Ezekiel 37

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Marty

If you know exactly what events are to come, you will see it so clearly.

Ezekiel is speaking to Israel the nation who turned their back on God. He is not speaking to the gentile christians here, but to his people that he called out of Egypt and all the generations after them whom God has chosen.

All this will happen at the return of Christ, after Babylon the Great destroyed. The very next chapter (38) skips to after the 1000 years when Satan is let out of prison – the battle of Gog and Magog.

March 26, 2014 at 6:29 pm#374942

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Hi J42,
Yes I know that.
They are the 144,000

Nick

That is incorrect.
The Israelites who will be brought to flesh are not the 144,000.
The 144,000 will be raised to spirit, and not flesh.

Hi j42,
Then explain to us the flesh rebuilding onto bones seen in these verses.

March 26, 2014 at 6:30 pm#374943

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Hi j42,
They will be of the Spirit Who teaches[1 jn 2]
Where are the saints said to be their teachers??

Hi Nick

Can you give that scripture again please, it's not clear?

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received the mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Who are the saints reigning over?
We have to connect the scriptures here.
and this is where the Israelites who are brought back in the “flesh” as mentioned in Ezekiel fit in.
They are given a second chance of life now,
and they will learn Christ,
and they will have God's spirit in them,
because they are feeding on pure TRUTH now,
and the Devil is locked up during this time for a thousand years, so no confusion.

Hi J42,
Is it written?
Is teaching part of the appointed roles of kings and priests?

March 26, 2014 at 6:32 pm#374944

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Nick

Isaiah 30:18 And therefore will the LORD wait, that he may be gracious unto you, and therefore will he be exalted, that he may have mercy upon you: for the LORD is a God of judgment: blessed are all they that wait for him.

Isaiah 30:19 For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem: thou shalt weep no more: he will be very gracious unto thee at the voice of thy cry; when he shall hear it, he will answer thee.

Isaiah 30:20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:

Isaiah 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and ye turn to the left.

Isaiah 30:22 Ye shall defile also the covering of thy graven images of silver, and the ornament of thy molten images of gold: thou shalt cast them away a a menstruous cloth; thou shalt say unto it, Get thee hence.

Hi J42,
None of these verse say that the saints will teach.
So why would you?

March 26, 2014 at 7:11 pm#374948

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Hi J42:

There is now only one nation of Israel of God and that is those who are in the body of Christ who have believed the gospel, and have made Jesus their Lord. Jesus is that one King under which the two nations will become one nation serving God through him. There are those who are of the nation of Israel who are supposedly under the Law now or who are part of that nation who may be secular Israel who will come into the nation of Israel under King Jesus, but the only way that they will come is that they will believe the gospel, and make Jesus their Lord.

The scripture states that the two nations will become one under “One King”:

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Eze 37:22

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Eze 37:23

Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

Eze 37:24

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them

Love in Christ,
Marty

March 26, 2014 at 7:15 pm#374949

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Hi J42:

This is what Jesus said:

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Jhn 10:15

As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Jhn 10:16

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Jhn 10:17

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Jhn 10:18

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Love in Christ,
Marty

March 27, 2014 at 2:06 pm#375135

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Then explain to us the flesh rebuilding onto bones seen in these verses.

Nick.

The flesh being put back on to their bones is simply showing us that they are going to be raised in their flesh bodies. The Israelites, not all but the ones chosen by God. Is this too hard for God?
They will live again, and multiply for a thousand years.
They will die again, but will live a long life.

Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

We have shown this verse many times, but not one person here has made the connection that this will be happening during the millennium.

So we are showing you where to look because it's written in your bibles also.

March 27, 2014 at 2:25 pm#375137

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Hi J42,
Is it written?
Is teaching part of the appointed roles of kings and priests?

Nick

If there is a kingdom coming to earth,
and it will be in Jerusalem,
and Christ will be King of Kings,
and he promised his saints that they will RULE with him as Kings and priests,
for A THOUSAND YEARS,
then who will they rule over?

