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We put our trust in scripture. Not all do that of course.
You put your trust in the writings of the Hebrew government who rejected and killed Jesus.
Did you say anything that is relevant to this thread?
Yes, they were discussing the 2 different, overlapping flood stories about Noah. My contribution was how believers in Noah’s absurd flood story must by default believe in a form of rapid re-evolution mutation or some such ridiculousness after all the animals and humans left the ark and repopulated the earth.
Spock,
There is evidence for rapid evolution.
Article about rapid evolution in a particular species.
In recent years, biologists have increasingly recognized that evolutionary change can occur rapidly when natural selection is strong
You should not scoff at those things you do not understand.
If you wish to discuss evolution rationally then I can go on.
Spock,
There is evidence for rapid evolution.
Article about rapid evolution in a particular species.
In recent years, biologists have increasingly recognized that evolutionary change can occur rapidly when natural selection is strong
You should not scoff at those things you do not understand.
If you wish to discuss evolution rationally then I can go on.
How can someone have a rational conversation about evolution with a man who believes that all life as we know it came from a boat piloted by a 500 year old man???? On an earth with hundreds of millions of years of life layered in the archeological record????
A rational person would not believe in such an obviously laughable story if it was recently discovered outside of the Bible. But because religion has manipulated your sensibilities by convincing you that God wrote the Bible, then if it said the moon was made of cheese you would go find me and article written by fellow crack pots that explain how God got all that cheese into the moon.
The OT is an exaggerated fiction written by the priestly Hebrew government in Babylon intended to buttress the flagging faith of the scattered Israelites. It bolsters the tradition of a fictional miraculous past of the Jews which was effective in holding them together. [Today those same people are still held together waiting for an ill-conceived, material Messiah who will never come. They used their supposedly inspired scripture to reject the true Son of the promise when he did come]
People of common sense have become liberated from the fear of your inconsistent, genocidal fire breathing God behind the curtain of OZ.
Kerwin, the reason to have a glowing cat is beyond me. What purpose does it serve to better humanity, know what gets me more then anything all this research for idiotic reasons cost money and the money they spend on such things that could help out a community, give families that are struggling a second chance, even end hunger in a small village. Not good stewards these kind are.
The eco system has it’s own balance, humanity is the one that is the foreigner to it. We have not learned to live with it, we only want to control it and deplete it. These types of people don’t have the end game in mind.
To say god let’s it happen, just doesn’t sit well within me. There is good and there is not good, it is what we have chosen. Early man did not have a book stating that you do not kill, it was the tribe evolving to know that if I hit this person over the head with a club they no longer are capable of helping the tribe survive, so let’s not do that anymore.
How wonderful it is for ones that have the bible, for now it is as simple as pointing out a verse or passage and saying this is the word of God, who are you a human to question it, you only live by the words that are written in it. For anyone to go against such is a heretic and must be treated with distain and malice.
Hope you are well Kerwin.
Hello T8,
Paley’s work is quite impressive.
I think the madness comes from being taught as a child of the story of Noah, always two by two they went in. Not telling the child that 7 pairs of each clean animal went in. Which is a good move, the food source would produce faster, but then they also leave out, the clean animals were also sent in the ark to be sacrificed.
But really why would they want to teach children the procedure of sacrificing a animal to a God that they have been taught is nothing but love, a child’s mind could not absorb such teachings. Best to leave it out. Kinda like being set up for failure.
Then you wonder what other lies have I been told, then you find out it wasn’t an apple, no one knows what fruit it was. The crucifixion of Christ was not all sunshine and rainbows, that babies head were smashed against rocks, whole societies were murdered, left wondering in the desert, women are sub servant, you take a chance of being burnt alive, fire and brimstone, the end of the world. Then all the that rainbows and sunshine turn dark and cloudy and you have to muddle your way through to get back to the sunshine and rainbows. Perhaps that is the reason I state that just because
Then again it is well documented that teaching children what you want them to know is the best way to raise those little soldiers for your cause. Phycology; an amazing thing.
In the event that someone ask me do I believe in God, I usually state which God are you speaking of due to there are so many to choose from this day and age, and honestly I don’t know what God they serve. You know full well that I am not Christian, nor Jew, nor Muslim actually there isn’t a category for me and believe me T8 I have searched to find it. We all want to be part of something greater. It is in humanity to want to experience an after life. It is in our genetic make up.
