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KING JAMES VERSION
Does your King James Version Bible use words or wording that originated in pagan religions, especially in pagan sun worship such as: Amen, Bible, Christ, Church, Cross, Easter, Ghost, Glory, God, Holy, Jesus, Lord, and Testament?
AMEN
The Hebrew of the Old Testament reveals to us that the Scriptural Hebrew word (which means: so be it, or verily, or surely) is “Amein” and not “Amen.” Likewise, the Greek equivalent in the Greek New Testament is pronounced: “Amein.” The Egyptians, including the Alexandrians, had been worshiping, or been acquainted with, the head of the Egyptian pantheon, Amen-Ra, the great sun-deity, for more than one thousand years B.C. Before he was known as Amen-Ra, he was known as Amen among the Thebans.
According to Funk and Wagnall's Standard College Dictionary, AMEN was the god of life and procreation in Egyptian mythology, and later identified with the Sun-god as the supreme deity and called “Amen-Ra.” Smith's Bible Dictionary and Egyptian Belief and Modern Thought agree.
Our Saviour Yahushua calls Himself “the Amein” in Revelation 3:14. One might ask: Have we been misled to invoke the name of the Egyptian sun-deity at the end of our prayers?
PRESENTED IN REVELATIONS 22:21
KJV – Amen
ISR – Amên (pronounced Ah-mein)
BIBLE
The term “Scripture (or Scriptures)” is used once in the Book of Daniel and fifty-four times in the New Testament. It refers to the whole book, which is commonly known as “the Bible.” The parts of The Scripture, or individual books, are called “books” or “scrolls,” which are biblos or biblion in Greek. These words do not refer to the complete writ, The Scriptures.
The word “Bible” for The Scriptures was first used about A.D. 400. The papyrus, on which all documents were written, was imported from Egypt through the Phoenician seaport Gebal, which the Greeks called Byblos or Byblus. This seaport was the home of the Phoenician Sun-deity. This city was founded by Baal Chronos and was the seat of Adonis and once contained a large temple of Adonis. The sun-god was associated with the “Lady of Biblos.” Both the city of Byblos in Phoenicia and the city Byblis in Egypt were named after the female deity Byblis (also called Byble or Biblis). This deity was the grand-daughter of Apollo, the Greek sun-deity. Byblia was also a name for Venus, an astral goddess and a goddess of sensuality among the ancient Greeks.
PRESENTED ON TITLE PAGE
KJV – Bible
ISR – Scriptures
CHRIST
The Greeks used both the word Messias (a transliteration) and Christos (a translation) for the Hebrew Mashiach (Anointed). The word Christos was far more acceptable to the pagans who were worshiping Chreston and Chrestos.
According to The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, the word Christos was easily confused with the common Greek proper name Chrestos, meaning “good.” According to a French theological dictionary, it is absolutely beyond doubt that Christus and Chrestus, and Christiani and Chrestiani were used indifferently by the profane and Christian authors of the first two centuries A.D. The word Christianos is a Latinism, being contributed neither by the Jews nor by the Christians themselves. The word was introduced from one of three origins: the Roman police, the Roman populace, or an unspecified pagan origin. Its infrequent use in the New Testament suggests a pagan origin.
According to Realencyclopaedie, the inscription Chrestos is to be seen on a Mithras relief in the Vatican. According to Christianity and Mythology, Osiris, the sun-deity of Egypt, was reverenced as Chrestos. In the Synagogue of the Marcionites on Mount Hermon, built in the third century A.D., the Messiah's title is spelled Chrestos. According to Tertullian and Lactantius, the common people usually called Christ Chrestos.
PRESENTED IN JOHN 20:31
KJV – Christ
ISR – Messiah
CHURCH
This is the word used in most English versions as a rendering of the Greek “ekklesia.” The Greek word means “a calling out,” “a meeting,” or “a gathering.” Ekklesia is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew qahal, which means an assembly or a congregation.
The origin of the word “church” is kuriakon or kyriakon in Greek. The meaning is a building (the house of Kurios, or Lord).
Dictionaries give the origin of “church” as the Anglo-Saxon root, circe. Circe was the goddess-daughter of Helios, the sun-deity. The word circe is related to “circus,” “circle,” “circuit,” and “circulate.”
