Ezekiel 37

[NickHassan]

Hi J42,
That new song is shown in rev 9.
But it is not the same new song seen in rev 14

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Quote And so, if you agree that some of the Jews accepted Jesus as their Messiah, then you cannot make a blanket statement that “the Jews Killed Jesus”. Marty I've already shown you.  I am backing what the scriptures are saying. Acts 2:36   Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Acts 7:52   Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Heres another one. Acts 5:30   The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. His followers did not kill him, but the Jews did.  Israel.  They are guilty of his blood. Quote Some of the Jewish people then did deliver Jesus up to be crucified that is scriptural.  Those that delivered him up to be killed are indeed guilty of his blood. Yes; Matthew 27:25   Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Hi J42:

I can also give you some scriptures showing that there were many Jewish people that were saved at that time, including the Apostle Paul, who was a Pharisees.

And so, can I make the blanket statement that “the Jews were saved”.  No, I cannot.  Some Jews were saved, and some were not, and some delivered Jesus up to be crucified, and some did not.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Wakeup]

Marty.

God was prophesying of the jewish nation.(israel). Ok.

wakeup.

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Hi J42, That new song is shown in rev 9. But it is not the same new song seen in rev 14

Nick

Rev 9 consists of the 5th angel blowing the trumpet.
Evil spirit creatures being let out of the “bottomless pit”
tormenting man for 5 months but not allowed to kill them.
This is going to be a very dark time for those with the Mark of the Beast.

Revelation 9:4   And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

If they can only touch those men who do not have the Seal of God on their foreheads, then this shows they cannot touch those who have the Seal. (144,000)
The 144,000 would be still “alive” at this stage. Protected.
And these are those who sang as it were a new song.

Rev 9 also consists of the 6th trumpet.  Four evil angels being let out of the bottomless pit also, who prepared all the armies to go into Israel and war each other, killing a third of men.

That is only two trumpets blown.  Those who know the Song, as it were a new song, have understanding of these events.
But that is not the full song, only part of the song.  
The 144,000 are given full knowledge of all the trumpets, and all the prophesies combined.
Anyone can read the events, but the 144K knowing the song are given understanding of all these events and the order of them right up till the 1335 day and past that for another 1000 years over.

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Marty. There are only seven angels and seven trumpets and vials. Not more. Revelation 10:6   And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:  Revelation 10:7   But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, *(TRUMPET SOUND)*      ***the mystery of God should be finished***,    as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

The church will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air at the sound of the last trump or trumpet. Until then there is a chance for anyone who believes the gospel to be saved, but after that all who are left unsaved when the Lord comes for the church, will have received the mark of the beast, and will be judged by the seven last plagues. There is no more salvation for anyone who has received the mark of the beast.

The two witnesses will prophesy during the sixth trumpet as we have already discussed and agreed.

The scriptures state that after the sixth trumpet the men that were not killed by these plagues, not to be confused with the seven last plagues, did not repent.

Here is the scripture:

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Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. And the seven Last plagues are different then these plagues and are not part of the 7 trumpets:

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Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

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Rev 16:1 ¶ And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. Tools specific to Rev 16:2 Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

Now compare this to the first trumpet:

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Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

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Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (journey42 @ April 03 2014,22:02) Quote There is only one Israel of God, and that is “the body of Christ”. This is where the scriptures disagree. Israel are not forgotten. Their sins are not forgotten, What they do in the dark, God sees, and they will not return to God until God gives mercy, When the fullness of the gentiles come in, the door is closed for a period of 7 trumpets. When the last trumpet blows, Christ will come, and this will be the start of restoration for them, in the kingdom area. Quote Romans 9 King James Version (KJV) 9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Marty I agree, this is speaking of Spiritual Israel.  Us who have been grafted on to the vine. But it's different to what we are speaking off. And we are speaking of the nation of Israel.  Physical Jews, and not spiritual ones. Can't put them all into the same basket.  Not yet. God has cast them aside for now, but not forever. When they are living in the kingdom being taught, they will make us look pathetic. They will be FULL of the Holy spirit, and they wont be bickering and debating like we are doing. Quote 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Yes, we are children of the promise, and any Jew that believes in Christ also, will be in the first resurrection.

J42:

I am aware that there is the so called “nation of Israel”, but I am speaking of “the Israel of God”, which you call “spiritual Israel”.

But those who are of the “nation of Israel” who have not believed the gospel will not be part of the body of Christ unless they believe, and if they do not believe, they will not be saved.

The remnant of the Nation Israel who were faithful to God under the Law of Moses prior to the ministry of Jesus are saved, and are a part of the body of Christ.

When the Apostle Paul states that “all of Israel will be saved”, he is speaking of those who will be saved from the gentile nations as well as those who will be saved from the nation of Israel.

There is “only one true Israel of God” which are those who are members of the “body of Christ”.

