, while accepting that I myself am imperfect. I do know that the shepards will face a stricter accounting by God and naturally the higher up in the church someone is, the more arrogant and powerful they become. That is why I believe what Jesus also said “the first will come last and the last will come first” and lately churches are difficult to assimilate to. That also fulfills what you said “the love of most will go cold”. I just know that I pray about it and ask God to guide me in the right direction, and he impressed to me that even though there are some real pains in the butt in church, there are some really genuine and loving people there too. Incidentally , the best message I ever heard in 46 years of my life wasn't in my church or Cheryls, it was in a community christian church in Miss. Not to get into the whole message, but after 4 years I still remember the point- Contentment. It was about how a rich man could be dirt poor inside because he's never got enough, while a poor man could be totally happy because he is happy for what he has. Second to Jesus of courise, that changed my whole life. I sold my big house , moved down and fired the screwed up people in my company that I was putting up with just to keep making more money. I am sooo much happier now, point being is I have benifited from hearing a message in church that was good. From the hurt that some bad apples have caused people I don't judge anyone for not going, but IMO it can be good, and thanks for the advice. I am careful not to put my trust in church or preacher or priest, I trust God only. Love and peace- MarkQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,07:35) Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 23 2010,13:15) Ed, Where do you draw the line between making a judgement and stateing a observed characteristic? I believe judgeing is where you think “they are doing so-and-so so they are going to hell” but a characteristic statement would be “they are mean spirited and do not build up Gods Kingdom” . Especialy when you add IMO. That means that as far as I personally know I think this…… Am I judging pierre?
Hi Mark,Do you want me to answer your question or
are you satisfied with your own answer given?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hey Ed, Honestly, I do appriciate other peoples perspectives. What would be your opinion? PeaceMikeangel,
Abraham and Lazarus…Mike, remember that when Jesus spoke, he spoke in parables, I do believe that because God is just and fair there will be punishment as scripture says, but I also know that as God is just and fair, it will come to an end. What that punishment is, only God knows, but read original words Mike, Youngs literal Translation, or Parrallel Greek I think it is, the original words written say punishment is for a time (age) that is all. Then is judgment, then is either eternal death (the second death) or eternal life, God is fair, God is love, I asked this question out of frustration and anger at the unfairness, and I was given my answer, God showed me love, and I believe and i trust in him.
The gift of God is a eternal life, but God wants to give us a good heart, one that feels, (circumcision of the heart) the greatest commandments are love, and the more you see this the more you will see the story of love throughout the scriptures, (yes, even love has jealousy and protection and God did destroy enemies of his loved ones and will again)
Quote From Jesus I draw 2 conclusions-1# there is punishment for those who live only for themselves in greed and #2 you can also be condemned not only for what you do(if you haven't repented) but also for what you do not do. You cannot feed the world, but I feel every christian should do anything other than nothing. I agree. But out of pure motivation from the heart,
Quote Yes Shimmer, you are absolutely right, 2 or 3. When you gather in his name he is right there. My wife and I do not go to the same church. Let me really stir the pot- I am Catholic and she is southern fried Baptist. We agree on needing Jesus for salvation and that we both love and need him, but besides that we do not discuss the differances. What we do though is when either one is faced with a crisis(we should do it all the time) we kneel in front of our bed, and I start out the prayer by saying exactly what you said (Jesus you said that when 2 or 3 are gathered in your name, You would be there, so we gather in your name and welcome you into our presence”, and then we pray When you are before him as two or three he is there I believe that, it's good your whole family believe and can pray together,
Quote I have been betrayed and forsaken by my church. I have voiced my differances and writted letters to my bishop. I have told them about things that are black and white wrong, while accepting that I myself am imperfect. I do know that the shepards will face a stricter accounting by God and naturally the higher up in the church someone is, the more arrogant and powerful they become. That also fulfills what you said “the love of most will go cold”. There is conterfeit love, selfish love, all kinds of love, but the true love which identifies his people is what should be looked for. This is spirit and truth and such the Father seeks.