Spock, I am taking ‘live long and prosper’ is not your tag line.
To deny the great flood didn’t happen is foolish, it is well documented through ancient cultures & archeology that a great flood of some kind did occur. The earth is organic of course there will be change.
What I do find intriguing is that I have not had the pleasure of having discussions with a Marcionian. Should be quite interesting to hear your take on why the Jewish culture had so much influence on the Roman culture. For the early church fathers were catholic. Constantine did bring in many religions and teachings together however I have never consider the concept of Jewish influence. Quite a different take on the matter.
Many cultures have their own version of creation, truth is, no one knows. We only take in the data that is given and choose which one we like the best, which one suits our environment at the time. That is a form of evolution.
Archeology that shows that mankind has been around much longer then it is written in the books, has been proven time and again, but you cannot have such things coming out into the public would cause too much drama. Leave it as it is the people are doing just fine as they are. Keep them looking at the shining objects while we go about our way in doing what we want. That is Darwin’s theory only the strong survive, if you take the resources the people need to live, then you have power over the people.
Poor humanity, we brag about how far we have come how much we have evolved, when some of us look and see regression.
Back to your God; Jesus Spock, so tell me how can a deity that is attached to another deity become a deity of it’s own. I mean mythology has it happening time and again, but I know from experience that is not the case here.
Spock,
A rational person would not believe in such an obviously laughable story if it was recently discovered outside of the Bible
That is an irrational statement as a rational man knows you can definitely prove only one thing and that is “I think therefore I am”. Everything after that is taken by faith. I for instance believe that I do not live in a dream. Does that make me more rational that the one who chooses to believe all things are a dream?
Each of our beliefs is based on what facts exist and on reason but we disagree on issues of faith.
Did the Great Deluge occur?
Scripture states it did and if you put your faith that Scripture is true then you believe that in some way it is true.
There are many flood stories outside of Scripture.
The fossil evidence is at best inconclusive.
It is where you choose to put your faith that determines what you choose to believe.
Spock,
Evolution itself is an intellectual argument and has little or no practical application that is not satisfied by the rules of breeding that have been known for thousands of years.
As I already mentions the two mechanisms of evolution which are change and selection have been known and used successfully by breeders long before Darwin introduced his hypothesis of evolution.
Darwin presented evidence that breeding using those same processes occurred in nature as well as under artificial conditions. Galápagos finches are an example of such breeding.
Darwin’s finding reveal that a kind of animal changes to fit into new ecological niches. A new breed of it is thus generated.
In short each of the various kind of Galápagos finches could have developed from an original pair of ancestor finches. Each kind of finch is bred for a particular ecology niche on the island. The same finches could hypothetically be bred to fill every ecological niche in the whole world given enough time and variation in genetic code.
Spock, I am taking ‘live long and prosper’ is not your tag line.
To deny the great flood didn’t happen is foolish, it is well documented through ancient cultures & archeology that a great flood of some kind did occur. The earth is organic of course there will be change.
Princess,
Science only speeds up the mortality of false Gods and the association of superstitious beliefs. The true God will actually emerge as religious thought continues to evolve.
Of coarse many ancient cultures have flood stories, there have been (and continue to be) many great floods. If we were living in 5,000 BC and the recent tsunami of Japan occurred, the Japanese people might understandably think their Gods were unhappy with them, they would incorporate that into their historic/religious world view. The ancients thought EVERYTHING was caused by God.
The YEC’s, who have made the writings of holy men into a “graven image”, would have us all believe that every species of plant, animal and near human that we have discovered in the archeological record, ALL lived together at the same time.
Reasonable people can see in the layers of earths history that this 4+ billion year old planet has been host to many epochs of evolutionary life, or if you like, different groups of life lived at different times and those things don’t live now.
Kerwin,
It is where you choose to put your faith that determines what you choose to believe.
I’m putting my faith in God, I take the writings of the people who killed Jesus with a grain of salt! Those who wrote about Jesus I hold in just a little higher regard. Those words purported to be the words of Jesus himself, I hold in the highest regard to the extent that I think hey were accurately restated.
Today I could write a spectacular, exaggerated history of my Scottish heritage and culture. I could simply include the writings of the prophets of old (even though my ancestors treated them badly at the time they lived when they railed against the religious establishment, would-be authors such as myself). 500 years from now someone might discover my dubious biography and because of the associated truths of the prophets therein, claim the entire work must be “the Word of God.”
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