Every Knee Shall Bow And Confess to God!

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,13:40)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,16:22) Hi WJ, Jesus said the Father was the one the Jews called God.[Jn8.54] Is that God of Jesus[jn20.17] and the jews not yet your God? NH The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either. WJ

What a farce of a statement, you sure are anti-semetic.

Many Jews knew 'elohim, and many Jews know 'elohim, many followed the grace through the law and many found grace without the law.

Now some Jews disobeyed him, and some do not accept him, but by know means can you use a blanket statement “The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either.”

You think Greco-Roman trinitarians are the only people on the earth that know 'Elohim and Yeshua HaMoshiach? That is probably the way you think isn't it?

Sad

[Ed J]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,18:45)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,13:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,16:22) Hi WJ, Jesus said the Father was the one the Jews called God.[Jn8.54] Is that God of Jesus[jn20.17] and the jews not yet your God? NH The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either. WJ What a farce of a statement, you sure are anti-semetic. Many Jews knew 'elohim, and many Jews know 'elohim, many followed the grace through the law and many found grace without the law. Now some Jews disobeyed him, and some do not accept him, but by know means can you use a blanket statement “The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either.” You think Greco-Roman trinitarians are the only people on the earth that know 'Elohim and Yeshua HaMoshiach? That is probably the way you think isn't it? Sad

Shalom Con,

How very sad.

B'Shem YHVH
Ed J

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,00:19)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,18:45) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,13:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,16:22) Hi WJ, Jesus said the Father was the one the Jews called God.[Jn8.54] Is that God of Jesus[jn20.17] and the jews not yet your God? NH The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either. WJ What a farce of a statement, you sure are anti-semetic. Many Jews knew 'elohim, and many Jews know 'elohim, many followed the grace through the law and many found grace without the law. Now some Jews disobeyed him, and some do not accept him, but by know means can you use a blanket statement “The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either.” You think Greco-Roman trinitarians are the only people on the earth that know 'Elohim and Yeshua HaMoshiach? That is probably the way you think isn't it? Sad Shalom Con, How very sad. B'Shem YHVH Ed J

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw his post, I am still having a hard grasping what he believes in that statement.

Considering 'Elohim is the 'Elohim of all the Old Covenants as well the New Covenant to the Jews.

I wonder if he is against being spiritually grafted in?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,18:45)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,13:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,16:22) Hi WJ, Jesus said the Father was the one the Jews called God.[Jn8.54] Is that God of Jesus[jn20.17] and the jews not yet your God? NH The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either. WJ What a farce of a statement, you sure are anti-semetic. Many Jews knew 'elohim, and many Jews know 'elohim, many followed the grace through the law and many found grace without the law. Now some Jews disobeyed him, and some do not accept him, but by know means can you use a blanket statement “The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either.” You think Greco-Roman trinitarians are the only people on the earth that know 'Elohim and Yeshua HaMoshiach? That is probably the way you think isn't it? Sad

Don't be silly! The apostle John said that “the Jews” wanted to kill Jesus for breaking the sabbath. Was John anti-semitic too? Or was his denomination “the Jews” restricted to a certain class of them?

You knew what WJ meant.

thinker

[terraricca]

hi all
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2009,07:22)

hi all Joh 4:22  Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Until Christ.

thinker

[Ed J]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 18 2009,07:30)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2009,07:22) hi all Joh 4:22  Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. Until Christ. thinker

Hi TT,

Jesus linage was 1/4 Jewish Luke 3:23-33!
What do you think that makes him?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,02:45)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,13:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,16:22) Hi WJ, Jesus said the Father was the one the Jews called God.[Jn8.54] Is that God of Jesus[jn20.17] and the jews not yet your God? NH The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either. WJ What a farce of a statement, you sure are anti-semetic. Many Jews knew 'elohim, and many Jews know 'elohim, many followed the grace through the law and many found grace without the law. Now some Jews disobeyed him, and some do not accept him, but by know means can you use a blanket statement “The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either.” You think Greco-Roman trinitarians are the only people on the earth that know 'Elohim and Yeshua HaMoshiach? That is probably the way you think isn't it? Sad

Con

What is a farce statement is you assuming I was talking about all Jews.

If you take off your “Arian” glasses and put off your “judgmental spirit” then you would see I was speaking of the Jews that did not believe his words in the context of the text that NH mentions, and those are the same ones that wanted to crucify him and were responsible for Just that.

