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Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2010,13:23) Pierre,
What I said does not oppose scripture.Do you think that God and angels have the same nature?
If you think that 'spirit' represents nature, then you have to say that God and angels all have the same nature and that is not to be found true.
Kathion earth we have human flesh,animal flesh,birth flesh,fish flesh,insect flesh ,ect.
in heaven i believe it most be similar even among spirit they are differences,
all is as per Gods creation,
but you try to make something that is not there,just in your brain.
Pierre
Pierre,
Flesh is a body type in which there are several types, i.e. animal flesh, human flesh, etc.
Spirit is a body type in which there are different types, i.e. God, angels.
Flesh is only a nature of the vessel, not the nature of the person/thing within the vessel.
We have a human nature within a flesh vessel.
God has a divine nature within a spirit vessel, whatever that spirit vessel is exactly is up for debate.Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2010,16:04) Pierre,
Flesh is a body type in which there are several types, i.e. animal flesh, human flesh, etc.
Spirit is a body type in which there are different types, i.e. God, angels.
Flesh is only a nature of the vessel, not the nature of the person/thing within the vessel.
We have a human nature within a flesh vessel.
God has a divine nature within a spirit vessel, whatever that spirit vessel is exactly is up for debate.
Kathiin heaven there is only one rule LOVE,and God is LOVE
so the nature or character is LOVE
but what is that LOVE??
Pierre
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2010,16:04) Pierre,
Flesh is a body type in which there are several types, i.e. animal flesh, human flesh, etc.
Spirit is a body type in which there are different types, i.e. God, angels.
Flesh is only a nature of the vessel, not the nature of the person/thing within the vessel.
We have a human nature within a flesh vessel.
God has a divine nature within a spirit vessel, whatever that spirit vessel is exactly is up for debate.
Kathilook here,you see all the different characters??
Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.”Pierre
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,12:04) I do not agree with you Georg. I do not think that the nature of God is spirit. The nature of God is much more. If His nature was spirit then the angels and God would have the same nature. The nature of God is a divine nature (See 2 Pet 1:4 which you put up in your post above.) 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the “”divine nature””, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
The nature of angels is angelic nature.
The nature of men is human nature.
Hi Kathi…..please allow me to stick my two cents in…..Thank you in advance….The nature of the eternal God is love…his essense is spirit….The perfection which consists of his omnipitence and omniscience speaks to his divinety….i can't help but feel that the word ,who is with God and is God and became flesh and lived among us also shares this office…and has from the beginning..Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,12:04) I do not agree with you Georg. I do not think that the nature of God is spirit. The nature of God is much more. If His nature was spirit then the angels and God would have the same nature. The nature of God is a divine nature (See 2 Pet 1:4 which you put up in your post above.) 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the “”divine nature””, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
The nature of angels is angelic nature.
The nature of men is human nature.
KathiPierre has answered you correctly, now let me add to that what Paul said about natures, bodies.
1Cr 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
from the “Random House Dictionary”;
Celestial = pertaining to the spiritual or invisiable heaven.Do you know why Paul referred to the human mind as spirit, 1 Cor. 2:11? because it is the only invisible part of man.
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
If angels are not “spirit” bodies, then what is an “angelic” body?
“Divine” is the highest level of existing, it means, immortality, self existing, death is impossible.
God “gave” Jesus divinity.Georg
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,12:12) Georg, you said
Quote
“””The only begotten God. John 1:18″”” This is not how it is written.
Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.You have to do some more studying because it is translated as God in some Bibles and the word, 'son' does not appear in the original language in the earliest manuscripts. You might read the NET notes on this verse. It explains that the word should not be 'son' but God/god.
Look at these translations and you will not see the word 'son' anywhere.
New International Version (©1984)
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
New Living Translation (©2007)
No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.English Standard Version (©2001)
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.International Standard Version (©2008)
No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him.You never seem to acknowledge that Georg. Of course I believe that the NASB has it right and that word 'monogenes' which is the Greek word for 'only begotten' has been discussed in several topics.
KathiYou should pay more attention to what God says in his word, and less attention to what “man” says; understanding comes from God, not from man.
Georg
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2010,18:04) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2010,16:04) Pierre,
Flesh is a body type in which there are several types, i.e. animal flesh, human flesh, etc.