Circe was originally a Greek goddess whose name was written and pronounced as Kirke. The word “church” is known in Scotland as kirk, in Germany as Kirche, and in Netherlands as kerk.
PRESENTED IN REVELATION 2:1
KJV – church
ISR – assembly
CROSS
The words “cross” and “crucify” are mistranslations, a “later rendering,” of the Greek words stauros and stauroo. According to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, STAUROS denotes, primarily, an upright pole or stake. The shape of the two-beamed cross had its origin in ancient Chaldea and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz. In the third century A.D., pagans were received into the apostate ecclesiastical system and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols.
According to The Companion Bible, crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian Sun-god. The evidence is complete; the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, not on two pieces of timber placed at an angle.
According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, in the Egyptian churches the cross was a pagan symbol of life borrowed by the Christians and interpreted in the pagan manner.
According to Greek dictionaries and lexicons, the primary meaning of stauros is an upright pale, pole, or stake. The secondary meaning of “cross” is admitted to be a “later” rendering. In spite of the evidence, almost all common versions of the Scriptures persist with the Latin Vulgate's crux (meaning cross) as the rendering of the Greek stauros.
The most accepted reason for the “cross” being brought into Messianic worship is Constantine's famous vision of “the cross superimposed on the sun” in A.D. 312. What he saw is nowhere to be found in Scripture. Even after his so-called “conversion,” his coins showed an even-armed cross as a symbol for the sun-god. Many scholars have doubted the “conversion” of Constantine because of the wicked deeds that he did afterwards.
After Constantine had the “vision of the cross,” he promoted another variety of the cross, the Chi-Rho or Labarum. This has been explained as representing the first letters of the name Christos (CH and R, or, in Greek, X and P). The identical symbols were found as inscriptions on rock, dating from ca. 2500 B.C., being interpreted as “a combination of the two Sun-symbols.” Another proof of its pagan origin is that the identical symbol was found on a coin of Ptolemeus III from 247-222 B.C.
According to An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Traditional Symbols, the labarum was also an emblem of the Chaldean sky-god. Emperor Constantine adopted the labarum as the imperial ensign. According to Dictionary of Mythology Folklore and Symbols, the symbol was in use long before Christianity. Chi probably stood for Great Fire or Sun. Rho probably stood for Pater or Patah (Father). The word labarum yields “everlasting Father Sun.”
PRESENTED IN JOHN 19:19
KJV – cross
ISR – stake
EASTER
Pesach (Hebrew) in english is Passover, Easter is Ishtar, (Semiramis, widow of Nimrod, mother of Tammuz) the name of the bare breasted pegan fertility goddess of the east who came out of heaven in a giant egg, landing in the euphrates river at sunrise on the first Sunday after the veral equinox, busting out turning a bird into an egg laying rabbit. After that point in time the priest of Easter would sacrifice infants and then take the eggs of Easter
and die them in the blood of the sacrificed infants. These eggs would hach on December 25th and that is where that pagan Holy Day comes from.PRESENTED IN ACTS 12:4
KJV – Easter
ISR – Pesach
GHOST
The Greek word 'pneuma' by todays english standards should read spirit, as well with the Hebrew word 'ruwach' found in the original Hebrew version of Mathew, also means spirit, not ghost which is “the soul of man; a disembodied spirit.” Our Heavenly Father certainly cannot be a ghost for He never had a body to be disembodied from. I can't speak for the King James per-Version crowd who say that he is dead by refering to Him as a ghost but He is very much alive in my life. Yahshua the Messiah certainly was not a ghost since that word was used prior to his birth in the King James per-Version at which time he did not have a body and to say that it was His ghost would to say that He had died previously, before comming in the flesh and that His ressurection was not His first.
PRESENTED IN JOHN 14:26
KJV – Ghost
ISR – Spirit
GLORY
The Greek word doxa in the Greek translations of the Old Testament and of the New Testament is usually rendered “glory” in the English versions, a translation of the Latin gloria. The Hebrew word kabod is usually rendered “honour” when applied to man, but rendered “glory” when applied to our Heavenly Father. Doxa means opinion, estimation, esteem, and repute. Kabad means to be heavy or make weighty, and esteem in its figurative sense.
