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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,02:13) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 30 2014,00:15) Hi wakeup: All you are giving me are your opinions, and I cannot accept them without scripture to back what you say.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.You should understand that the big picture
is not on display for every one to see.
But it is hidden in many prophesies and scriptures,and is for us to find.
And link them together.One that have not seen the true picture can not say;
that it is false. And say,show me the scriptures.
You have to investigate first;by comparing prophecy with prophecy; then make your judgement.Compare the picture you have been given with all the prophesies,and link them together, and you will see the holes.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup;I agree, but you cannot speculate and add to God's Word. What we teach must be line upon line and precept upon precept.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty.
I agree,you can not add anything,because it will only distort
the picture.Therefore not the true Picture.
The picture has to be perfect,with no gaps in place.
Only one with the true picture, can differentiate instantly,true from false.Most, if not all are false. We must compare all the prophesies
to identify the false.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2014,05:13) Hi J42,
“Get a dictionary.”
No we do not learn of scriptural ways from the world.Show it is scripture
Hi NickHebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
Christ did that didn't he?
He sacrificed and took on the sins of the whole world.
He was the ultimate sacrifice. He carried out the role of a high priest, only he sacrificed himself as an offering.Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The role of a priest is to lead. In whatever religion or belief. They offered sacrifices at the altar.
In this case, Christ is a priest to God. A high priest who offered his own blood as a sacrifice.But we are told that we have to follow in his footsteps if we love him, and have to go through what he went through also.
Christ accomplished this and got crowned with the highest reward, and made king of Kings, and Lord of Lords for his sacrifice, himself.
All those who follow in his footsteps who will sacrifice their own lives also, will be crowned.
They will be Kings and priests, therefore overseers of the new generations of the new millennium, because they went through the necessary steps to reach this position, faith, honour, and true subjection to God unto death,
and died just like Christ died,…at the hands of evil men.
and because God is in charge, and makes it happen this way, you can see he is sacrificing us also for himself,
so there is a crowning for the saints too. They will be made high priests because there is a new population entering into the kingdom, and they are flesh and blood, and have to be taught by the spiritual now, the ones that have already made their sacrifice, and received their crowns and positions.
All is for the glory of God, and the Lamb, our Lord Jesus Christ, which we entirely trust with our souls.Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Hi j42,
yes this is the role
Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:But then then you add your own ideas
'The role of a priest is to lead. “
Hi j42,
You say
“They will be Kings and priests, therefore overseers of the new generations of the new millennium, because they went through the necessary steps to reach this position, faith, honour, and true subjection to God unto death,
and died just like Christ died,…at the hands of evil men.”We cannot save ourselves through works.
Obedience to the command of Jesus in Jn 3 is the way into the kingdom and then he appoints those in his body to these roles according to their service in him in the body.
lk 19.13fQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2014,14:48) Hi j42,
yes this is the role
Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:But then then you add your own ideas
'The role of a priest is to lead. “
NickLet me just remind you that this conversation between you & I is about the saints becoming kings and “priests”
I said their job is to teach those in the kingdom during the millennium, the Jews.You wanted me to show you in scripture what a “priest” is or does, so I showed you, once before also.
but still not good enough for you.so I give you an explanation showing you WHY the saints would become kings and priests, and what they have to do to get this reward,
still not good enough for you,
and tell me I am adding my own ideas.Tell me it's a lie that Christ was sacrificed?
Tell me it's a lie that we also will be sacrificed like him?
Killed, murdered because of our faith in God, testifying the truth until death?
Tell me it's a lie that God allows it?So the role of a priest is to teach, or lead the others,
tell me that's a lie?You have not shown that you have understanding.
Just insults.
What have you got to contribute?
anyone can quote scriptures,
doesn't mean they understand them, and can put them together,
so if you can do a better job,
then why don't you.
Show us what you have learn't all this time you have been absent from HN?
You are still asking the same questions, going here there, everywhere, adding no light, just saying the holy spirit is our teacher,
well what has it taught you then?
Show us?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2014,14:55) Hi j42,
You are confused by the role of the priests in the false church.
Nick,
Another ignorant statement.
What is the false church?
I did not discuss Christ's kingdom as being a false church did I?
Where did you get that impression?
Are you turning this into a circus?Quote Hi j42,
You say
“They will be Kings and priests, therefore overseers of the new generations of the new millennium, because they went through the necessary steps to reach this position, faith, honour, and true subjection to God unto death,
and died just like Christ died,…at the hands of evil men.”We cannot save ourselves through works.
Obedience to the command of Jesus in Jn 3 is the way into the kingdom and then he appoints those in his body to these roles according to their service in him in the body.
lk 19.13f
Nick
You are swinging from a trapeze doing summersaults.
Be careful not to land on your head.Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; their works do follow them.