Spirit is a body type in which there are different types, i.e. God, angels.
Flesh is only a nature of the vessel, not the nature of the person/thing within the vessel.
We have a human nature within a flesh vessel.
God has a divine nature within a spirit vessel, whatever that spirit vessel is exactly is up for debate.
Kathiin heaven there is only one rule LOVE,and God is LOVE
so the nature or character is LOVE
but what is that LOVE??
Pierre
Hi Pierre,
I guess it is a game of semantics but I see the divine nature as bigger than love although love is certainly a fruit of the divine nature.Quote (Baker @ Dec. 02 2010,18:48) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,12:12) Georg, you said
Quote
“””The only begotten God. John 1:18″”” This is not how it is written.
Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.You have to do some more studying because it is translated as God in some Bibles and the word, 'son' does not appear in the original language in the earliest manuscripts. You might read the NET notes on this verse. It explains that the word should not be 'son' but God/god.
Look at these translations and you will not see the word 'son' anywhere.
New International Version (©1984)
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
New Living Translation (©2007)
No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.English Standard Version (©2001)
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.International Standard Version (©2008)
No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him.You never seem to acknowledge that Georg. Of course I believe that the NASB has it right and that word 'monogenes' which is the Greek word for 'only begotten' has been discussed in several topics.
KathiYou should pay more attention to what God says in his word, and less attention to what “man” says; understanding comes from God, not from man.
Georg
Hi Georg,Quote You should pay more attention to what God says in his word, and less attention to what “man” says; understanding comes from God, not from man. What makes you think that my understanding on John 1:18 didn't come from God? Also, aren't you a man and you are trying to give me understanding?
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 02 2010,18:46) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,12:04) I do not agree with you Georg. I do not think that the nature of God is spirit. The nature of God is much more. If His nature was spirit then the angels and God would have the same nature. The nature of God is a divine nature (See 2 Pet 1:4 which you put up in your post above.) 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the “”divine nature””, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
The nature of angels is angelic nature.
The nature of men is human nature.
KathiPierre has answered you correctly, now let me add to that what Paul said about natures, bodies.
1Cr 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
from the “Random House Dictionary”;
Celestial = pertaining to the spiritual or invisiable heaven.Do you know why Paul referred to the human mind as spirit, 1 Cor. 2:11? because it is the only invisible part of man.
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
If angels are not “spirit” bodies, then what is an “angelic” body?
“Divine” is the highest level of existing, it means, immortality, self existing, death is impossible.
God “gave” Jesus divinity.Georg
Hi Georg,
Like I said to Pierre, love is a fruit of the divine nature, not the nature itself.Quote 1Cr 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. This is not talking about the inner nature but the bodies.
Quote 1 Cor 2:10-11
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
NASUWhat God showed me about this passage is different than you think.
you said:
Quote Do you know why Paul referred to the human mind as spirit, 1 Cor. 2:11? because it is the only invisible part of man. Paul was not referring to the human mind as spirit. He mentioned that it was the spirit within us that searches the mind to know what was in the mind.
Quote 1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. If angels are not “spirit” bodies, then what is an “angelic” body?
I don't disagree with you that 'spirit' is a type of body as one of the definitions. I don't think that 'spirit' is a nature of a kind of being but a body type of heavenly beings. Spirit is also that which dwells within us and the Father and Son. It has different meanings dependent on the context.
Angels have spirit bodies with angelic nature.
God has a spirit body with divine nature.Quote “Divine” is the highest level of existing, it means, immortality, self existing, death is impossible.
God “gave” Jesus divinity.So Jesus is self-existing, I agree in regards to His eternal essence but no one gave Him His essence or it wouldn't be self-existing. Jesus's body of flesh died but not His divinity.
So, Georg, with all due respect, I disagree with you here.
Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 02 2010,18:18) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,12:04) I do not agree with you Georg. I do not think that the nature of God is spirit. The nature of God is much more. If His nature was spirit then the angels and God would have the same nature. The nature of God is a divine nature (See 2 Pet 1:4 which you put up in your post above.) 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the “”divine nature””, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
The nature of angels is angelic nature.
The nature of men is human nature.