Funk and Wagnalls New Standard Dictionary of the English Language has these three definitions under “glory,” as follows: (1) in religious symbolism, the complete representation of an emanation of light from the person of a sanctified being, consisting of the aureole and the nimbus; (2) the quality of being radiant; as the glory of the sun; (3) any ring of light; a halo. Neither the Hebrew words kabod and kabad nor the Greek words doxa and dokeo carry these meanings.
The Church identified Elohim with the sun-deity, which was the prevailing deity of the Roman emperors, the Roman capital, and the Roman Empire. Gloria, a Roman goddess, was personified on an icon as a woman whose upper body was almost naked, holding a circle on which are zodiac signs. In the dictionaries, encyclopedias, and ecclesiastical books are found many illustrations of our Saviour, the Virgin, and the saints, encircled with radiant circles or emanations of light around them. Instead of “glory,” such words as “esteem,” “high esteem,” or “repute,” which carries the meanings of the Hebrew and Greek words, can be used.
PRESENTED IN JOHN 1:14
KJV – glory
ISR – esteem
GOD
Gad is a Syrian or Canaanite deity of good luck or fortune. In Hebrew, it is written GD, but with Massoretic vowel-pointing, it gives us “Gad.” Other Scriptural references to a similar deity, also written GD, have a vowel-pointing giving us “Gawd” or “God.” Gad is identified with Jupiter, the Sky-deity or the Sun-deity.
The word “God (or god)” is a title, translating the Hebrew Elohim (or elohim), El (or el), and Eloah. However, it is often used as a substitute for the Tetragrammaton (YHVH).
According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, GOD is the common Teutonic word for a personal object of religious worship, applied to all the superhuman beings of the heathen mythologies. The word “god” on the conversion of the Teutonic races to Christianity was adopted as the name of the One Supreme Being. Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics and Webster's Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged agree that the origin is Teutonic paganism.
In Indo-Germanic dictionaries, only one word resembles “god.” It is ghodh and is pronounced the same. This word means union, also sexual union or mating. According to Luneburger Wörterbuch, the following are the same word: Gott, got, gode, gade, god and guth (gud).
PRESENTED IN MATHEW 22:29
KJV – GodISR – Elohim
HOLY
The Hebrew word kodesh and the equivalent Greek word hagios and their derivatives have been translated as holy, hallowed, or sanctified in older English versions, and in modern versions as sacred. Bible dictionaries state that the meaning of kodesh (as well as kadash) specifies “separation.” Modern scholars use the words “set apart,” “set-apart,” and “apartness.”
According to Dictionary of Mythology Folklore and Symbols, the following is stated about the word HOLY: In practically all languages, the word “holy” has been derived from the divinely honored sun. According to Encyclopedia of Religions, HOLI is the Great Hindu spring festival, held in honour of Krishna, as the spring sun-god. Strong's Concordance refers to “heile” (the sun's rays). This form is almost identical to the German and Dutch equivalent of the English “holy.” The German and Dutch word is heilig, which is derived from Heil, the name of a Saxon idol.
PRESENTED IN REVELATION 22:11
KJV – holy
ISR – set-apart
JESUS
The original name of our Saviour was not Jesus or Iesous, but Yahshua. In our Saviour's word, His Father's Name was given to Him. The Father's Name is Yahweh.
Two factors contributed greatly to the substitution and the distortion of our Saviour's Name. The first was the superstitious teaching of the Jews that the Father's Name is not to be uttered and that the Name must be “disguised” outside of the temple of Jerusalem. The second factor was the strong anti-Judaism feeling that prevailed amongst the Gentiles. They wanted a saviour, but not a Jewish one.
According to Wörterbuch der Antike, the substitute name can be traced back to the Latin Iesus and the Greek Iesous. Then, it can be traced back to an adaptation of the name of the Greek healing goddess Ieso. The Greek-English Lexicon of Liddell and Scott, confirm this. To Greeks who venerated a healing goddess Ieso, a saviour Iesous must have been most acceptable, suggests a writer in Philologische Wochenschrift. In spite of attempts to justify the “translating” of the Father's Name and His Son's Name, it cannot be done. A person's name remains the same in all languages.
The father of the Greek goddess Ieso was Asclepius, the deity of healing. The father of Asclepius was Apollo, the great sun-deity. Thus, the name Iesous can be traced back to sun-worship. There is also a relationship to the Egyptian goddess Isis and her son Isu. According to Reallexikon der Agpyptischen Religionsgeschichte, the name of Isis appears in hieroglyphic inscriptions as ESU or ES. Isu and Esu sound exactly like “Jesu” that the Saviour is called in the translated Scriptures of many languages.