Quote I just know that I pray about it and ask God to guide me in the right direction, Thats good. Always be humble before God and seek what he desires and ask, and listen (be still and enter his peace)
Quote and he impressed to me that even though there are some real pains in the butt in church, there are some really genuine and loving people there too. I know, iv seen them too, they are there,
Quote Incidentally , the best message I ever heard in 46 years of my life wasn't in my church or Cheryls, it was in a community christian church in Miss. Not to get into the whole message, but after 4 years I still remember the point- Contentment. It was about how a rich man could be dirt poor inside because he's never got enough, while a poor man could be totally happy because he is happy for what he has. I agree, happy with just what you have,
Quote Second to Jesus of courise, that changed my whole life. I sold my big house , moved down and fired the screwed up people in my company that I was putting up with just to keep making more money. I am sooo much happier now, point being is I have benifited from hearing a message in church that was good. From the hurt that some bad apples have caused people I don't judge anyone for not going, but IMO it can be good, and thanks for the advice. I am careful not to put my trust in church or preacher or priest, I trust God only. Love and peace- Mark I had bad experiences in church, and good ones, growing up it was good, only when I was older, it wasnt. At school, aged about 14, my christian friends stuck their nose up at me, so I hung out with the bad kids, they understood more,
Then, without all of the details I had a bad experience with my partner and a church he was going to, so I never went to a church. Now, my beliefs are so different that I still dont think I ever will, though iv been invited to them, but I agree with you, there are many good people in them, but hey, I can still talk to them, it doesnt have to be in a building once a week, church isnt my thing, I feel fine without it.
But MikeAngel, if you are happy and strengthened by a church, that is good. Just always seek what God wants. And be carefull as there will be bad among the good, they will be there,
MA
you still did not answer my questions,
why in your church they holding hands ?
what is the origin of that practice??Pierre
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 27 2010,22:33) Mikeangel, Abraham and Lazarus…Mike, remember that when Jesus spoke, he spoke in parables, I do believe that because God is just and fair there will be punishment as scripture says, but I also know that as God is just and fair, it will come to an end. What that punishment is, only God knows, but read original words Mike, Youngs literal Translation, or Parrallel Greek I think it is, the original words written say punishment is for a time (age) that is all. Then is judgment, then is either eternal death (the second death) or eternal life, God is fair, God is love, I asked this question out of frustration and anger at the unfairness, and I was given my answer, God showed me love, and I believe and i trust in him.
The gift of God is a eternal life, but God wants to give us a good heart, one that feels, (circumcision of the heart) the greatest commandments are love, and the more you see this the more you will see the story of love throughout the scriptures, (yes, even love has jealousy and protection and God did destroy enemies of his loved ones and will again)
Quote From Jesus I draw 2 conclusions-1# there is punishment for those who live only for themselves in greed and #2 you can also be condemned not only for what you do(if you haven't repented) but also for what you do not do. You cannot feed the world, but I feel every christian should do anything other than nothing. I agree. But out of pure motivation from the heart,
Quote Yes Shimmer, you are absolutely right, 2 or 3. When you gather in his name he is right there. My wife and I do not go to the same church. Let me really stir the pot- I am Catholic and she is southern fried Baptist. We agree on needing Jesus for salvation and that we both love and need him, but besides that we do not discuss the differances. What we do though is when either one is faced with a crisis(we should do it all the time) we kneel in front of our bed, and I start out the prayer by saying exactly what you said (Jesus you said that when 2 or 3 are gathered in your name, You would be there, so we gather in your name and welcome you into our presence”, and then we pray When you are before him as two or three he is there I believe that, it's good your whole family believe and can pray together,
Quote I have been betrayed and forsaken by my church. I have voiced my differances and writted letters to my bishop. I have told them about things that are black and white wrong, while accepting that I myself am imperfect. I do know that the shepards will face a stricter accounting by God and naturally the higher up in the church someone is, the more arrogant and powerful they become. That also fulfills what you said “the love of most will go cold”. There is conterfeit love, selfish love, all kinds of love, but the true love which identifies his people is what should be looked for. This is spirit and truth and such the Father seeks.
Quote I just know that I pray about it and ask God to guide me in the right direction, Thats good. Always be humble before God and seek what he desires and ask, and listen (be still and enter his peace)
Quote and he impressed to me that even though there are some real pains in the butt in church, there are some really genuine and loving people there too. I know, iv seen them too, they are there,
Quote Incidentally , the best message I ever heard in 46 years of my life wasn't in my church or Cheryls, it was in a community christian church in Miss. Not to get into the whole message, but after 4 years I still remember the point- Contentment. It was about how a rich man could be dirt poor inside because he's never got enough, while a poor man could be totally happy because he is happy for what he has. I agree, happy with just what you have,
Quote Second to Jesus of courise, that changed my whole life. I sold my big house , moved down and fired the screwed up people in my company that I was putting up with just to keep making more money. I am sooo much happier now, point being is I have benifited from hearing a message in church that was good. From the hurt that some bad apples have caused people I don't judge anyone for not going, but IMO it can be good, and thanks for the advice. I am careful not to put my trust in church or preacher or priest, I trust God only. Love and peace- Mark I had bad experiences in church, and good ones, growing up it was good, only when I was older, it wasnt. At school, aged about 14, my christian friends stuck their nose up at me, so I hung out with the bad kids, they understood more,
Then, without all of the details I had a bad experience with my partner and a church he was going to, so I never went to a church. Now, my beliefs are so different that I still dont think I ever will, though iv been invited to them, but I agree with you, there are many good people in them, but hey, I can still talk to them, it doesnt have to be in a building once a week, church isnt my thing, I feel fine without it.
