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David, go look at ALL those links on my websites, people are being warned of this through “” TV. Radio, Magazines, and the Internet””.
Now, go answer my questions with scriptures in the Baal Gad topic, will you??
Are you on TV and the radio and in magazines?
If I wanted to hear more about this, but don't really trust anything on the internet (call it paranoi) how would I learn more?
Where would you direct me to?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YHWH eliyah, there is controversy as to the pronunciation. are you sure it's “Yahweh”?
As far as I know, no one knows how it was pronounced for sure. It's probably Yahweh. But, we can't know that for sure.
i should have been more careful and posted the link in your other post, eliyah: “The importance of yahweh's name., His name, not pagan titles.”
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Quote Well, the( Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol.7, Page 680) says cincerning the Name. “”Quote:
YHWH. The personal name…written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the “Tetragrammaton.” At least until the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century B.C.E. the pronunciation of the name YHWH was avoided, and Adonai, “the Lord”, was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, “Lord”, for YHWH in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century.Where the combined form 'Adonai YHWH occurs in the Bible, this was read as 'Adonai 'Elohim, “Lord God”. In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowel points to facilitate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variationwere used for YHWH, thus producing the form YeHoWaH. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name “Jehovah”. In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name 'Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shema', “the Name”) even in such an expression as “Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH” (Ps. 118:26). The avoidance of pronouncing the name YHWH is generally ascribed to a sense of reverence.
More precisely, it was caused by a misunderstanding of the Third Commandment (Ex. 20:7; Deut. 5:11) as meaning “Thou shalt not take the name of YHWH thy God in vain”, whereas it really means “You shall not swear falsely by the name of YHWH your God” (JPS).
The true pronunciation of the name of YHWH was never lost. Several early Greek writers of the Christian Church testify that the name was pronounced “Yahweh”.The short form of “” Yah “” ( Strongs Hebrew Number 3050) is first used by Moses in ( Exod.15:2).
David, YOU very well know this, because it is in the back of the New World translation as “” Jah” where the modern letter “J ” replaced the letter ” Y “.
You know that is true David.
Quote OneSpirit, All those ” words ” are not of the True Creator YHWH, but this is about substituting and replacing HIS NAME with pagan idol image title deities.
And every pagan word should be removed from our lips within connection to YHWH, and our worship of Him, because He ONLY accepts those who worship in spirit and in TRUTH( John 4:23-24).
So I ask you again, Eliyah, are you going to stop using all of the words I listed in my previous post?
Somehow, I doubt he will. But he's stressing the fact that we're using a pagan word to refer to the Almighty, which is surely different than using a pagan word to refer to an ordinary object.
yes, Elijah, I know Moses was the first to use the shortened form of Jehovah's name. I'm not sure what your point is.
Brandon asked if we can be certain that Yahweh is how Jehovah's name was originally pronounced in hebrew. There is not agreement on that. So, the answer would have to be no.
Quote Somehow, I doubt he will. But he's stressing the fact that we're using a pagan word to refer to the Almighty, which is surely different than using a pagan word to refer to an ordinary object. Thanks for pointing that out David. However, I must warn you that I find your position – the Jehovah's Witness position – on this matter the most indefensible. You believe that it is important to use the Creator's true name, but you go on to use the most demonstrably false version of it.
(Note: One's name does not change when one moves from an English speaking country to a Spanish speaking country, or to a Slavic country. Neither does the Creator's name change because one does not speak Hebrew. Even the name “Jehovah” is meant to approximate the Hebrew “YHWH”, but it is one of the worst attempts at it.)
Eliyah,
Assuming that David has captured your intentions correctly, please answer this question instead:
Do you reject the titles “el” and “elohim” since they were also used of pagan dieties? (See Judges 8:33 and a whole host of other passages in the Hebrew scriptures.) The word “god” is what we use in English to translate those Hebrew words in scripture, and interestingly enough, the title “god”, in English, is also used of pagan dieties as well as the true God. What's the difference, as you see it?
Hi,
I fail to see the name mentioned in Romans 1where Yahweh demands worship from all, but all do not know the Name.onespirit, i think you're being superficial, like saying: “the cheese is spoiled. don't eat it. so why do you eat cheese at all from the refrigerator?”
1. the term “el,” as i understand, means “mighty one” and is an expansive term that can be attributed generally to many while without a pagan origin in the encyclopedia.
2. the term “god” is more of a contractive term that can be used in polytheism. it's controversial origin may specifically deal with paganism. “to pour” was mentioned in eliyah's reference which is clearly related to idolatry.
3. the name YHWH which appears over 6,000 times was intentionally deleted, removed, obliterated from the bible over 6,000 times. this was the exclusive name for our heavenly Father.
for you to state pessimism as a defense to not initiate an attempt to attain purity is your discretion. however, if you apply pessimism to current politics, you may easily state: “we can never solve world hunger, so who cares about the poor? we can never stop wars, so let them shoot each other.” these very difficult case matters are real and can have meaning.
Brandon,
I am glad that you are devoted enough to the Almighty to try to do everything in your power to please Him. My question for you, and for Eliyah, is how do you plan to do that while speaking a pagan derived language? As Eliyah has put it, is there such a thing as a little paganism?
Personally, I believe that trying to use the True Name of our Creator is enough. Trying to purify the enitre English language of pagan derived words, including the word “god”, seems to be an effort in vanity.