Why is Ezekiel mentioning that the house of Israel will have FLESH put back on their bodies?
Why is there a remnant according to the election of grace?
Why did God say that he has reserved for himself 7000 men who have not bowed their knees to Balaam?
Why does a man live to 100 yrs old?
Why does the wolf and the lamb feed together?
or why does the Lion eat straw, and not animals, or people?

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Why does the child play in the hole of the asp?

Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

Why will Israel's judges be restored?

Isaiah 1:26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.

Why is Jerusalem called The City of Peace, when there have always been wars there?

Why did God promise to Abraham that he would see the promised land, but never saw it?
Why did Moses die before he entered the promised land, after traveling for 40 years?

All these why why why's.
I see the spirit has shown you that there will be a thousand years coming,
but you havn't connected the scriptures as to who will be there, and what it's all about.

Well we are witnesses to this truth,
and it may not be obvious right now,
but in time you will see this all happening before your very eyes,
It will be a very exciting time,
and you will rejoice that the Lord has shown you this.

Because we are man, doesn't mean we can't share the things God has revealed to us.
It is not our knowledge, it all comes from above.
And God wants us to share with you,
so you can rejoice in the truth also.
We are not burying our penny in the sand.
We are not hiding our lamp under a bed,
we want you all to be witnesses also.

March 27, 2014 at 2:42 pm#375138

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942767,Mar. wrote:

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Hi J42:

There is now only one nation of Israel of God and that is those who are in the body of Christ who have believed the gospel, and have made Jesus their Lord.

Marty

There is not only one nation of Israel. You are misled.
There are the spiritual Israelites, the adopted children, the gentiles who believe,
and there is the Nation of Israel, whom God called out of Egypt, and demonstrated his power and miracles by steering them away from the heathen ways, and instructing them to godliness.
These are his FIRST people, whom he made himself known.
All the nations knew that Israel had a God, and that they were a separate people.
So they rebelled, and went whoring, and God has been angry at them ever since.
But because they chose not to walk in God's paths, and killed all the prophets and apostles sent to them, even their Messiah, God is going to punish them as a Father punishes his naughty children.
This is in the prophecies, and is to come. They will receive the harshest punishment out of all the nations, because they turned their back.

To say there is no difference between them and us, is just being ignorant. The whole of the old testament is about them, and the prophecies also speak of the end times.
In Romans it says that God has not forgotten them, but because of their “unbelief” he gave mercy to the gentiles, and because he gave mercy to the gentiles, he will give mercy also to Israel in the end.
We have undeserved mercy, and so do they…but not until AFTER they have been punished…and this is coming when the false prophet comes and occupies their land. This will be the start leading up to the great battle where they gather at Armageddon in the land of Israel.
We christians must not get jealous of this fact that we are not the only ones, because God can take away his mercy from individuals who have this envy in their hearts.

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Jesus is that one King under which the two nations will become one nation serving God through him. There are those who are of the nation of Israel who are supposedly under the Law now or who are part of that nation who may be secular Israel who will come into the nation of Israel under King Jesus, but the only way that they will come is that they will believe the gospel, and make Jesus their Lord.

The nation of Israel is not serving Christ now.
We will only become one with them, or should I say they will become one with us (gentiles) is during the millennium, when they will be taught Christ.

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The scripture states that the two nations will become one under “One King”:

Eze 37:22

This is talking about Israel and Judah. They have always been separate.

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Eze 37:23

You are giving scriptures concerning the nation Israel during the millennium. You are not concentrating on what you are reading.

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Eze 37:24

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them

When God says “David” , he means Christ.

March 27, 2014 at 6:23 pm#375146

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Then explain to us the flesh rebuilding onto bones seen in these verses.

Nick.

We have shown this verse many times, but not one person here has made the connection that this will be happening during the millennium.

So we are showing you where to look because it's written in your bibles also.

Hi J42,
Yes they will.

And being of a new creation they are not occupied territory but clean as Adam was. His life was not shortened till he served another and destructive god=the prince of darkness.

March 27, 2014 at 6:24 pm#375147

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Hi,
Romans 6:7
for he who has died is freed from sin.