But MikeAngel, if you are happy and strengthened by a church, that is good. Just always seek what God wants. And be carefull as there will be bad among the good, they will be there,
Shimmer, the devil has used some wolves in sheeps clothing to hurt so many people. I am so sorry that you were. Unfortunately that is more and more common these days. I do believe we are in for a huge change from the hand of God. The truth will come out and he will rule, and the wolves will be delt with. What do you think is in store for the people who hurt you? Just in discussion, I know that judgement is Gods, but if you could guess what would you say? Also, I know that nobody may agree with me, but I think that since Enoch was quoted in scripture and my concience isn't triggered by it, I think it is valid, and it talkes about punishment, especially for the complacent rich and the rulers and the bad shepards. God is Love, and he is fair, and he gives us two paths to take, the choice is ours. Take Aliester Crowley, the self proclaimed beast, who lived for evil. He loved evil. He knew God and had a preacher dad, but decided to worship the devil. He is still a big influance on many people who turn against God and forsake love. God is the Judge, but I can't imagine him not being punished as a public enemy o
f God. Also it is not God who punishes, he is the judge, and he hands the guilty over. We will see one day. By the way, you are right imo this way- since you believe in Jesus and love him, even though you might sin there is no punishment for you. Jesus took that onto himself, thats why I love him so much, that even though I am guilty and deserve punishment he took all my sins on himself and I am forgiven by him for having faith in him. You too. Peace- MarkQuote (terraricca @ Sep. 27 2010,22:57) MA you still did not answer my questions,
why in your church they holding hands ?
what is the origin of that practice??Pierre
Pierre, I did answer you. It's the post right after your Question. It was love. It has no origins or no ending. That particular practice was not originated or asked for in my church. A matter of fact, 5 years ago there was an announcement at my church that it wasn't required because some people complained about it. They said “this practice has become customary but it is not advocated or required by the church” As a kid it never happened, but I think about mid 90's I noticed it start, and now I see it in all the churches I have attended around here. I particularly enjoy it. The only time I had a problem with it is one time I went to church in the richest part of town, and when the lord's prayer came up the guy standing next to me just looked at me funny, I guess he is one of the ones or like the ones who complained. PeaceQuote (mikeangel @ Sep. 28 2010,06:56) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 27 2010,22:57) MA you still did not answer my questions,
why in your church they holding hands ?
what is the origin of that practice??Pierre
Pierre, I did answer you. It's the post right after your Question. It was love. It has no origins or no ending. That particular practice was not originated or asked for in my church. A matter of fact, 5 years ago there was an announcement at my church that it wasn't required because some people complained about it. They said “this practice has become customary but it is not advocated or required by the church” As a kid it never happened, but I think about mid 90's I noticed it start, and now I see it in all the churches I have attended around here. I particularly enjoy it. The only time I had a problem with it is one time I went to church in the richest part of town, and when the lord's prayer came up the guy standing next to me just looked at me funny, I guess he is one of the ones or like the ones who complained. Peace
MAdid Christ was holding the hand of his apostles wen he prayed ?
did the apostles teaches to hold hands we you pray with others or in familly??
if not who is the instigator of those practices??
Pierre
You blow my mind Pierre. You can take a loving gesture to another person out of love and try to make something bad of it. IMO you are being evil trying to made good into bad. Peace
Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 28 2010,18:33) You blow my mind Pierre. You can take a loving gesture to another person out of love and try to make something bad of it. IMO you are being evil trying to made good into bad. Peace
MAit is not my intention to hurt you in anyway,but we all who are Christian and so fallow Christ and the apostles ,then let stick with them and not with the world cult,practice,devotions .
see for yourself the truth in Christ be a free man and be seen righteous in the eyes of God.
Pierre
Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 27 2010,13:30) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,07:35) Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 23 2010,13:15) Ed, Where do you draw the line between making a judgement and stateing a observed characteristic? I believe judgeing is where you think “they are doing so-and-so so they are going to hell” but a characteristic statement would be “they are mean spirited and do not build up Gods Kingdom” . Especialy when you add IMO. That means that as far as I personally know I think this…… Am I judging pierre?