Esus was a Gallic deity comparable to the Scandanavian Odin. The Greek abbreviation for Iesous is IHS, which is found on many inscriptions made by the Church during the middle Ages. IHS was the mystery name of Bacchus (Tammuz), another sun-deity. These are a few examples only.
PRESENTED IN MATTHEW 1:21
KJV – Jesus (Son of Zeus)
ISR – Yahshua (Yah-Saves)
LORD
The title “lord” is applied to all heathen deities, if the word “god” is not used for them. In most cases “lord” and “god” are used interchangeably for pagan idols.
There was an Etruscan house deity whose name was Lar, which signified “Lord.” It was also known as Larth, who later on became very popular in Rome and became known as Lares (plural) because as idol statues they were usually in pairs. The Greek equivalent of this name was Heros, which was another name for Zeus. A feminine form was known as Lara, who was the beloved of the god Mercury.
Lar and Larth mean Lord. The letters “th” and “d” were virtually interchangeably used, in various nations. It was also common to find “o” and “a” interchangeably used in Old and Middle English. The word “Lord” can also be traced back to Loride, a surname for the Teutonic god Thor, and to Lordo, another deity.
Instead of “Lord,” the word ”
Master,” an exact rendering of the Hebrew Adonai and the Greek Kurios, can be used.PRESENTED IN MATTHEW 7:21-23
KJV – Lord
ISR – Master
TESTAMENT
One of the saddest mistakes of the King James Version is its use of the word “testament” instead of “covenant.” According to the Companion Bible, the word “Testament” as a translation of the Greek word diatheke (which means covenant), has been nothing less than a great calamity; for, by its use, truth has been effectually veiled all through the centuries.
A covenant is a binding agreement between two parties; it is a two-party solemn agreement bound by oath. On the other hand, a testament is a written instrument by which someone has disposed of his estate.
This word “testament” as a description of our present spiritual realm is the heritage that we have inherited from Rome, for it has come our way, due to the use of the word “testament” in the Latin Vulgate. The word gives the wrong impression of “receiving only.” It contributes to the erroneous teachings of “only believe,” “grace only,” “good works are unnecessary,” “love only.” The doctrine of “only believe” is the fruit of the work of the “spirit that works in the sons of disobedience,” the spirit in the Man of Lawlessness who instituted this “no-law-religion,” the Great Apostasy, the Mystery of Lawlessness.
PRESENTED ON TITLE PAGE
KJV – The New Testament
ISR – The Messianic Scriptures
AUTHORIZED VERSION?
It makes me laugh when I hear some call the King James per-Version, the Authorized Version. Authorized by whom? You? The Pope? Satan? In the 1631 edition printing of the King James per-Version, in Exodus 20:14, a very small word was left out by the printers. The word “not”. This changed the 7th commandment to say Thou shalt commit adultery! What perversion! The few copies that are left are referred to as “The Wicked Bible”. Before the King James per-Version, there was the Authorized Bishops Bible and before that, the Authorized Latin Vulgate which was translated from the Authorized Greek Septuagint which was translated from the original Hebrew. Did someone say Original and Hebrew? The only Authorized Version if there is such a thing would be that which was written in the original Hebrew where there are no problems with loss of meaning of the text through translating into an inferior language. The King James per-Version contains almost 2000 different mistranslations, and of those over 500 changes the meaning of the text itself. One of those mistranlations happends about 6,800 times when they tranlate YHWH into a meaningless LORD instead of the proper Yahweh. Why do you think Satan would want to do this? The scriptures say, “Whosoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh shall be saved”. If you don't know his name than you can't call on His name and you won't ever know his name if you are reading the King James per-Version. The King James per-Version is Authorized by Satan and Satan alone.
Eliyah C. on the net!
Brandon, read the section on the cross above. I didn't really go into detail, just mentioning the words stauros and xylon, but Elijah provides a little more detail.
Hi e,
I personally dislike KJV for many reasons. Thank our Creator that we have the help of his Spirit to read the truth from the Word… and do not have to rely totally on men.Those people who are of the true Creator YAH hears and understands Yah's words.
David, If you are truely a JW's, then You know what I write above is true!!!
