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Hi,
This man had a library and in it kept an original copy of Matthew's gospel he says, in which Matt 28.19 read “in my name”. However is was all destroyed by a Roman Emperor.tim4 produced this research about him.
“Eusebius of Caesarea, to whom we are indebted for the preservation of so many contemporary works of antiquity, many of which must have perished had he not collected and edited them” (Robert Roberts, Good Company, vol. III, page 10).
“Eusebius, the greatest Greek teacher of the Church and most learned theologian of his time… worked untiringly for the acceptance of the pure word of the New Testament as it came from the Apostles. Eusebius…relies throughout only upon ancient manuscripts, and always openly confesses the truth when he cannot find sufficient testimony” (E. K. in the Christadelphian Monatshefte, Aug 1923; Fraternal Visitor, June 1924).
“Eusebius Pamphilius, Bishop of Caesarea in Palestine, a man of vast reading and erudition, and one who has acquired immortal fame by his labors in ecclesiastical history, and in other branches of theological learning.” Ch. ii, 9… till about 40 years of age he lived in great intimacy with the martyr Pamphilius, a learned and devout man of Caesarea, and founder of an extensive library there, from which Eusebius derived his vast store of learning. Eusebius was an impartial historian, and had access to the best helps for composing a correct history which his age afforded” (J. L. Mosheim, editorial footnote).
“Eusebius, to whose zeal we owe most of what is known of the history of the New Testament” (Dr. Westcott, General Survey of the History of the Canon of the New Testament, page 108).
“The most important writer in the first quarter of the fourth century was Eusebius of Caesarea. Eusebius was a man of little originality or independent judgement. But he was widely read in the Greek Christian literature of the second and third centuries, the bulk of which has now irretrievably perished, and subsequent ages owe a deep debt to his honest, if somewhat confused, and at time not a little prejudice, erudition” (Peake's Bible Commentary, 1929,page 596).
“Some hundred works, several of them very lengthy, are either directly cited or referred to as read (by Eusebius). In many instances he would read an entire treatise for the sake of one or two historical notices, and must have searched many others without finding anything to serve his purpose… Under the second head the most vital question if the sincerity of Eusebius. Did he tamper with his material or not? The sarcasm of GIBBON (Decline and Fall, c. xvi) is well known… the passages to which Gibbon refers do not bear out his imputation…Eusebius contents himself with condemning these sins… in general terms, without entering into details…but it leaves no imputation on his honesty” (Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature).
“Eusebius was an impartial historian, and had access to the best helps for composing a correct history which his age afforded.” (J. L. Mosheim: an editoral note).
“Of the patristic witnesses to the text of the New Testament as it stood in the Greek MSS, from about 300-340, none is so important as Eusebius of Caesarea, for he lived in the greatest Christian library of that age, that namely which Origen and Pamphilus had collected. It is no exaggeration to say that from this single collection of manuscripts at Caesarea derives the larger part of the surviving ante-Nicene literature. In his library, Eusebius must have habitually handled codices of the Gospels older by two hundred years than the earliest of the great uncials that we have now in our libraries” (The Hibbert Journal, October., 1902).May 9, 2007 at 10:29 pm#51810NickHassanParticipantCont.
From Jesus Messiah fellowshiphttp://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/matthew2819.html
May 27, 2007 at 11:56 pm#53754NickHassanParticipantHi,
I have pasted a post relevant to this subject from Tim4
“Hi Tim2,You said “But I do know that Eusebius was a heretic who was opposed by Athanasius. “
Really? Here is what other people have said about Eusebius:“Eusebius of Caesarea, to whom we are indebted for the preservation of so many contemporary works of antiquity, many of which must have perished had he not collected and edited them” (Robert Roberts, Good Company, vol. III, page 10).
“Eusebius, the greatest Greek teacher of the Church and most learned theologian of his time… worked untiringly for the acceptance of the pure word of the New Testament as it came from the Apostles. Eusebius…relies throughout only upon ancient manuscripts, and always openly confesses the truth when he cannot find sufficient testimony” (E. K. in the Christadelphian Monatshefte, Aug 1923; Fraternal Visitor, June 1924).
“Eusebius Pamphilius, Bishop of Caesarea in Palestine, a man of vast reading and erudition, and one who has acquired immortal fame by his labors in ecclesiastical history, and in other branches of theological learning.” Ch. ii, 9… till about 40 years of age he lived in great intimacy with the martyr Pamphilius, a learned and devout man of Caesarea, and founder of an extensive library there, from which Eusebius derived his vast store of learning. Eusebius was an impartial historian, and had access to the best helps for composing a correct history which his age afforded” (J. L. Mosheim, editorial footnote).