Jesus died between two thieves.

The one on the left, Jacob who is saved under the law, the one on the right, Esau who rejected his birthrite, and has received the mark of the beast and is unsaved and will be destroyed.

When Jesus was dying on the cross, the one on the left was given this assurance, “this day you shall be with me in paradise”, the one on the right did not accept his offer of salvation.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Marty. God was prophesying of the jewish nation.(israel). Ok. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

You cannot take one scripture, and understand what is being stated, surely you know that there were Jews who were saved who did not deliver the Lord to be crucified. I know that he was prophesying about the nation of Israel, but specifically those of the nation of Israel delivered the Lord to be crucified. Not all did.

The Catholic church made this mistake of making a blanket statement that “the Jews delivered our Lord to be crucified” and the Jewish people paid a price which cannot ever be justified, and they are still suffering persecution because of this ignorant statement.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2014,05:36) Hi J42, That new song is shown in rev 9. But it is not the same new song seen in rev 14 Nick Rev 9 consists of the 5th angel blowing the trumpet. Evil spirit creatures being let out of the “bottomless pit” tormenting man for 5 months but not allowed to kill them. This is going to be a very dark time for those with the Mark of the Beast. Revelation 9:4   And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. If they can only touch those men who do not have the Seal of God on their foreheads, then this shows they cannot touch those who have the Seal. (144,000) The 144,000 would be still “alive” at this stage. Protected. And these are those who sang as it were a new song. Rev 9 also consists of the 6th trumpet.  Four evil angels being let out of the bottomless pit also, who prepared all the armies to go into Israel and war each other, killing a third of men. That is only two trumpets blown.  Those who know the Song, as it were a new song, have understanding of these events. But that is not the full song, only part of the song.   The 144,000 are given full knowledge of all the trumpets, and all the prophesies combined. Anyone can read the events, but the 144K knowing the song are given understanding of all these events and the order of them right up till the 1335 day and past that for another 1000 years over.

Hi J42:

See my post to Wakeup regarding the seven trumpets and seven last plagues.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Hi J42:

You say:

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Marty, The apostles were chosen to spread the message of Christ out to the world. It continues to this day, people are still coming to Christ. Therefore the “fullness of the gentiles” has not reached. Christ is returning and he will collect all that belongs to him. ……The millennium is a different story, more will come in, and that is the “First dominion” A time where Christ will be ruling as king. His dominion/rule. To many this seems far off into the future, but for us that know, it will be soon, within 10 years. I would say 8 to be exact. (sounds like speculation until I explain why. Another topic) I don't really know what this guy is trying to say. Have you got a link?

I got the comment from the commentary section of the following website:

http://www.blueletterbible.org

And of course, KjV, Romans 11.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[journey42]

Hi Marty

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J42: I am aware that there is the so called “nation of Israel”, but I am speaking of “the Israel of God”, which you call “spiritual Israel”.

Right.  

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But those who are of the “nation of Israel” who have not believed the gospel will not be part of the body of Christ unless they believe, and if they do not believe, they will not be saved.

Right.  But to be more exact, unless the Jews believe IN CHRIST, they will not be in the first resurrection when Christ comes to collect his saints.
So there are others who died before Christ came and did not know him.

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The remnant of the Nation Israel who were faithful to God under the Law of Moses prior to the ministry of Jesus are saved, and are a part of the body of Christ.

Yes, but not yet.  They are the original branches, but were cut off.  The gentiles were grafted in because of their unbelief. When the fullness of the gentiles are grafted on to the tree, and are gathered in Christ during the resurrection, THEN, the jews who were under the OT will be grafted back. They still will be saved, but in a different way.  They have to be taught Christ first during the millennium, then at the 2nd resurrection will be changed to spirit.
So they are saved yes, but not at the same time as the gentiles who believed.
The gentiles get saved FIRST, (turned to spirit at the coming) and the nation of Israel, LAST.(turned to spirit after the 1000 year millennium)
All will be in the body of Christ, united together, blended as one on the same tree, after the great white throne judgement (2nd resurrection)

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When the Apostle Paul states that “all of Israel will be saved”, he is speaking of those who will be saved from the gentile nations as well as those who will be saved from the nation of Israel.

No, He means all of Israel the nation.  This is the tricky part.  Only the remnant, like spoken in Ezekiel are those who are going to be saved.  Those dead bones are them only.  
Not every Israelite who has died, but all those bones in one place are the chosen out of all of Israel.  These make up the whole house of Israel.  The ones coming back in the flesh.  The ones that will inhabit the new kingdom on earth IN THE FLESH.

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There is “only one true Israel of God” which are those who are members of the “body of Christ”.