Nick, Your other “” Translations “” are NO better either concerning paganism sonny boy.
David, I've only begun to expose paganism that has infiltrated christianity, which is really christian paganism being taught today.
Eliyah on the net!
this is amazing, eliyah. i asked you before if you had any other topics, and you've shown me more. thank you.
people, we need purity. the bible says not to add or delete from scripture. if what eliyah says is true, then we must toss out alterations and accept the pure.
Its time to separate the TRUTH, from the FALSE, pagan from the scriptures, and get on the straight and narrow path.
Quote (Eliyah @ Sep. 12 2005,05:39) Those people who are of the true Creator YAH hears and understands Yah's words. David, If you are truely a JW's, then You know what I write above is true!!!
Nick, Your other “” Translations “” are NO better either concerning paganism sonny boy.
David, I've only begun to expose paganism that has infiltrated christianity, which is really christian paganism being taught today.
Eliyah on the net!
Hi eliyah,
Is “sonny boy ” typical of your relations with others?Patronising contempt?
I hope not.
Nick, You seem to have sarcasum toward me. Why?
Because I expose the paganistic popular English translations?I did not mean for you to take that as “” Patronizing contempt “, but you can take it any way you like, because your going to anyway.
You can hate me if you so desire, but your not the first, and you want be the last one to do so either.
Does it cut you so deep for me to expose the deception of satan in modern religion that practices Baalism??
Well, that's just too bad, for this cause was I born, and i'm under a vow to carry out YHWH'S will of exposing modern day prophets of Baal, and the restitution of Yah's laws among a rebellious paganistic religious society.
Eliyah C.
Hi eliyah,
I have no personal problems with you or even with what you say. Why should I hate you? Do lots of people hate you? Could you possibly have any part in their reactions or was it always their fault too?
I must admit I would love to see some evidence that the love of Yahweh has anything to do with your approach and some healthy fruit of the Spirit in your attitudes to others.I've sometimes struggled with how far this can be taken.
For example:
The days are based on gods.
The months are based on gods.
Even something as simple as a ring, wedding rings for example.
There are a lot of things that have pagan backgrounds.My question:
Where do we draw the line.david
Nick, You said “”
Quote Hi eliyah,
I have no personal problems with you or even with what you say. Why should I hate you? Do lots of people hate you? Could you possibly have any part in their reactions or was it always their fault too?
I must admit I would love to see some evidence that the love of Yahweh has anything to do with your approach and some healthy fruit of the Spirit in your attitudes to others.Nick, I do not mean any dis-respect to you, and I'm sorry for making those remarks to you earlier, its just that you insulted the true Messiah, when you said that He did not teach the Father's true Name, which I have proven to you that He did too.
Nick, what do you think that I've been doing here?
The scriptures say, “”
Quote If we love our neighbors and brothers, that we want suffer SIN( ie-transgressions of Law or torah 1 John 3:4) to come upon him, or become his ruin.Remember? Or, do I have to quote that to you too?
Yes, I told you before, when I first came to this forum, how other forum Administrators hate me and Yah's message.
And, thank you for posting your first post using Yahweh's true Name, and not using those titles.
Quote I must admit I would love to see some evidence that the love of Yahweh has anything to do with your approach and some healthy fruit of the Spirit in your attitudes to others. I thank you Nick, but I guess I have been facing opposition to Yah's Name and His laws for so long that sometimes I take that for granted.
Thank you, for reminding me of that, I'm not above being reminded of correction and accepting it.
Eliyah C not above the law.
Elijah,
I'd like to start by saying that, what you know and believe is fascinating to me.
I'm wondering how many people subscribe to your thoughts on baal gad = lord god.
Because if it's just you, I'm wondering how Jehovah is going to use you to help others to hear this? I mean, Jehovah is just. He's not going to destroy people without giving them fair warning. If you are the vehicle for that warning, how will you reach them. 'How will they call on him without someone to preach,' sort of thing.
I'm wondering how many people know what you know. And I'm wondering what they're doing about it.
And I'm wondering: If you have no hope of reaching any significant number of people….what does that mean?Quote (liljon @ Sep. 12 2005,13:13) ditto for easter, everything else i don't believe is true
Thank you liljon for showing you are openminded to search out truth for yourself. have you discovered any other falsities taught by the traditional churches?David, You said, “”
Quote Elijah,
I'd like to start by saying that, what you know and believe is fascinating to me.