“Eusebius, to whose zeal we owe most of what is known of the history of the New Testament” (Dr. Westcott, General Survey of the History of the Canon of the New Testament, page 108).
“The most important writer in the first quarter of the fourth century was Eusebius of Caesarea. Eusebius was a man of little originality or independent judgement. But he was widely read in the Greek Christian literature of the second and third centuries, the bulk of which has now irretrievably perished, and subsequent ages owe a deep debt to his honest, if somewhat confused, and at time not a little prejudice, erudition” (Peake's Bible Commentary, 1929,page 596).
“Some hundred works, several of them very lengthy, are either directly cited or referred to as read (by Eusebius). In many instances he would read an entire treatise for the sake of one or two historical notices, and must have searched many others without finding anything to serve his purpose… Under the second head the most vital question if the sincerity of Eusebius. Did he tamper with his material or not? The sarcasm of GIBBON (Decline and Fall, c. xvi) is well known… the passages to which Gibbon refers do not bear out his imputation…Eusebius contents himself with condemning these sins… in general terms, without entering into details…but it leaves no imputation on his honesty” (Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature).
“Eusebius was an impartial historian, and had access to the best helps for composing a correct history which his age afforded.” (J. L. Mosheim: an editoral note).
“Of the patristic witnesses to the text of the New Testament as it stood in the Greek MSS, from about 300-340, none is so important as Eusebius of Caesarea, for he lived in the greatest Christian library of that age, that namely which Origen and Pamphilus had collected. It is no exaggeration to say that from this single collection of manuscripts at Caesarea derives the larger part of the surviving ante-Nicene literature. In his library, Eusebius must have habitually handled codices of the Gospels older by two hundred years than the earliest of the great uncials that we have now in our libraries” (The Hibbert Journal, October., 1902).Tim
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June 26, 2009 at 9:24 pm#134889Worshipping JesusParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2007,18:06) Hi,
This man had a library and in it kept an original copy of Matthew's gospel he says, in which Matt 28.19 read “in my name”. However is was all destroyed by a Roman Emperor.tim4 produced this research about him.
“Eusebius of Caesarea, to whom we are indebted for the preservation of so many contemporary works of antiquity, many of which must have perished had he not collected and edited them” (Robert Roberts, Good Company, vol. III, page 10).
“Eusebius, the greatest Greek teacher of the Church and most learned theologian of his time… worked untiringly for the acceptance of the pure word of the New Testament as it came from the Apostles. Eusebius…relies throughout only upon ancient manuscripts, and always openly confesses the truth when he cannot find sufficient testimony” (E. K. in the Christadelphian Monatshefte, Aug 1923; Fraternal Visitor, June 1924).
“Eusebius Pamphilius, Bishop of Caesarea in Palestine, a man of vast reading and erudition, and one who has acquired immortal fame by his labors in ecclesiastical history, and in other branches of theological learning.” Ch. ii, 9… till about 40 years of age he lived in great intimacy with the martyr Pamphilius, a learned and devout man of Caesarea, and founder of an extensive library there, from which Eusebius derived his vast store of learning. Eusebius was an impartial historian, and had access to the best helps for composing a correct history which his age afforded” (J. L. Mosheim, editorial footnote).
“Eusebius, to whose zeal we owe most of what is known of the history of the New Testament” (Dr. Westcott, General Survey of the History of the Canon of the New Testament, page 108).
“The most important writer in the first quarter of the fourth century was Eusebius of Caesarea. Eusebius was a man of little originality or independent judgement. But he was widely read in the Greek Christian literature of the second and third centuries, the bulk of which has now irretrievably perished, and subsequent ages owe a deep debt to his honest, if somewhat confused, and at time not a little prejudice, erudition” (Peake's Bible Commentary, 1929,page 596).
“Some hundred works, several of them very lengthy, are either directly cited or referred to as read (by Eusebius). In many instances he would read an entire treatise for the sake of one or two historical notices, and must have searched many others without finding anything to serve his purpose… Under the second head the most vital question if the sincerity of Eusebius. Did he tamper with his material or not? The sarcasm of GIBBON (Decline and Fall, c. xvi) is well known… the passages to which Gibbon refers do not bear out his imputation…Eusebius contents himself with condemning these sins… in general terms, without entering into details…but it leaves no imputation on his honesty” (Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature).