Hi Kathi…..please allow me to stick my two cents in…..Thank you in advance….The nature of the eternal God is love…his essense is spirit….The perfection which consists of his omnipitence and omniscience speaks to his divinety….i can't help but feel that the word ,who is with God and is God and became flesh and lived among us also shares this office…and has from the beginning..
Hi Ted,
Your two cents are always welcome. Our 'two cents' differ here. Let me explain. If the nature of God is 'love' then does He also have another nature that is 'joy', and another that is 'peace' and another nature that is 'patience,' etc. Do you see what I mean. Love, as well as joy, peace, patience, etc. are fruits of the Spirit, not the nature of God but the fruits that result from having a divine nature like He has.If His essence is 'spirit' then the angels also have the essence of God? Where is that in scripture? The Bible tells us that the Son is the exact representation of the essence/nature of God. Hebrews 1:3 Essence and nature are the same thing as I understand it.
Here is Hebrews 1:3 NASB
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
The word 'nature' in Greek is 'hupostasis' which means:
Strong's #5287: hupostasis (pronounced hoop-os'-tas-is)
from a compound of 5259 and 2476; a setting under (support), i.e. (figuratively) concretely, essence, or abstractly, assurance (objectively or subjectively):–confidence, confident, person, substance.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
hupostasis1) a setting or placing under
1a) thing put under, substructure, foundation
2) that which has foundation, is firm
2a) that which has actual existence
2a1) a substance, real being
2b) the substantial quality, nature, of a person or thing
2c) the steadfastness of mind, firmness, courage, resolution
2c1) confidence, firm trust, assurance
Part of Speech: noun feminine
Relation: from a compound of G5259 and G2476
Citing in TDNT: 8:572, 1237
Read more: <a href="http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G5287/hupostasis.htm#ixzz171ajOMpS” target=”_blank”>http://www.bibletools.org/index.c….I]I do agree that omnipotence and omnipresence, if there is such a thing, would only be possessed by God and all things the Father has, the Son/the Word, has also. I don't think that we will have these qualities when we become partakers of the divine nature, do you?
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2010,23:04) Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 02 2010,18:18) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,12:04) I do not agree with you Georg. I do not think that the nature of God is spirit. The nature of God is much more. If His nature was spirit then the angels and God would have the same nature. The nature of God is a divine nature (See 2 Pet 1:4 which you put up in your post above.) 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the “”divine nature””, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
The nature of angels is angelic nature.
The nature of men is human nature.
Hi Kathi…..please allow me to stick my two cents in…..Thank you in advance….The nature of the eternal God is love…his essense is spirit….The perfection which consists of his omnipitence and omniscience speaks to his divinety….i can't help but feel that the word ,who is with God and is God and became flesh and lived among us also shares this office…and has from the beginning..
Hi Ted,
Your two cents are always welcome. Our 'two cents' differ here. Let me explain. If the nature of God is 'love' then does He also have another nature that is 'joy', and another that is 'peace' and another nature that is 'patience,' etc. Do you see what I mean. Love, as well as joy, peace, patience, etc. are fruits of the Spirit, not the nature of God but the fruits that result from having a divine nature like He has.If His essence is 'spirit' then the angels also have the essence of God? Where is that in scripture? The Bible tells us that the Son is the exact representation of the essence/nature of God. Hebrews 1:3 Essence and nature are the same thing as I understand it.
Here is Hebrews 1:3 NASB
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
The word 'nature' in Greek is 'hupostasis' which means:
Strong's #5287: hupostasis (pronounced hoop-os'-tas-is)
from a compound of 5259 and 2476; a setting under (support), i.e. (figuratively) concretely, essence, or abstractly, assurance (objectively or subjectively):–confidence, confident, person, substance.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
hupostasis1) a setting or placing under
1a) thing put under, substructure, foundation
2) that which has foundation, is firm
2a) that which has actual existence
2a1) a substance, real being
2b) the substantial quality, nature, of a person or thing
2c) the steadfastness of mind, firmness, courage, resolution
2c1) confidence, firm trust, assurance
Part of Speech: noun feminine
Relation: from a compound of G5259 and G2476
Citing in TDNT: 8:572, 1237
Read more: ]http://www.bibletools.org/index.c….I]I do agree that omnipotence and omnipresence, if there is such a thing, would only be possessed by God and all things the Father has, the Son/the Word, has also. I don't think that we will have these qualities when we become partakers of the divine nature, do you?