March 27, 2014 at 7:13 pm#375155

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942767,Mar. wrote:

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Hi J42:

There is now only one nation of Israel of God and that is those who are in the body of Christ who have believed the gospel, and have made Jesus their Lord.

Marty

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The nation of Israel is not serving Christ now.
We will only become one with them, or should I say they will become one with us (gentiles) is during the millennium, when they will be taught Christ.

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The scripture states that the two nations will become one under “One King”:

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Eze 37:22

This is talking about Israel and Judah. They have always been separate.

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Eze 37:23

You are giving scriptures concerning the nation Israel during the millennium. You are not concentrating on what you are reading.

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Eze 37:24

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them

When God says “David” , he means Christ.

Hi J42:

I will have to have a little more time to answer this post, but I will just say that both the nation of Israel who were under the Law prior to Jesus coming and us are saved by faith, and so, we are all the adopted children of God. There is only “one only begotten Son of God”.

And you keep talking about the millennium as the time that Jesus will teach the Jews. I need scripture that states this before I can believe it. Can you produce the scripture?

Love in Christ,
Marty

March 27, 2014 at 7:26 pm#375156

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Hi J42:

This is scripture:

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Galatians 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Romans 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Love in Christ,
Marty

March 27, 2014 at 7:46 pm#375159

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Hi,
He who has died is freed from sin.
That is our hope if we have died with Christ in baptism and been given a share of his life[rom6]

March 27, 2014 at 11:07 pm#375198

Wakeup

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Hi,
He who has died is freed from sin.
That is our hope if we have died with Christ in baptism and been given a share of his life[rom6]

A dead person can not sin,
but his works do follow him to the grave.
And will be judged according to their deeds.

wakeup.

March 28, 2014 at 4:58 am#375258

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Hi WU,
Sin no longer lives in the dead.
Paul wanted freedom from such sin in the flesh in Rom 7

March 28, 2014 at 3:43 pm#375295

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Hi J42,
None of these verse say that the saints will teach.
So why would you?

Hi Nick
I gave you the other scriptures so you can see the time frame and who it is speaking about, but in this verse, you could not see?

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There are very few with the holy spirit teaching the whole truth now a days, but they are pushed into a corner.
In other words, what they are preaching is being rejected.

The scriptures I gave you is concerning Israel.
During the millennium, the Jews, as we have been telling you all,
will be there revived back into the flesh. Only the chosen ones. The reserved.
They will have teachers, who will not be pushed into a corner any more, because the Jews will want to hear them now, and learn all that they missed out on.

Who are the teachers?
The saints, who will be ruling with Christ as kings and priests.
A priests job is to teach things pertaining to God.
The saints will be very busy in the 1000 years kingdom, going about God's business. They will not be playing harps in the clouds.

Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Can you see here?
In the kingdom they already believe and need no proof of the Lord, so will be eager to learn everything they have missed out on. Their teachers will be ACCEPTED.

Still not convinced?

Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

This law is a new Law to them. It is the new covenant Law which they never knew.

March 28, 2014 at 3:58 pm#375298

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942767,Mar. wrote:

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Hi J42:

Marty
Those of Israel prior to Jesus are not saved by faith.
They are judged according to the LAW. A much harsher judgement.
But there would of been those who practised and obeyed the Law with all their hearts before Christ came. Maybe these are the ones that get to go into the kingdom for the 1000 years, and a few others also before the Old Law came.
You see, there is one requirement now. Must go through Christ. This is the new law. So them being brought back makes this possible for them and for scripture to be fulfilled.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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And you keep talking about the millennium as the time that Jesus will teach the Jews. I need scripture that states this before I can believe it. Can you produce the scripture?

Marty,
There is so much in the old testament. It does not state “during the 1000 years” because this is for us to connect.
I have given lots of scriptures already, and happy to give more, but where do I start?
I did a big post on it somewhere here, I will see if I can find it for you.

March 28, 2014 at 4:56 pm#375305

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Hi Marty

I found it. It's in the prophecy section. It's very long, I hope you can bear it.

You can also see what they did to my post.
They took it off to another direction as much as they could,
but that's scripture for you, always opening up another can of worms!

March 28, 2014 at 5:58 pm#375306