I'm wondering how many people subscribe to your thoughts on baal gad = lord god.
Because if it's just you, I'm wondering how Jehovah is going to use you to help others to hear this? I mean, Jehovah is just. He's not going to destroy people without giving them fair warning. If you are the vehicle for that warning, how will you reach them. 'How will they call on him without someone to preach,' sort of thing.
I'm wondering how many people know what you know. And I'm wondering what they're doing about it.
And I'm wondering: If you have no hope of reaching any significant number of people….what does that mean?David, I'm not the ONLY one that knows this and that is warning people of such Idolatry, and true there are only few of us who do.
And, what we are doing about it?
Some few are using T.V. and Radio, but I feel that I can warn many People of this through the scriptural forums on the internet.
I have only been back on the internet for about 3 months, and this warning of Idolary by practicing “” syncretisim “” has already been put up and posted to many ” forums “, some have enough LOVE OF THE TRUTH to investigate it, and sad to say, many merely ignor it.
Within the past 3 months, 2 forums booted me out, and revoked my posting membership, merely because I posted ONLY the “” Baal Gad “” topic.
However, those same 2 forums that revoked my posting membership suddenly “” shut down “” within two days, and are nolonger there.
I will give you the name of them, it was ( Shema Bulletin Board Discussions forums) and ( Zion biblical discussions forums).
David, please read ( Revelation 12:9; Revelation 13:3 threw 4, and Revelation 13:8) very close.
Those verses say that the whole world's inhabbitants would be worshipping the beast and satan the devil in the end times through satan's deception.
The ONLY way that is being done, is through religious Idolatry, for YHWH will not accept “” spiritual fornication ” of Idolatry worship, but satan the devil does accept such worship.
There is ANOTHER scripture that goes along with this, and it is in ( Matt.24) concerning as the DAYS OF NOAH.
All people have to do is read about ALL THE DEMONIC WICKEDNESS and lawlessness during the time of Noah, which is what brought on their destruction.
Does people really kid themselves that things are not already getting to a similar situation today???
David, You NEVER answered my question in the “” Baal Gad “” topic, concerning the origin paganism of “” Christmas and Easter “” compared to the pagan origin of “” god “”??
Would you please go to the “” Baal Gad Topic “” and answer the question that I asked 2 other prominant JW members ?
However, IF people RECEIVE THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH to fully investigate this, they will SEE that it is true.
If people want to blindly say, as the one above did “”” Easter I believe, but the rest I do not “”” Unquote.
Then, without really investigating it fully, then they have chosen to blindedly worship satan the devil in ignorance and blindly following the crowd.( Rev.9:20; Rev.12:9; Rev.13:3-4,8) through deception.
There is a “” forum “” that knows this truth because they have been interested enough to research into these things of modern Babylon.
However, even IF this forum and its Administrators do not believe this, and is not even interested in investigating it with an OPEN MIND, then, they will still have been warned and their blood shall be upon their own heads.
In all the scriptures, it is THE MANY that are deceived, and not the few, but people are being warned of such Idolatry practices by ” syncretisim “.
Now, will you go to the “” Baal Gad Topic “” and answer that Question ??
Eliyah C. back on the net!
Allo David,
You said, “”
Quote I've sometimes struggled with how far this can be taken. For example:
The days are based on gods.
The months are based on gods.
Even something as simple as a ring, wedding rings for example.
There are a lot of things that have pagan backgrounds.My question:
Where do we draw the line.David, Yah has already drawn the line for us, if people will only follow it!
He says “” LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN”” REMEMBER???
I got a real kick out of the “” Booklet “” published by the “” Watchtower Society “” called
Quote Knowledge that leads to Everlasting Life. However, the following below WAS NEVER EVEN MENTIONED IN THAT LITTLE BOOK.
The true Messiah was ASKED that very question “””
Quote ( Matt.19:16-19) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, Yah: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Yahshua said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
( See Ex 20:13-16 Dt 5:17-20)19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(See also Ex 20:12; Lev 19:18 ;Deut 5:16 ;Matt 5:43; Matt 22:39; Mark 12:31; Rom 13:9; Gal 5:14 ;Jam 2:8 )Now, what is required to have Eternal Life according to Messiah Himself ?
Eliyah C.