Let me give you a little milk,
and drink it slowly so you don't get indigestion and throw it all up on yourself.We are not saved by works lest any man should boast (do you need scripture for this?)
Our best works are not enough to gain us salvation because we are all stained with sin….every one of us.
But then we hear that Christ is the only one that can forgive us for our sins,….
So we trust him, confess his name, admit we need him and make that choice.
Then he washes us clean, and blots out all those stains, and gives us a chance to know him and repent.
We are not sure what to repent on just yet, because we know nothing, only his name, power and position,
we are like little babies ready to start sucking on the teats,Now we have to fill our temple with holy things.
We are “covered” for a short period of time, because he knows that we are not going to find out his will in one day, so gives us time to seek him by reading the scriptures.
In the meantime, we are going to slip up here and there, because we are just babes in nappies, learning to open our eyes for the first time,
…. we are still covered with grace,
Then the more we read, the more we find out what is good and evil.
The more we abstain from evil, the closer we move towards Christ,
The more closer we are to Christ, the more the devil tries to tempt us away from him,
so we go through this invisible but very real spiritual battle,
and because we are flesh, we still stumble here and there,
but still covered by grace,
then we get stronger and stronger, because we are learning more and more, and this new man emerges within us.
This new man is handling things different now, …he reacts different, he talks different, his likes and dislikes are different, he likes holy things now, things he never knew,
because he now has “knowledge” …”spiritual knowledge”
He has replaced his bad works, with good works now.
self control, prayers, faith, honour, kindness, love, patience, forgiveness, all that stuff,
he knows the difference between good and evil,
and the difference between the truth and a lie.We are off the milk, and fully toilet trained
and the devil hates it,
because our works are now good,
we are not living for ourselves any more,
and these new works go to the grave with us,
and part of our spirit,
showing we are joined with Christ.So tell me,
Do our works still mean nothing to you?
Do our works still have nothing to do with our salvation?
or is it just an excuse for you to continue doing bad works?
Like the way you treat and speak to others on here?
and not admitting when you are wrong,
not taking the truth gracefully,
but fighting against it.
I can see through you Nick
I hope you can repent, and get out of your nappies,
because 10 years or so is more than enough “covering” and ample time for you to change, I would say.Hi J42:
You say:
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Jesus gave his life for anyone who wants to come to God now through him. He did not die for the whole world, but took on the sins of the whole world.
He did not die for those already dead, their works go with them to the grave, but he died for those who would come after his resurrection.
Every man is saved because of MERCY, and not because of faith. Like you said, no man is perfect.
The Jews before Christ did not know him, but they will be given a chance. This is mercy.John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Of course we as well as they are all saved by God's mercy, but the scriptures state that both they and we are saved by faith, and that means that they believed God.
The scriptures state that Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness, and the scriptures state that the Law which was added because of transgression, the law is knowledge of sin, does not disannul the covenant that God made with Abraham which is salvation by faith so that it might be by grace, and that is so that it can not be earned by good works, it is by God's mercy.
Here is where the scriptures state that both the Jews, those under the Law of Moses prior to the coming of Jesus, and we who come to God through Jesus in the NT period are both saved by faith.
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Rom 3:30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
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Romans 4King James Version (KJV)
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
And focusing on this statement:
Quote He did not die for those already dead, their works go with them to the grave, but he died for those who would come after his resurrection. I can only answer you by the scriptures, and this scripture states that he died for the sins of the whole world. The things that were done in the OT, the offering of the blood of animals, and what was done in the day of atonement by the high priest were symbolic of the perfect sacrifice that would be offered for their sins.
Quote 2.1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.And you say:
Quote Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Job will see God in his flesh. This proves he will not be raised to spirit, but will be among those in Ezekiel 37 who will be brought back into the 1000 year kingdom in his
You are trying to force this scripture to mean what you want it to mean in order to justify what you believe to be the truth. It does not prove that Job will be raised from the dead in his flesh body. I already told you what he could of meant by that statement or rather where that statement may have already been fulfilled. God is invisible, and no man will see him by the eye in the flesh or otherwise, but Job did see him in that he saw the awesomeness of God and His wisdom by what He discussed with Job about what He had done and is doing, and we know that Jesus said that “we who have seen him have seen God”, and this is through the works of obedience in his life we have seen character made manifest.
Look I am not trying to be a meany by stating that you should not insult me by stating that the scriptures are not written just for fun. I know that God had a purpose for every thing that is written, and I have been studying the scriptures for over 30 years so that I can teach His Word in truth. I do not want to treat God's Word irresponsibly by saying something He did not say. He has corrected me many a time, and I pray that if I am not teaching the truth or even if you are not teaching the truth that he correct us so that we can teach the truth. He cannot confirm something that He did not say.
Love in Christ,
MartyThe jews are first,and they will be last.