In the end there will be.  Both will be joined after those Israelites will be turned to spirit at the 2nd resurrection, after the millennium.  When the last enemy that is death, is finally thrown into the lake of fire, both groups will be ONE then, (ALL SPIRIT) and Christ's work is done, (after Satan completly destroyed) then Christ will present ALL to to his Father, in one place, ready to melt the earth.

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]Jesus died between two thieves. The one on the left, Jacob who is saved under the law, the one on the right, Esau who rejected his birthrite, and has received the mark of the beast and is unsaved and will be destroyed.

No, the mark of the beast was not out then.
It had nothing to do with the future.  It was just simply showing us that one died not believing Christ, and the other asked for mercy on his final hour, and was given it, because he believed Christ had the authority to forgive sins.
Now that thief who was forgiven, did not receive the HS, but just MERCY.  He will be one of the remnant reserved to be brought back to life during the 1000 years.  He was given mercy, but first must be given the HS in order to be raised to spirit at the 2nd resurrection, and he will receive that holy spirit during the thousand years when he is taught.

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When Jesus was dying on the cross, the one on the left was given this assurance, “this day you shall be with me in paradise”, the one on the right did not accept his offer of salvation.

Only the HS can make you understand this.  First you have to have your foundation (which you do) then when God is ready to give you more, he lets you understand what the process of death really is.
You will understand that when we die, everything stops.  Time stops.  The clock stops ticking.  All the dead don't even know that they are dead.  There is no “time” in the grave, so when anyone who is dead gets resurrected (whether for salvation or condemnation it doesn't matter) it will be “today” for them.  We will all think it's that same day we died, even though 2000 years has passed, we did not lose time because we were not aware of time.  When that thief awakes, it will be “TODAY” for him.  Like the same day for him.
Many don't understand this and confuse it's meaning.  We know Christ was speaking to him that day, but most can't explain it, so they put in an invisible comma …where it ought not go, it's not even in their own bibles where they want to put it, and putting the comma elsewhere, changes the whole meaning.  

This is how it should read;

Luke 23:43   And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

“Today thou shalt be with me in paradise”

They know Christ didn't go anywhere that day, but to the grave, and can't explain it any other way, but by human logic, and not according to spiritual understanding of death.

but that thief will know the true meaning of Christ's words when he is raised.  It will be “TODAY” for HIM.  He will pick up exactly where he left off, but will be in another place.
Can you understand this?

Thank you Marty.

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The Catholic church made this mistake of making a blanket statement that “the Jews delivered our Lord to be crucified” and the Jewish people paid a price which cannot ever be justified, and they are still suffering persecution because of this ignorant statement.

Marty

The Jews were not persecuted by the world or the catholics  simply because they killed their Messiah, ….for the world hates Christ.

The Romans played a big part also, because they carried out what the Jews wanted them to do.  The catholics are just passing the buck, and they jump to whatever side is popular.
The Catholics kill Christ everyday, when they teach their flock to serve idols, and pray to saints, and confess to priests, who love to be called “Father” pretending they can forgive sins.
They also treat the pope as if he is God, and he lets them kiss his feet.

The Jews have suffered hatred from the nations because God made it that way, but not for those reasons you state.

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Hi Wakeup: The church will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air at the sound of the last trump or trumpet.

Right

 

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Until then there is a chance for anyone who believes the gospel to be saved,

Yes until the 7 trumpets start blowing.  There's a chance still now.

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but after that all who are left unsaved when the Lord comes for the church, will have received the mark of the beast, and will be judged by the seven last plagues.

This is where you got me stumped?
The Lord comes for his saints at the last trumpet.  Resurrects the dead.

 

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There is no more salvation for anyone who has received the mark of the beast.

Yes. agree 

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The two witnesses will prophesy during the sixth trumpet as we have already discussed and agreed.

They will preach for 3 1/2 years and yes will be there DURING the 6th trumpet.  
The sixth trumpet is when the armies come into Israel to prepare for battle against each other, and then they stop warring each other, then team up and fight against Christ instead.  This all happens during the 6th trumpet which is the same as the 6th vial.
The angels  blow the trumpet, then pour out the vial at the same time.

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The scriptures state that after the sixth trumpet the men that were not killed by these plagues, not to be confused with the seven last plagues, did not repent.

I see where you are going with this now.
Because it talks about the 7 trumpets in various places of revelations, you are trying to explain that there are different events happenning?

Marty,
The 7 trumpets, and the 7 plagues, and the 7 vials are all the same thing.
The angel blows the trumpet,
he pours out the vial,
the vial consists of the plagues.

Compare the 7 trumpets to the 7 vials.  You will see they are at the same time, but one will give more detail than the other one.  Put them together and you get a clearer picture of what is happening at the SAME TIME.

I will make a new post and explain so it can be put into perspective or this answer is going to be too long.

Thank you Marty.