Hi Mark,Do you want me to answer your question or
are you satisfied with your own answer given?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hey Ed, Honestly, I do appriciate other peoples perspectives. What would be your opinion? Peace
Hi Mark,John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
If you judge righteous judgments you don't have to worry about this verse…
Matt.7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.But if you don't judge righteous judgments…
Rom.2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things,
and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?The purpose of our judging…
1Cor:6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if
the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
I hope you didn't mind me using Scriptures to answer your question?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeangel @ Sep. 28 2010,00:43) Shimmer, the devil has used some wolves in sheeps clothing to hurt so many people. I am so sorry that you were. Unfortunately that is more and more common these days. Mikeangel, I warn you, be strong enough for when it happens – if it does, have enough faith in God to be able to pray and seek his guidance in the matter, don't ever let them pull you down because that is the whole purpose. And don't get angry remember that God is the judge and we all have to stand before Him. Knowing what it is before it happens helps.
Quote I do believe we are in for a huge change from the hand of God. The truth will come out and he will rule, and the wolves will be delt with. What do you think is in store for the people who hurt you? Just in discussion, I know that judgement is Gods, but if you could guess what would you say? All you can do is realise that there will be others who suffered the same thing, keep it in mind as you deal with people, leave judgment to God, and check yourself that you don't do the same thing one day. (And pray forgivness if you have even without realising it)
Quote Also, I know that nobody may agree with me, but I think that since Enoch was quoted in scripture and my concience isn't triggered by it, I think it is valid, and it talkes about punishment, especially for the complacent rich and the rulers and the bad shepards. God is Love, and he is fair, and he gives us two paths to take, the choice is ours. Take Aliester Crowley, the self proclaimed beast, who lived for evil. He loved evil. He knew God and had a preacher dad, but decided to worship the devil. He is still a big influance on many people who turn against God and forsake love. God is the Judge, but I can't imagine him not being punished as a public enemy of God. Also it is not God who punishes, he is the judge, and he hands the guilty over. We will see one day. By the way, you are right imo this way- since you believe in Jesus and love him, even though you might sin there is no punishment for you. Jesus took that onto himself, thats why I love him so much, that even though I am guilty and deserve punishment he took all my sins on himself and I am forgiven by him for having faith in him. You too. Peace- Mark Well said. God bless you. I believe in punishment yes, but do you believe the punsihment will be forever without end ?
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 28 2010,18:44) Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 28 2010,00:43) Shimmer, the devil has used some wolves in sheeps clothing to hurt so many people. I am so sorry that you were. Unfortunately that is more and more common these days. Mikeangel, I warn you, be strong enough for when it happens – if it does, have enough faith in God to be able to pray and seek his guidance in the matter, don't ever let them pull you down because that is the whole purpose. And don't get angry remember that God is the judge and we all have to stand before Him. Knowing what it is before it happens helps.
Quote I do believe we are in for a huge change from the hand of God. The truth will come out and he will rule, and the wolves will be delt with. What do you think is in store for the people who hurt you? Just in discussion, I know that judgement is Gods, but if you could guess what would you say? All you can do is realise that there will be others who suffered the same thing, keep it in mind as you deal with people, leave judgment to God, and check yourself that you don't do the same thing one day. (And pray forgivness if you have even without realising it)
Quote Also, I know that nobody may agree with me, but I think that since Enoch was quoted in scripture and my concience isn't triggered by it, I think it is valid, and it talkes about punishment, especially for the complacent rich and the rulers and the bad shepards. God is Love, and he is fair, and he gives us two paths to take, the choice is ours. Take Aliester Crowley, the self proclaimed beast, who lived for evil. He loved evil. He knew God and had a preacher dad, but decided to worship the devil. He is still a big influance on many people who turn against God and forsake love. God is the Judge, but I can't imagine him not being punished as a public enemy of God. Also it is not God who punishes, he is the judge, and he hands the guilty over. We will see one day. By the way, you are right imo this way- since you believe in Jesus and love him, even though you might sin there is no punishment for you. Jesus took that onto himself, thats why I love him so much, that even though I am guilty and deserve punishment he took all my sins on himself and I am forgiven by him for having faith in him. You too. Peace- Mark Well said. God bless you. I believe in punishment yes, but do you believe the punsihment will be forever without end ?
Only God knows. But It does'nt look good for those who turn against God- Rev20v10 “There they will be tortured day and night. forever and ever.”Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2010,12:50) Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 28 2010,18:33) You blow my mind Pierre. You can take a loving gesture to another person out of love and try to make something bad of it. IMO you are being evil trying to made good into bad. Peace
MAit is not my intention to hurt you in anyway,but we all who are Christian and so fallow Christ and the apostles ,then let stick with them and not with the world cult,practice,devotions .
see for yourself the truth in Christ be a free man and be seen righteous in the eyes of God.