The gentiles are last,and they will be first.The jews have the law;we have Jesus and mercy.
There is a difference between under the law and in Jesus.All that go by the law will be judged by the law.
All that are in Jesus will have mercy.You have not understood the basics.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2014,05:39) Hi J42,
No lies,
Just speculation based on worldly views
Stick to what is revealed
Hi NickHow does that comment help us?
What lies?
What speculation?
What worldly views?
What is revealed?
Another empty statement with no substance,
just your opinion on what?Hi J42,
yes you said these things“I said their job is to teach those in the kingdom during the millennium, the Jews.”
“So the role of a priest is to teach, or lead the others,”But scripture gives you no support
Biblical priests serve GodQuote
Of course we as well as they are all saved by God's mercy, but the scriptures state that both they and we are saved by faith, and that means that they believed God.The scriptures state that Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness, and the scriptures state that the Law which was added because of transgression, the law is knowledge of sin, does not disannul the covenant that God made with Abraham which is salvation by faith so that it might be by grace, and that is so that it can not be earned by good works, it is by God's mercy.
Hi Marty
Abraham is definately saved because of his faith, no doubt about that.
But to the Jews under the Law there is a different judgement.Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
See it's a different judgement.
A harsher judgement.
That is why “Mercy” will go back to the Jews after the fullness of the gentiles come in.
This “Mercy” is also for those who were under the Law, to be given a chance to learn Christ, the one they were expecting but never knew. Those old dead dry bones, which come back to life and be put into the kingdom are for those who died under the Law.
And this “Mercy” is for them now to know Christ, and be filled with the “Holy Spirit” (Spirit of Truth).
They will be saved regardless, but have to go through the process now of learning Christ first. Just like we have to now.
No man can come to God except through Christ.
This is a new law, and it applies to them also now.
Christ gives the holy spirit now,
and it's this holy spirit, the only ingredient within our temples that is required to raise us up to spirit in the resurrection.
But they have missed out on the first resurrection, because it was not for them to inherit first, but last,
so they must be raised first to flesh again, given space to learn,
then will die, and be raised in the second resurrection.
Not all those Jews, only the ones chosen by election,
and all those dry bones you see in Ezekiel 37, are the elect, which will make up the “whole house Israel” who will be brought back in the flesh.So whether these had faith or not, I don't know, it doesn't say, maybe they did, but for some reason they were chosen, and I can only guess that those obeyed the Law, now they get their reward – a chance to learn Christ, and come into the kingdom the same way every one has to now, before they receive their full reward – eternal life at the 2nd resurrection.
And we know that not all of the Jews were under the law, because some were born “before the law came out”, and they would be included.nick wrote:[/quote]
Quote But scripture gives you no support
Biblical priests serve GodHi Nick
So what don't you understand about this scripture?
Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
What is your problem? That it says, these priests do not teach? that they only offered gifts and sacrifices for those who did sin?
And what about the role of a priest in a church?
Doesn't he teach and lead the congregation?
Yes there are a lot of false churches out there,
but that doesn't change the role of the priest, what his duties are, to instruct the flock.These priests in the kingdom are ordained by Christ himself and not man. So they have a job to do,
and we know that the Jews will be there in the kingdom,
which you don't know about, so we are showing you,
that these kings and priests who are ruling with Christ,
will have a job to do.
It's not about us now, this 1000 years time will be about giving the Jews truth now, and they have to learn, so everything must be organised, and there will be alot of people in that kingdom area. It wont be small. The borders will be enlarged to fit alot of people in there.
and not only that, the gentiles living outside the kingdom are going to visit, and when they come in, they have to be taught also. So Christ has his helpers, the saints are not out of the picture, but play a big part.Is this only speculation?
Lets see what you can come up with?
Maybe you have figured out something better?Nick
Once you get over this “priest” thing, and what it means to be a priest, maybe you can start learning some real truth and move forwards. Just remember I am not your enemy, but sister in Christ, and I love the flock, and some of us need steering in the right direction.
This is not a battle of who knows the most, but an opportunity for us to share truth,
What I lack, someone else can help,
what you lack, maybe I can help,
and so it goes,
all working together, one big happy family,
not supposed to be enemies.
Talk to me like I am your real sister, and not a stranger, or an unwanted orphan.HI j42,
All I ask is that you cling to what is written
Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:FOR THINGS PERTAINING TO GOD.
Not teaching menQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2014,12:29) HI j42,
All I ask is that you cling to what is written
Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:FOR THINGS PERTAINING TO GOD.
Not teaching men
Nick.What would the priests do in the kingdom;for there are no more sacrifices performed??
Deuteronomy 24:8 Take heed in the plague of leprosy, that thou observe diligently, and do according to all
***that the priests the Levites **shall teach you***:
as I commanded them, so ye shall observe to do.The priests shall teach you.
wakeup.
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