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Obviously with the wide range of teachings that go on here, it is a given that some are teaching falsely.
I have noticed a bit of a trend here. Some members start of as what appears to be true seekers and they might even tread carefully with things which shows wisdom. But then for some reason, they let their imaginations run rife and end up preaching some weird newly invented doctrine and even after they are refuted by scripture, they hold to their doctrine so tight that they can only be described at this point as delusional and even nutty. Perhaps it is a contagious or something because quite a few seem to have caught it.
If all of you here were Christians or Believers then I am ashamed to be in your company. I honestly mean that. I am not going to judge and say you are not a Believer or a Christian, but I have just seen one too many nutty teachings today and it has got to the point that I am ashamed to even know you and talk to you.
Too many here either hold onto some weird doctrine or some denomination. Few there are who are humble enough to search the truth with child like wonder and few are those who you can have a reasonable conversation with.
What to do? Here is one idea.
I could start a new Board/Forums which is invite only. Still under Heaven Net, but not part of this one, but is for those who are truth seekers, love God, and are not likely to go off the rails. I think we could share some great things in the right company if we didn't spend so much time refuting false teachers, nutty teachings, and sheep branded with denominational ownership who can't think outside of their pen.
Of course this Forum would remain and be what it is, which is a frontline in a battlefield, and I think it has its place. But the new forum would be the place to learn from each other, the meat of the word and be encouraged to be more godly. This was the original vision for this forum, but I guess that was never going to happen by the pure fact that it was open to anyone.
I already have a more modern forum installed and ready to go, although I need to upgrade the look of it somewhat. It has been there since I upgraded the website a while back. It has features like viewing all posts from any user, and all kinds of other useful features. And we could hand pick members who seem to be truth seekers from this forum and ask if they want to join for discussing the meat of the Word and other things.
Categories would be less because we wouldn't be discussing denominations, false teaching, and there will be no Skeptic Area too. These will all stay here and continue as they are.
Anyone interested? Or should we just stick with this forum and be happy with our lot in life?
To run from truth seems to be the status quo of the religious mindset.
The very denominationalism you proclaim yourself to be against
is now what you seek to establish, yet you are too blind to see it.
When truth hits home, the natural reaction is to ‘kill the messenger’.“These things have I(Jesus) spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever
killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you,
because they have not known the Father ([יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā), nor me ([יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă).”The message Jesus proclaimed is: “Kill the ego – or the ego will kill you.” (See Matthew 16:24-27)
Mat.16:24-27 If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose ‘his life’ for my sake shall find it.For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what
shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his
Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.“Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves,
lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life,and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face
of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape
all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” (Luke 21:33-36)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 14 2012,11:25) Heaven Net is not Facebook. It is a battleground and always has been.
Take a look at my avatar if you don't believe me.
“I counsel thee to buy of me GOLD TRIED IN THE FIRE, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment,
that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear;
and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love,
I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.” (Rev 3:18-19)“Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only,
but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken,as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we
may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For YHVH is a consuming fire.” (Heb 12:26-29)Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 24 2012,23:56) I would love the idea, but I may be one of the nutters your trying to keep out. 
Mark 3:21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him:
for they (the multitude) said, He (Jesus) is beside himself (a Delusional Nutcase).” (Link)“Next you'll be claiming that you're one of the characters in the bible like Ed thinks he is!!” (Link)
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 25 2012,00:07) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 24 2012,23:56) I would love the idea, but I may be one of the nutters your trying to keep out. Mark 3:21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him:
for they (the multitude) said, He (Jesus) is beside himself (a Delusional Nutcase).” (Link)“Next you'll be claiming that you're one of the characters in the bible like Ed thinks he is!!” (Link)
“whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also
deny before my Father which is in heaven.' (Matt 10:33)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,21:18) Or should we just stick with this forum and be happy with our lot in life?
Hi T8,Life is all about choice.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2012,21:30) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 25 2012,00:07) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 24 2012,23:56) I would love the idea, but I may be one of the nutters your trying to keep out. Mark 3:21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him:
for they (the multitude) said, He (Jesus) is beside himself (a Delusional Nutcase).” (Link)“Next you'll be claiming that you're one of the characters in the bible like Ed thinks he is!!” (Link)
“whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also
deny before my Father which is in heaven.' (Matt 10:33)Are you talking to me, or T8.