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Hi J42:

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but after that all who are left unsaved when the Lord comes for the church, will have received the mark of the beast, and will be judged by the seven last plagues.

Your response to this was:

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This is where you got me stumped? The Lord comes for his saints at the last trumpet.  Resurrects the dead.

There will be those who are alive who are not saved at the time of the Lord's coming for the Church.

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2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV) 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

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Marty, The 7 trumpets, and the 7 plagues, and the 7 vials are all the same thing. The angel blows the trumpet, he pours out the vial, the vial consists of the plagues.

No, I disagree, they are not.  

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Marty,

Here is what i found by my own efforts….so yes, it is “private interpretation” for those who like to accuse…

Look at it like this:

Rev 15:5  And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Rev 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Notice the seven angels ALREADY had been given seven trumpets and were THEN given seven VIALS as they exited the temple!!

That means that they had a trumpet in one hand and a vial in the other!!

Pretty conclusive no?

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Marty, Here is what i found by my own efforts….so yes, it is “private interpretation” for those who like to accuse… Look at it like this: Rev 15:5  And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. Rev 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles. Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. Notice the seven angels ALREADY had been given seven trumpets and were THEN given seven VIALS as they exited the temple!! That means that they had a trumpet in one hand and a vial in the other!! Pretty conclusive no?

Hi Devolution:

Well, yes in Rev. 8 which you quote the angels were given seven trumpets, and they executed these trumpets, but then they were given the seven vials with the seven last plagues, they are not the same.

With the trumpets, there is an opportunity for the inhabitants of the earth to be saved. At the sound of the last trumpet, the Lord will come, and then the seven last plagues will be poured out on those who are not saved and alive at his coming. These will have received the mark of the beast, and once that happens, there is not more salvation.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Ez 37
11 Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are [e]completely cut off.’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you will know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people. 14 I will put My [f]Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the Lord, have spoken and done it,” declares the Lord.’”

Note that this group is unique.

They did not sleep in the Lord but were only given the SPIRIT AFTER BEING RAISED.
They are not the olive tree we were grafted on to.
They are the only remaining FLESH

So JL 2 becomes clear

“I will pour out My Spirit on ALL FLESH”

[journey42]

Ez 37
11 Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are [e]completely cut off.’

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Ezekiel 37:11   Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

Matthew 15:24   But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
      Luke 15:4   What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Jeremiah 50:6   My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
 Ezekiel 34:16   I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel.

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Ezekiel 37:12   Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

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       Exodus 3:7   And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;
  Leviticus 26:12   And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people
2 Chronicles 7:14   If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. .

13 Then you will know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people.

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Ezekiel 37:13   And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 I will put My [f]Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the Lord, have spoken and done it,” declares the Lord.’”

Ezekiel 37:14   And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

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Note that this group is unique. They did not sleep in the Lord but were only given the SPIRIT AFTER BEING RAISED.

Yes true.

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They are not the olive tree we were grafted on to.

They were on the olive tree since they were called out of Egypt and formed. “My people”
They were there first remember?

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They are the only remaining FLESH

They are not the living, but the dead.  They their bones are so dry, they have been dead in the grave a long long time.
The living survivors will be still alive at the coming, they are not dead and brought to life.

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So JL 2 becomes clear “I will pour out My Spirit on ALL FLESH”

Joel 2:28  And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Maybe you can help me out then?  I have not exactly cracked this one.
I think this has a duo meaning.
It happened in Acts

Acts 2:15   For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day
Acts 2:16   But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel
Acts 2:17   And it shall come to pass int he last days, saith God, I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall dream dreams.
Acts 2:18   And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.
Acts 2:19   And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath, blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke  (Well that didn't happen back then?)
Acts 2:20   The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come. (This happens at the coming)

So the only thing that I can think of is that what happened at Pentecost, will happen again the same at the Coming, because it says in the “last days” but the “all flesh” I'm not too sure about.
Is it the Jews that survived Armageddon? Are they prophesying about the kingdom?
Does it happen when the two witnesses are killed?
Is it the dead Jews that are raised?
Is it the 144,000?
Is it all the survivors? Jews and Gentiles prophesying that the kingdom is here? (don't forget will be no telephones)

I'm not too proud to say I haven't found the answer yet on this one.
And during the millennium, there will be no need to prophesy, or speak tongues, etc, because the truth will flow out direct, so it can't be during that, but just before.
I think it may happen when the two witnesses are killed, during those three days they are dead. Just before Christ comes. Maybe?

[NickHassan]

Hi j42,
Acts was a fulfilment in type.
There was nothing else for Peter to compare Pentecost with.

[journey42]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2014,08:09)

Hi j42, Acts was a fulfilment in type. There was nothing else for Peter to compare Pentecost with.

Nick

So what is your answer?
I will have mine by today.

[NickHassan]

Hi j42,
Rushed answers can be rash ones

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