Kathiyou never answer the question what is the Love of God and so the Nature of God???
Pierre
Kathi
sorry I have just seen your answer on what God rule and nature is;Hi Georg,
Like I said to Pierre, love is a fruit of the divine nature, not the nature itself.SO THE LOVE OF GOD IS A FRUIT OF WHAT???
YOU SAY “OF THE DIVINE NATURE” BUT KATHI ,GOD IS LOVE;WERE DO YOU GET ALL THOSE IDEAS???scriptures do not say that God has LOVE but is LOVE.SO COULD EXPLAIN IT PLEASE???
think on those scriptures;Mk 12:30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength
Jn 8:42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God
Lk 16:13 “No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.
Ro 12:9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Ro 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
1Co 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth1Co 16:22 If anyone does not love the Lord—a curse be on him
2Co 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with youto grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ,
Eph 3:19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.
for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God2Jn 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands
Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life1Jn 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
1Jn 4:16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.Pierre
Pierre
Kathi! The nature of God, what is He?
Is He not divine? Is He not immortal?? He is Spirit and always was Spirit. Since He is divine He could never come and die for us. While even tho Jesus was a Spirit being, He was not divine. But now He is… Jehovah God is Love, Love is an essence like Hope. Peace etc. When I say I love you, what is that. That is not my nature!!!!! My nature is Human…Peace IreneQuote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2010,16:04) Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 02 2010,18:18) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,12:04) I do not agree with you Georg. I do not think that the nature of God is spirit. The nature of God is much more. If His nature was spirit then the angels and God would have the same nature. The nature of God is a divine nature (See 2 Pet 1:4 which you put up in your post above.) 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the “”divine nature””, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
The nature of angels is angelic nature.
The nature of men is human nature.
Hi Kathi…..please allow me to stick my two cents in…..Thank you in advance….The nature of the eternal God is love…his essense is spirit….The perfection which consists of his omnipitence and omniscience speaks to his divinety….i can't help but feel that the word ,who is with God and is God and became flesh and lived among us also shares this office…and has from the beginning..
Hi Ted,
Your two cents are always welcome. Our 'two cents' differ here. Let me explain. If the nature of God is 'love' then does He also have another nature that is 'joy', and another that is 'peace' and another nature that is 'patience,' etc. Do you see what I mean. Love, as well as joy, peace, patience, etc. are fruits of the Spirit, not the nature of God but the fruits that result from having a divine nature like He has.If His essence is 'spirit' then the angels also have the essence of God? Where is that in scripture? The Bible tells us that the Son is the exact representation of the essence/nature of God. Hebrews 1:3 Essence and nature are the same thing as I understand it.
Here is Hebrews 1:3 NASB
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
The word 'nature' in Greek is 'hupostasis' which means:
Strong's #5287: hupostasis (pronounced hoop-os'-tas-is)
from a compound of 5259 and 2476; a setting under (support), i.e. (figuratively) concretely, essence, or abstractly, assurance (objectively or subjectively):–confidence, confident, person, substance.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
hupostasis1) a setting or placing under
1a) thing put under, substructure, foundation
2) that which has foundation, is firm
2a) that which has actual existence
2a1) a substance, real being
2b) the substantial quality, nature, of a person or thing
2c) the steadfastness of mind, firmness, courage, resolution
2c1) confidence, firm trust, assurance
Part of Speech: noun feminine
Relation: from a compound of G5259 and G2476
Citing in TDNT: 8:572, 1237
Read more: ]http://www.bibletools.org/index.c….I]I do agree that omnipotence and omnipresence, if there is such a thing, would only be possessed by God and all things the Father has, the Son/the Word, has also. I don't think that we will have these qualities when we become partakers of the divine nature, do you?
Greetings Kathi…… Your question is an age old one that I can only answer with, as of now, Iam not sure to what extent we will share,but ,Iam sure that that threre is only one as the eternal….I would think that there is nothing greater than Love and to have a nature that is Love would be the sum total of what you have described as the gifts of the spirit…(Whose spirit?)….The angels are spirit which describes their state of existance not the power and authority they may or may not have….Surely Michael and Gabrial are spirit beings with much more authority than the minions of other angels over which they preside….Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,23:15) Hi Georg, Quote You should pay more attention to what God says in his word, and less attention to what “man” says; understanding comes from God, not from man.