No anti-semetism here.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,02:45)

You think Greco-Roman trinitarians are the only people on the earth that know 'Elohim and Yeshua HaMoshiach? That is probably the way you think isn't it? Sad

What is sad is you placing judgments on others before you know what you are talking about.

Thats ok though, for I know that is the same Spirit that the unbelieving Jews had against Jesus when he claimed he was “One with God”.

Deep down do you feel like you could just crucify me because I claim Jesus is “One with the Father?

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,03:19)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,18:45) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,13:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,16:22) Hi WJ, Jesus said the Father was the one the Jews called God.[Jn8.54] Is that God of Jesus[jn20.17] and the jews not yet your God? NH The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either. WJ What a farce of a statement, you sure are anti-semetic. Many Jews knew 'elohim, and many Jews know 'elohim, many followed the grace through the law and many found grace without the law. Now some Jews disobeyed him, and some do not accept him, but by know means can you use a blanket statement “The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either.” You think Greco-Roman trinitarians are the only people on the earth that know 'Elohim and Yeshua HaMoshiach? That is probably the way you think isn't it? Sad Shalom Con, How very sad. B'Shem YHVH Ed J

How sad that you make the same judgment?

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,08:30)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,03:19) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,18:45) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,13:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,16:22) Hi WJ, Jesus said the Father was the one the Jews called God.[Jn8.54] Is that God of Jesus[jn20.17] and the jews not yet your God? NH The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either. WJ What a farce of a statement, you sure are anti-semetic. Many Jews knew 'elohim, and many Jews know 'elohim, many followed the grace through the law and many found grace without the law. Now some Jews disobeyed him, and some do not accept him, but by know means can you use a blanket statement “The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either.” You think Greco-Roman trinitarians are the only people on the earth that know 'Elohim and Yeshua HaMoshiach? That is probably the way you think isn't it? Sad Shalom Con, How very sad. B'Shem YHVH Ed J How sad that you make the same judgment? WJ

Hi WJ,

When someone is drunk and crashes into someone else killing someone.
And somebody hears about is and says “how very sad”, is that a 'judgment' as well?

Think before you type, what you wrote is incorrect and you know it!

Ed J

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,02:30)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,12:34) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2009,15:06) hi WJ and Mathew 26;64 Mat 26:64  Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. t Please tell me what “Right hand of Power” means? No indication of Jesus being less than the Father here, but because he is at the right hand of power he is equal in power! Matt 28:18, 19 WJ 1 Peter 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at 'elohim's right hand, with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him. 1 Peter 3:22 States he sits at G-d's right hand, doesn't make him G-d. Does show he is at an elevated position. Mark 14:62 “I am,” said Yeshua HaMoshiach. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Mark 14:62 Again no diefication here, he does call himself “Son of Man” though, definately not a G-d here. So now let's look at your verse: Mat 26:64  Yeshua HaMoshiach (Jesus) saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Well, after seeing the other verses we see that Yeshua HaMoshiach is sitting at te right hand of 'elohim (G-d). Therefore (“on the right hand of power = on the right hand of 'elohim/G-d”). Pretty simple.

Con

And your point is?

Jesus has “all authority and power” and infact has not yet subjected himself or the kingdom to the Father untill all things are subjected to him, Jesus!

Matt 28:19 1 Cor 15:24

This means he is equal to God!

But you unbelieving Arians seem to not believe that he has “all power” but that he is a mere “worm” of a man who has a measure of that power!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,03:47)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,00:19) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,18:45) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,13:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,16:22) Hi WJ, Jesus said the Father was the one the Jews called God.[Jn8.54] Is that God of Jesus[jn20.17] and the jews not yet your God? NH The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either. WJ What a farce of a statement, you sure are anti-semetic. Many Jews knew 'elohim, and many Jews know 'elohim, many followed the grace through the law and many found grace without the law. Now some Jews disobeyed him, and some do not accept him, but by know means can you use a blanket statement “The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either.” You think Greco-Roman trinitarians are the only people on the earth that know 'Elohim and Yeshua HaMoshiach? That is probably the way you think isn't it? Sad Shalom Con, How very sad. B'Shem YHVH Ed J I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw his post, I am still having a hard grasping what he believes in that statement. Considering 'Elohim is the 'Elohim of all the Old Covenants as well the New Covenant to the Jews. I wonder if he is against being spiritually grafted in?

Con

You do not seem to believe much of anything but what you hear through the carnal mind. You seem to shut your ears to any post by any Trinitarian and this is why you get our words wrong and make false assumptions like you just did.