Pierre
If Paul said to greet one another with a holy kiss, and in another place with a holy embrace, I do not think he would have a problem with holding hands. I think you have a problem with it because you might live in an isolated life that has not many affections from other people. I love it. God loves it. You don't because you seem to be self rightious, and like the scribes and pharasees base your salvation on strict observance of laws and not your heart and love. You never answer questions so I know you will not answer even though I do my best to answer yours – #1 What do you do besides quote scripture and critisize people on here? Do you do anything for the poor? The Widowed? The Homeless? The sick and in prison? If by chance you do answer that it would tell me really if you are a true christian. If you don't that you are just talk, and talk is cheap. GodblessQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 28 2010,14:34) Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 27 2010,13:30) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,07:35) Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 23 2010,13:15) Ed, Where do you draw the line between making a judgement and stateing a observed characteristic? I believe judgeing is where you think “they are doing so-and-so so they are going to hell” but a characteristic statement would be “they are mean spirited and do not build up Gods Kingdom” . Especialy when you add IMO. That means that as far as I personally know I think this…… Am I judging pierre?
Hi Mark,Do you want me to answer your question or
are you satisfied with your own answer given?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hey Ed, Honestly, I do appriciate other peoples perspectives. What would be your opinion? Peace
Hi Mark,John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
If you judge righteous judgments you don't have to worry about this verse…
Matt.7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.But if you don't judge righteous judgments…
Rom.2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things,
and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?The purpose of our judging…
1Cor:6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if
the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
I hope you didn't mind me using Scriptures to answer your question?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No Mr. Ed , I absolutely do not mind you using God's word, as long as you do not pervert it like Satan tried to do with Jesus, and do it in a loving and caring way. Peace and Love-MarkQuote (mikeangel @ Sep. 28 2010,23:54) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 28 2010,14:34) Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 27 2010,13:30) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,07:35) Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 23 2010,13:15) Ed, Where do you draw the line between making a judgement and stateing a observed characteristic? I believe judgeing is where you think “they are doing so-and-so so they are going to hell” but a characteristic statement would be “they are mean spirited and do not build up Gods Kingdom” . Especialy when you add IMO. That means that as far as I personally know I think this…… Am I judging pierre?
Hi Mark,Do you want me to answer your question or
are you satisfied with your own answer given?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hey Ed, Honestly, I do appriciate other peoples perspectives. What would be your opinion? Peace
Hi Mark,John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
If you judge righteous judgments you don't have to worry about this verse…
Matt.7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.But if you don't judge righteous judgments…
Rom.2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things,
and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?The purpose of our judging…
1Cor:6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if
the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
I hope you didn't mind me using Scriptures to answer your question?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No Mr. Ed , I absolutely do not mind you using God's word, as long as you do not pervert it like Satan tried to do with Jesus, and do it in a loving and caring way. Peace and Love-Mark
IMOQuote (mikeangel @ Sep. 29 2010,06:21) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2010,12:50) Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 28 2010,18:33) You blow my mind Pierre. You can take a loving gesture to another person out of love and try to make something bad of it. IMO you are being evil trying to made good into bad. Peace
MAit is not my intention to hurt you in anyway,but we all who are Christian and so fallow Christ and the apostles ,then let stick with them and not with the world cult,practice,devotions .
see for yourself the truth in Christ be a free man and be seen righteous in the eyes of God.
Pierre
If Paul said to greet one another with a holy kiss, and in another place with a holy embrace, I do not think he would have a problem with holding hands. I think you have a problem with it because you might live in an isolated life that has not many affections from other people. I love it. God loves it. You don't because you seem to be self rightious, and like the scribes and pharasees base your salvation on strict observance of laws and not your heart and love. You never answer questions so I know you will not answer even though I do my best to answer yours – #1 What do you do besides quote scripture and critisize people on here? Do you do anything for the poor? The Widowed? The Homeless? The sick and in prison? If by chance you do answer that it would tell me really if you are a true christian. If you don't that you are just talk, and talk is cheap. Godbless
Marki do not have a mission to save and prevent all the stupidity of the world of men,
men has created his own environment when he sinned,
since then he has turn his back toward God for wisdom,
mainly men are poor because of there government keep them poor,and many are just lazy.(i am not talking about the impaired.)
I have by all means practice charity on my pathway,and why should i go to preach to criminals?Paul was talking about Christians in jail for Christ name,
also just remember that the hearth is very unreliable who can control it? say scriptures.
do not trust your hearth it could lead away from God this is why you need the word of God.
Pierre
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