…Also, aren't you a man and you are trying to give me understanding?
touché WJ
Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 04 2010,00:17) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2010,16:04) Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 02 2010,18:18) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,12:04) I do not agree with you Georg. I do not think that the nature of God is spirit. The nature of God is much more. If His nature was spirit then the angels and God would have the same nature. The nature of God is a divine nature (See 2 Pet 1:4 which you put up in your post above.) 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the “”divine nature””, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
The nature of angels is angelic nature.
The nature of men is human nature.
Hi Kathi…..please allow me to stick my two cents in…..Thank you in advance….The nature of the eternal God is love…his essense is spirit….The perfection which consists of his omnipitence and omniscience speaks to his divinety….i can't help but feel that the word ,who is with God and is God and became flesh and lived among us also shares this office…and has from the beginning..
Hi Ted,
Your two cents are always welcome. Our 'two cents' differ here. Let me explain. If the nature of God is 'love' then does He also have another nature that is 'joy', and another that is 'peace' and another nature that is 'patience,' etc. Do you see what I mean. Love, as well as joy, peace, patience, etc. are fruits of the Spirit, not the nature of God but the fruits that result from having a divine nature like He has.If His essence is 'spirit' then the angels also have the essence of God? Where is that in scripture? The Bible tells us that the Son is the exact representation of the essence/nature of God. Hebrews 1:3 Essence and nature are the same thing as I understand it.
Here is Hebrews 1:3 NASB
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
The word 'nature' in Greek is 'hupostasis' which means:
Strong's #5287: hupostasis (pronounced hoop-os'-tas-is)
from a compound of 5259 and 2476; a setting under (support), i.e. (figuratively) concretely, essence, or abstractly, assurance (objectively or subjectively):–confidence, confident, person, substance.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
hupostasis1) a setting or placing under
1a) thing put under, substructure, foundation
2) that which has foundation, is firm
2a) that which has actual existence
2a1) a substance, real being
2b) the substantial quality, nature, of a person or thing
2c) the steadfastness of mind, firmness, courage, resolution
2c1) confidence, firm trust, assurance
Part of Speech: noun feminine
Relation: from a compound of G5259 and G2476
Citing in TDNT: 8:572, 1237
Read more: ]http://www.bibletools.org/index.c….I]I do agree that omnipotence and omnipresence, if there is such a thing, would only be possessed by God and all things the Father has, the Son/the Word, has also. I don't think that we will have these qualities when we become partakers of the divine nature, do you?
Greetings Kathi…… Your question is an age old one that I can only answer with, as of now, Iam not sure to what extent we will share,but ,Iam sure that that threre is only one as the eternal….I would think that there is nothing greater than Love and to have a nature that is Love would be the sum total of what you have described as the gifts of the spirit…(Whose spirit?)….The angels are spirit which describes their state of existance not the power and authority they may or may not have….Surely Michael and Gabrial are spirit beings with much more authority than the minions of other angels over which they preside….
Hi! What will we be one day? The elect will be Spirit beings, and so will be a multitude of Spirit beings that stand in front of God's Throne and worship Him day and night. They have washed their robes clean in the blood of the Lamb.Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
And then there are those that will inherit the earth. I think those are Human beings….
Peace IreneQuote (Baker @ Dec. 04 2010,11:23) Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 04 2010,00:17) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2010,16:04) Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 02 2010,18:18) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,12:04) I do not agree with you Georg. I do not think that the nature of God is spirit. The nature of God is much more. If His nature was spirit then the angels and God would have the same nature. The nature of God is a divine nature (See 2 Pet 1:4 which you put up in your post above.) 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the “”divine nature””, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
The nature of angels is angelic nature.
The nature of men is human nature.
Hi Kathi…..please allow me to stick my two cents in…..Thank you in advance….The nature of the eternal God is love…his essense is spirit….The perfection which consists of his omnipitence and omniscience speaks to his divinety….i can't help but feel that the word ,who is with God and is God and became flesh and lived among us also shares this office…and has from the beginning..