Quote 1. the term “el,” as i understand, means “mighty one” and is an expansive term that can be attributed generally to many while without a pagan origin in the encyclopedia. 2. the term “god” is more of a contractive term that can be used in polytheism. it's controversial origin may specifically deal with paganism. “to pour” was mentioned in eliyah's reference which is clearly related to idolatry.
If “pouring” is a definite reference to paganism, than you need to explain why it shows up in the Hebrew scriptures thusly:
Quote Genesis 35:14
So Jacob set up a pillar in the place where He talked with him, a pillar of stone; and he poured a drink offering on it, and he poured oil on it.Numbers 28:7
And its drink offering shall be one-fourth of a hin for each lamb; in a holy place you shall pour out the drink to YHWH as an offering.The origin of the word “god” most certainly comes from a pagan peoples, as the origin of the English language is thoroughly pagan. But to say that a word that was used in reference to a drink offering is offensive to the Almighty seems to be presuming too much.
Hi,
We live in a pagan world still controlled largely by it's prince,Satan, but are not of the world and neither is the kingdom.according to the article, it's clearly shown it has pagan origins to me. what struck me personally was the sense of pouring in regards to a molten image. it may not have been clear to you. i have to do more research. i've already stated this.
there are many examples of self-contradictory endeavor. doctors smoking cigarettes for instance. to categorically deny eliyah's statments by basing your counter-arguments on defeatism i think is not rational.
it seems like you're trying to throw crumbs of doubt over and over. throw some real meaty stuff to me. i'm tired of the bones you throw with small specks of meat.
i wish we didn't have to argue. i wish there was no inquisition during the middle ages. i wish there was no blasphemy in roman catholicism. i wish the people fully accepted jesus our messiah and the apostles throughout the generations so that today in the year 2005, we can have a clear unadulterated bible.
how accurate is the 1911 britannica? i don't know. how do you go against and change millions of catholic people? i don't know exactly.
i appreciate having a forum to share posts, but i hate not having conclusive conclusions.
Greetings ONESPIRIT,
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Quote I am glad that you are devoted enough to the Almighty to try to do everything in your power to please Him. My question for you, and for Eliyah, is how do you plan to do that while speaking a pagan derived language? As Eliyah has put it, is there such a thing as a little paganism? Personally, I believe that trying to use the True Name of our Creator is enough. Trying to purify the enitre English language of pagan derived words, including the word “god”, seems to be an effort in vanity.
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1. the term “el,” as i understand, means “mighty one” and is an expansive term that can be attributed generally to many while without a pagan origin in the encyclopedia.2. the term “god” is more of a contractive term that can be used in polytheism. it's controversial origin may specifically deal with paganism. “to pour” was mentioned in eliyah's reference which is clearly related to idolatry.
If “pouring” is a definite reference to paganism, than you need to explain why it shows up in the Hebrew scriptures thusly:
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Genesis 35:14
So Jacob set up a pillar in the place where He talked with him, a pillar of stone; and he poured a drink offering on it, and he poured oil on it.Numbers 28:7
And its drink offering shall be one-fourth of a hin for each lamb; in a holy place you shall pour out the drink to YHWH as an offering.The origin of the word “god” most certainly comes from a pagan peoples, as the origin of the English language is thoroughly pagan. But to say that a word that was used in reference to a drink offering is offensive to the Almighty seems to be presuming too much.
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However, You seem to not understand, that the pagan word ” g-d ” is explicitly referring to a Babylonian deity( Isa.65:11, notice the Hebrew vowel pointing), and it is in reference to “” pouring a molten image “” by the Teutonic( ie Germans-ie- Asryians) races.
We should ONLY use the true Father's Name and His original pure word Title of ” El ” that was originally written by Moses, in ( Gen.),but not apply other nation's pagan title name deities to Yah.
To apply other nation's pagan deities to Him constitutes Idolatry and violates ( Exod.20:2-7; Exod.23:13; Deut.5:7; Joshua 23:5-7), and it doesn't matter what we may assume by what seems right in our own eyes- as the Proverb says.
Even Solomon fell into that trap because of his 700 wives and 300 concubines, and he too was condemned for such Idolatry( See my first Article on Baal Gad).
Men can change and view pagan relics to Yah and mean or assume( as Solomon did)for them for to be right, but YHWH NEVER CHANGES( Mal.3:6), and to Him that word of ” g-d =gad” as a noun name means the same as it did in ( Isa.65:11), and is a heathen deity.
Eliyah C.
Onespirit said:
“One's name does not change when one moves from an English speaking country to a Spanish speaking country.”
Really? What about Chinese? How is Jesus' name pronounced in Chinese onespirit? German? Cherokee? Arabian? Indonisian? Mongolian? etc?
Being that we have millions of people who do use God's name, I can say that yes, it is pronounced differently in hundreds of languages.Your point about rejecting the titles “el” and “elohim” because they are also used of pagan dieties is a good one. I'm interested to here Elijah's responce.
Please Type in the Number “” 1409 “” and LISTEN TO THE PRONOUNCIATION of the word “”Quote
gawd=Strongs Hebrew number 1409 used in ( Isa.65:11)= gad of that Babylonian deity.http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?
Be honest with yourself, does this word not SOUND IN PRONOUNCIATION exactly like the English ” G-D “??
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