Quote (Eliyah @ Sep. 13 2005,02:52) Allo David, You said, “”
Quote I've sometimes struggled with how far this can be taken. For example:
The days are based on gods.
The months are based on gods.
Even something as simple as a ring, wedding rings for example.
There are a lot of things that have pagan backgrounds.My question:
Where do we draw the line.David, Yah has already drawn the line for us, if people will only follow it!
He says “” LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN”” REMEMBER???
I got a real kick out of the “” Booklet “” published by the “” Watchtower Society “” called
Quote Knowledge that leads to Everlasting Life. However, the following below WAS NEVER EVEN MENTIONED IN THAT LITTLE BOOK.
The true Messiah was ASKED that very question “””
Quote ( Matt.19:16-19) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, Yah: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Yahshua said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
( See Ex 20:13-16 Dt 5:17-20)19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(See also Ex 20:12; Lev 19:18 ;Deut 5:16 ;Matt 5:43; Matt 22:39; Mark 12:31; Rom 13:9; Gal 5:14 ;Jam 2:8 )Now, what is required to have Eternal Life according to Messiah Himself ?
Eliyah C.
Hi e,
In Matt 19 Yeshua was speaking to a Jew. He gave the answer to the question as he did because the Jews were still under the Law, and he had not yet died to open the way through his flesh to all men.
He answered in effect
“obey the law”
Then he, when further pressed spoke of and pointed to the better answer [and the same one in effect he gave Nicodemus]
“follow me”.
We were never under the Law, being gentiles, so the first answer was never for us. We only have the option of following him by being baptised into his death and resurrection by being born again of water and the Spirit. We are not saved by obedience to the Law and many have fallen into this trap.Yahweh is merciful especially towards those who have helped the kingdom. We should not hope for this mercy but join the throng of the “violent” who force their way in.
Nick, when Paul said that “” we are not under the Law “”, he meant that we are not under “” the curse of the death penality “” that the law had over us.
However, IF you SIN / ie-transgress the law, or commit lawlessness or SIN WILFULLY( Heb.10:26) there remains no more sacrifice for that sin or transgression, FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW( 1 John 3:4).
And those who SIN/ ie commit transgressions of law wilfully( 1 John 3:4), are CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL( 1 John 3:8).
Paul NEVER done away with the Law( Acts 24:14; Rom.3:31; Rom.7:22, 25) as false traditional christianity teaches today.
Traditional christianity are “” CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL “”( 1 John 3:8) as they teach lawlessness.
Even The Desciple Peter said, “”
Quote Those WHO were unlearned in scriptures would twist and wrest Paul's writings to their own destruction.( 2 Peter 3:16) And, that is exactly what has happened in traditional christianity today.
You are the one that has fell into a LAWLESS Children of the devil's ( 1 John 3:8) trap.
Now, will you please read ALL those scriptures ABOVE, before you blindly post against them?
Eliyah C. on the net!
Hi e,
Can you too be taught or are you the only oracle of Wisdom? Are all others who teach labelled as evildoers if you did not find those truths yourself?
Yeshua said “the law was in force until the time of John..”
Read again Rom 2.11[And Gal 2-3]Where does it ever say gentiles are under the law? We know the Spirit in us will produce fruit that will be in line with the demands of the Law but these are positive things, not negative commands.
“For there is no partiality with [yahweh]Fore all who have sinned without the law will perish without the Law; and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the Law;for not the hearers of the Law are just before [Yahweh]but the doers of the law will be justified. For when gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the law, are a law to themselves”
v17
“But if you hear the name 'Jew'and rely on the Law, and boast in[Yahweh]…”Works do not produce righteousness for us but filthy rags. We need to grasp onto the righteousness of the Son and be reborn into him.
there is no line to draw. we must destroy paganism.
jesus christ said sins can be forgiven except blasphemy. to use a name derived from paganism for our heavenly Father? blasphemy.
the names of the days have pagan origins. http://www.keyway.ca/htm2004/20040629.htm
but in america, they are not viewed as symbolic of paganism. this is indirect. praying to our heavenly Father with pagan names is direct. i want to draw no line, and remove all paganism. it may take a long time, lots of effort to convince and change the governments of the world, the industries of the world, the schools of the world to change their habit of using pagan words in the calendar. but to change yourself, to change an individual and turn him to the truth, that is laboring in the harvest.
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