Hi Ted,
Your two cents are always welcome. Our 'two cents' differ here. Let me explain. If the nature of God is 'love' then does He also have another nature that is 'joy', and another that is 'peace' and another nature that is 'patience,' etc. Do you see what I mean. Love, as well as joy, peace, patience, etc. are fruits of the Spirit, not the nature of God but the fruits that result from having a divine nature like He has.If His essence is 'spirit' then the angels also have the essence of God? Where is that in scripture? The Bible tells us that the Son is the exact representation of the essence/nature of God. Hebrews 1:3 Essence and nature are the same thing as I understand it.
Here is Hebrews 1:3 NASB
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
The word 'nature' in Greek is 'hupostasis' which means:
Strong's #5287: hupostasis (pronounced hoop-os'-tas-is)
from a compound of 5259 and 2476; a setting under (support), i.e. (figuratively) concretely, essence, or abstractly, assurance (objectively or subjectively):–confidence, confident, person, substance.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
hupostasis1) a setting or placing under
1a) thing put under, substructure, foundation
2) that which has foundation, is firm
2a) that which has actual existence
2a1) a substance, real being
2b) the substantial quality, nature, of a person or thing
2c) the steadfastness of mind, firmness, courage, resolution
2c1) confidence, firm trust, assurance
Part of Speech: noun feminine
Relation: from a compound of G5259 and G2476
Citing in TDNT: 8:572, 1237
Read more: ]http://www.bibletools.org/index.c….I]I do agree that omnipotence and omnipresence, if there is such a thing, would only be possessed by God and all things the Father has, the Son/the Word, has also. I don't think that we will have these qualities when we become partakers of the divine nature, do you?
Greetings Kathi…… Your question is an age old one that I can only answer with, as of now, Iam not sure to what extent we will share,but ,Iam sure that that threre is only one as the eternal….I would think that there is nothing greater than Love and to have a nature that is Love would be the sum total of what you have described as the gifts of the spirit…(Whose spirit?)….The angels are spirit which describes their state of existance not the power and authority they may or may not have….Surely Michael and Gabrial are spirit beings with much more authority than the minions of other angels over which they preside….
Hi! What will we be one day? The elect will be Spirit beings, and so will be a multitude of Spirit beings that stand in front of God's Throne and worship Him day and night. They have washed their robes clean in the blood of the Lamb.Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
And then there are those that will inherit the earth. I think those are Human beings….
Peace Irene
IrenePs 99:5 Exalt the LORD our God
and worship at his footstool;
he is holy.
Ps 110:1 The LORD says to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”
Ps 132:7 “Let us go to his dwelling place;
let us worship at his footstool—Isa 66:1 This is what the LORD says:
“Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them
Pierre
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2010,15:15) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 02 2010,18:48) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,12:12) Georg, you said
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“””The only begotten God. John 1:18″”” This is not how it is written.
Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.You have to do some more studying because it is translated as God in some Bibles and the word, 'son' does not appear in the original language in the earliest manuscripts. You might read the NET notes on this verse. It explains that the word should not be 'son' but God/god.
Look at these translations and you will not see the word 'son' anywhere.
New International Version (©1984)
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
New Living Translation (©2007)
No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.English Standard Version (©2001)
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.International Standard Version (©2008)
No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him.You never seem to acknowledge that Georg. Of course I believe that the NASB has it right and that word 'monogenes' which is the Greek word for 'only begotten' has been discussed in several topics.
KathiYou should pay more attention to what God says in his word, and less attention to what “man” says; understanding comes from God, not from man.
Georg
Hi Georg,Quote You should pay more attention to what God says in his word, and less attention to what “man” says; understanding comes from God, not from man. What makes you think that my understanding on John 1:18 didn't come from God? Also, aren't you a man and you are trying to give me understanding?
When God gives you understanding, you don't need the “other” translations. I know Jesus is “a god”, a mighty one; the “only begotten” of the Father. Is it not true that you have problem with that word, “begotten”?Georg
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 04 2010,09:19) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2010,23:15) Hi Georg, Quote You should pay more attention to what God says in his word, and less attention to what “man” says; understanding comes from God, not from man.
…Also, aren't you a man and you are trying to give me understanding? touché WJ
WJ and Kathiyou guys do not need anyone understanding ,you are well established in your own,no scriptures needed.words yes;
the only direction you know is your own,we all know that much.
Pierre
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