Quote I am not going to judge and say you are not a Believer or a Christian –t8
Won't those excluded essentially be judged in such a way.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 25 2012,01:23) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2012,21:30) “whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also
deny before my Father which is in heaven.' (Matt 10:33)
Are you talking to me, or T8.
Hi Wm,In that verse Jesus talking about anyone who would deny him before men.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Wm,
It would only apply to you if you deny him –
…why, do you feel like you have denied him?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,21:18) I could start a new Board/Forums which is invite only.
Then you can argue instead about things that are less relevant.Quote Categories would be less because we wouldn't be discussing denominations, false teaching, and there will be no Skeptic Area too. These will all stay here and continue as they are. From what I can tell, the new forum will be a relaxing place where people don't disagree. That is nice. But, either no one will discuss scripture, or you will discuss scripture with two opposing ideas, and hence, in any conversation, one of you will most likely be teaching falsely. It could possibly be like the testimonies section, without discussion.
I've been trying to determine what mike, Pierre and t8's common beliefs are, and where they disagree. Now that such ones are getting organized, and becoming exclusive, I suggest that the first thing you do over there is create a set of rules keeping others out, who specifically to keep out.
You will need to set up an outline of beliefs that are acceptable. I could write them down. I have been wanting to know what those beliefs are anyway. So, once this becomes exclusive, and we know who to keep out and what we believe or teach, I think it makes sense to keep the leadership arrangement in place with T8 as the super moderator, and mike as second in command. It will help keep this exclusive group organized. Now, we just need a distinct name to separate that group from the nutters.
I would like to throw: “bible students” into the hat as a possible name. That is what JW's were called for decades.
So, it would keep the nutters out, that don't agree with what we believe. It would have the usual moderators, and we would of course be organized with rules for conduct and what kind of conduct is allowed. And we would have a set of core beliefs that shows we are the real Christians. And we have a name, (bible students) if others like the name.
I think the first rule we have is the first rule that T8, mike and Pierre agree upon:
1. Organized religion is not necessary.
Quote (david @ Nov. 25 2012,02:03) I think the first rule we have is the first rule that T8, mike and Pierre agree upon: 1. Organized religion is not necessary.
Quote (david @ Nov. 24 2012,21:03) Quote Categories would be less because we wouldn't be discussing denominations, false teaching, and there will be no Skeptic Area too. These will all stay here and continue as they are. From what I can tell, the new forum will be a relaxing place where people don't disagree. That is nice. But, either no one will discuss scripture, or you will discuss scripture with two opposing ideas, and hence, in any conversation, one of you will most likely be teaching falsely. It could possibly be like the testimonies section, without discussion.
I've been trying to determine what mike, Pierre and t8's common beliefs are, and where they disagree. Now that such ones are getting organized, and becoming exclusive, I suggest that the first thing you do over there is create a set of rules keeping others out, who specifically to keep out.
You will need to set up an outline of beliefs that are acceptable. I could write them down. I have been wanting to know what those beliefs are anyway. So, once this becomes exclusive, and we know who to keep out and what we believe or teach, I think it makes sense to keep the leadership arrangement in place with T8 as the super moderator, and mike as second in command. It will help keep this exclusive group organized. Now, we just need a distinct name to separate that group from the nutters.
I would like to throw: “bible students” into the hat as a possible name. That is what JW's were called for decades.
So, it would keep the nutters out, that don't agree with what we believe. It would have the usual moderators, and we would of course be organized with rules for conduct and what kind of conduct is allowed. And we would have a set of core beliefs that shows we are the real Christians. And we have a name, (bible students) if others like the name.
I think the first rule we have is the first rule that T8, mike and Pierre agree upon:
1. Organized religion is not necessary.
yeah, but first rule and the only rule would be HOW CAN I HELP YOU
but not how can my organization help you see this is not the same ;
all we want his people to go to Christ and their creator God and father of Christ ,TO BE SAVED
NOT FIRST THE ORGANIZATION THEN CHRIST THEN GOD ,AND IN CASE OF CONFLIC JUST TO THE ORGANIZATION
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2012,22:40) Hi Wm, It would only apply to you if you deny him –
…why, do you feel like you have denied him?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,
Okay, you accuse someone of something out of the blue, then question their “guilty conscience” when they ask about it. Is that working out well for you?
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