“Eusebius was an impartial historian, and had access to the best helps for composing a correct history which his age afforded.” (J. L. Mosheim: an editoral note).
“Of the patristic witnesses to the text of the New Testament as it stood in the Greek MSS, from about 300-340, none is so important as Eusebius of Caesarea, for he lived in the greatest Christian library of that age, that namely which Origen and Pamphilus had collected. It is no exaggeration to say that from this single collection of manuscripts at Caesarea derives the larger part of the surviving ante-Nicene literature. In his library, Eusebius must have habitually handled codices of the Gospels older by two hundred years than the earliest of the great uncials that we have now in our libraries” (The Hibbert Journal, October., 1902).
Hi NHAn original copy is not an original.
Why would you believe a copy that does not exist over the 10,000 copies that do exist that have Matt 28:19?
WJ
June 26, 2009 at 9:32 pm#134892NickHassanParticipantHi WJ,
You do have to choose whether texts from 300 ad are more reliable or not than the ones on your shelf.
But you should not ignore such evidence.June 27, 2009 at 5:19 am#134929bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2007,10:06) Hi,
This man had a library and in it kept an original copy of Matthew's gospel he says, in which Matt 28.19 read “in my name”. However is was all destroyed by a Roman Emperor.tim4 produced this research about him.
“Eusebius of Caesarea, to whom we are indebted for the preservation of so many contemporary works of antiquity, many of which must have perished had he not collected and edited them” (Robert Roberts, Good Company, vol. III, page 10).
“Eusebius, the greatest Greek teacher of the Church and most learned theologian of his time… worked untiringly for the acceptance of the pure word of the New Testament as it came from the Apostles. Eusebius…relies throughout only upon ancient manuscripts, and always openly confesses the truth when he cannot find sufficient testimony” (E. K. in the Christadelphian Monatshefte, Aug 1923; Fraternal Visitor, June 1924).
“Eusebius Pamphilius, Bishop of Caesarea in Palestine, a man of vast reading and erudition, and one who has acquired immortal fame by his labors in ecclesiastical history, and in other branches of theological learning.” Ch. ii, 9… till about 40 years of age he lived in great intimacy with the martyr Pamphilius, a learned and devout man of Caesarea, and founder of an extensive library there, from which Eusebius derived his vast store of learning. Eusebius was an impartial historian, and had access to the best helps for composing a correct history which his age afforded” (J. L. Mosheim, editorial footnote).
“Eusebius, to whose zeal we owe most of what is known of the history of the New Testament” (Dr. Westcott, General Survey of the History of the Canon of the New Testament, page 108).
“The most important writer in the first quarter of the fourth century was Eusebius of Caesarea. Eusebius was a man of little originality or independent judgement. But he was widely read in the Greek Christian literature of the second and third centuries, the bulk of which has now irretrievably perished, and subsequent ages owe a deep debt to his honest, if somewhat confused, and at time not a little prejudice, erudition” (Peake's Bible Commentary, 1929,page 596).
“Some hundred works, several of them very lengthy, are either directly cited or referred to as read (by Eusebius). In many instances he would read an entire treatise for the sake of one or two historical notices, and must have searched many others without finding anything to serve his purpose… Under the second head the most vital question if the sincerity of Eusebius. Did he tamper with his material or not? The sarcasm of GIBBON (Decline and Fall, c. xvi) is well known… the passages to which Gibbon refers do not bear out his imputation…Eusebius contents himself with condemning these sins… in general terms, without entering into details…but it leaves no imputation on his honesty” (Dictionary of Christian Biography and Literature).
“Eusebius was an impartial historian, and had access to the best helps for composing a correct history which his age afforded.” (J. L. Mosheim: an editoral note).
“Of the patristic witnesses to the text of the New Testament as it stood in the Greek MSS, from about 300-340, none is so important as Eusebius of Caesarea, for he lived in the greatest Christian library of that age, that namely which Origen and Pamphilus had collected. It is no exaggeration to say that from this single collection of manuscripts at Caesarea derives the larger part of the surviving ante-Nicene literature. In his library, Eusebius must have habitually handled codices of the Gospels older by two hundred years than the earliest of the great uncials that we have now in our libraries” (The Hibbert Journal, October., 1902).
The Quran had 1400 years ago stated that the bible had been corrupted but you refuse to believe the word of God.You would rather insist you are making your own discoveries even though you could have known these thing sfrom a simple reading of The Glorious Quran.
Are you being a hypocrite claiming that the bible is enough and yet trying to find fault with it?
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