If you open your eyes and ears and read what is being said, the truth may sink in!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 17 2009,16:37)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,08:30) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,03:19) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,18:45) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,13:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,16:22) Hi WJ, Jesus said the Father was the one the Jews called God.[Jn8.54] Is that God of Jesus[jn20.17] and the jews not yet your God? NH The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either. WJ What a farce of a statement, you sure are anti-semetic. Many Jews knew 'elohim, and many Jews know 'elohim, many followed the grace through the law and many found grace without the law. Now some Jews disobeyed him, and some do not accept him, but by know means can you use a blanket statement “The Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either.” You think Greco-Roman trinitarians are the only people on the earth that know 'Elohim and Yeshua HaMoshiach? That is probably the way you think isn't it? Sad Shalom Con, How very sad. B'Shem YHVH Ed J How sad that you make the same judgment? WJ Hi WJ, When someone is drunk and crashes into someone else killing someone. And somebody hears about is and says “how very sad”, is that a 'judgment' as well? Think before you type, what you wrote is incorrect and you know it! Ed J

Ok but if I hear about the Drunk killing someone my sadness is not for the drunk is it?

Before you agree with someone you should look to see what you are agreeing with.

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 15 2009,20:42)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 15 2009,10:20) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2009,17:20) hi all as i read is all agreeing that there is no trinity??? T You will not find many here who accept the whole council of God. But you will find that the majority that follow Jesus “The Way” are Trintarians. Open your eyes man! WJ WJ.   So the “majority” represents truth?

CO

So the majority cannot represent truth?

Or the minority represents truth?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,02:33)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,12:34) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2009,15:06) hi WJ and Mathew 26;64 Mat 26:64  Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. t Please tell me what “Right hand of Power” means? No indication of Jesus being less than the Father here, but because he is at the right hand of power he is equal in power! Matt 28:18, 19 WJ Quote No indication of Jesus being less than the Father here, but because he is at the right hand of power he is equal in power! Speculative and conjecture on your part.

Con

Not at all.

Does Jesus have “all authority and power” or not? Matt 28:18, 1 Cor 15:24

Is he below the Father or at his right hand? You are making the word of God of none effect by you own conjectures!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,02:35)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,12:42) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,15:37) Hi WJ, If you are at the right hand of God you are not that God are you? If I am at my natural Fathers right hand I am human aren't I? WJ It still doesn't make you your father. Again speculative and full of conjecture.

Con

Not at all.

You think “Theos” describes identity!

Your reasoning says that to say that you are human like your Father is to say that you are you Father.

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,02:38)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,12:55) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,15:43) Hi WJ, So you are your father's right hand man. But you are not your own father but somehow you think Jesus is?? No and Jesus is not the Father! Your point is? WJ His point is, showing trinitarian gasping at making the son a golden calf god, so people may worship him as another Greco-Roman god.

Con

And you are making the Son of God into a mere man and then calling him your “Only Lord and Master” Jude 4 when the scriptures clearly tell us not to trust in men, nor to serve two masters.

Either he is “The True God” or you commit Idolatry!

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,08:46)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 17 2009,16:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,08:30) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,03:19) Shalom Con, How very sad. B'Shem YHVH Ed J How sad that you make the same judgment? WJ Hi WJ, When someone is drunk and crashes into someone else killing someone. And somebody hears about is and says “how very sad”, is that a 'judgment' as well? Think before you type, what you wrote is incorrect and you know it! Ed J Ok but if I hear about the Drunk killing someone my sadness is not for the drunk is it? Before you agree with someone you should look to see what you are agreeing with. WJ

Hi WJ,

Yours may not be, but mine would be for all the injured
including the emotional scars the drunk will have to carry the rest of his life!

Mistakes are sometimes hard to erase; especially without an edit button!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
The usual dance steps?

Jesus was given all authority.
Was it given by a trinity god?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 17 2009,17:12)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,08:46) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 17 2009,16:37) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2009,08:30) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,03:19) Shalom Con, How very sad. B'Shem YHVH Ed J How sad that you make the same judgment? WJ Hi WJ, When someone is drunk and crashes into someone else killing someone. And somebody hears about is and says “how very sad”, is that a 'judgment' as well? Think before you type, what you wrote is incorrect and you know it! Ed J Ok but if I hear about the Drunk killing someone my sadness is not for the drunk is it? Before you agree with someone you should look to see what you are agreeing with. WJ Hi WJ, Yours may not be, but mine would be for all the injured including the emotional scars the drunk will have to carry the rest of his life! Mistakes are sometimes hard to erase; especially without an edit button! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

How would you feel if it was your own child that died?

WJ

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