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I think we all can agree that “one Lord” would be Jesus. On to “one faith”.
Why does Paul say there is only one Faith? I have heard people ask someone what were their faith, meaning what did they believe.
That person would say, Baptist or Full Gospel etc. like your belief is your faith. That would be more like what is your persuasion.942767 said faith is the Word. My quote was,
Quote The bible says that faith comes by hearing the Word, so I would hardly believe the Word is Faith. It produces Faith.
People have faith in all kinds of things besides religion.Paul said “one faith” after he said “one Lord”, is there a connection here? If so what is that connection?
I will next post what I believe about faith in part two and see if you agree.
Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 22 2012,08:47) Part one:
I think we all can agree that “one Lord” would be Jesus. On to “one faith”.
Why does Paul say there is only one Faith? I have heard people ask someone what were their faith, meaning what did they believe.
That person would say, Baptist or Full Gospel etc. like your belief is your faith. That would be more like what is your persuasion.942767 said faith is the Word. My quote was,
Quote The bible says that faith comes by hearing the Word, so I would hardly believe the Word is Faith. It produces Faith.
People have faith in all kinds of things besides religion.Paul said “one faith” after he said “one Lord”, is there a connection here? If so what is that connection?
I will next post what I believe about faith in part two and see if you agree.
942767 and Richtuner,There is but one God who is Yahweh and he speaks but one Teaching. Yahweh dwells in Jesus, who is the one Lord, through his Spirit and speaks his Teaching. Since there is one Teaching there is but one faith in that true Teaching even though there there are many teachings that men place their faith in
kerwin,
Quote There is but one God who is Yahweh and he speaks but one Teaching. Yahweh dwells in Jesus, who is the one Lord, through his Spirit and speaks his Teaching. Since there is one Teaching there is but one faith in that true Teaching even though there there are many teachings that men place their faith in I've noticed that many here think that “faith” is a teaching or belief.
Which might be thought of, but you can have faith in any teaching or anybody. The Scripture in Eph. says “one faith”.Jesus taught about the faith when he spoke about the peoples faith in His earthly walk.
Jesus said of the centurion in Matt. 8 he had great faith, told Peter he had little faith and asked why did he doubt. Faith can be measured from no faith to great faith.Rom. 10:17 says that faith comes by hearing the Word.
Heb. 11:1 says faith is substance and evidence. Evidently this substance and evidence of faith has come by hearing. But hearing what?
There are all kinds of voices out there speaking “so called truth”.
That will bring faith in that teaching, but is that one the “one” of Eph. 5:4?Is your faith the one in Eph. 5:4?
Read the story of Abraham in Romans 4 about his faith and he being persuaded and look at Paul in Rom. 8 how he was persuaded.
I find that faith is simply having such a deep confidence, (persuasion) in what you are taught and believe in, that you are willing to go to any distance to obey that Word or commandment from that teaching, even to death.
Still the question is, in Eph. 5:4 does this speak of my faith, of my teachings, or my beliefs?Because I believe these 3 things, Lord. Faith, Baptism in Eph. 5:4 connect I don't see this as mine or yours.
My faith in Jesus saves me, but is this the “one” faith?.
Had it not been for Jesus faith, we would not have faith for redemption or the atonement of our spirit, soul, and body.
Had it not been for Jesus faith in God to believe that He would raise Him up from the dead, and that His sacrifice was for all mankind, He was the Lamb of God of slain for sinners, He was the fulfillment of scriptures and the fulfillment of all the feast etc. we would have faith, but in false gods and false ways.It was Jesus faith that is the “one faith”, for had it not been for His faith we would not have salvation.
It is He that is the “one Lord and His, (one) faith”Now some thought and then we can look at the “one baptism”
Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 22 2012,21:41) kerwin, Quote There is but one God who is Yahweh and he speaks but one Teaching. Yahweh dwells in Jesus, who is the one Lord, through his Spirit and speaks his Teaching. Since there is one Teaching there is but one faith in that true Teaching even though there there are many teachings that men place their faith in I've noticed that many here think that “faith” is a teaching or belief.
Which might be thought of, but you can have faith in any teaching or anybody. The Scripture in Eph. says “one faith”.Jesus taught about the faith when he spoke about the peoples faith in His earthly walk.
Jesus said of the centurion in Matt. 8 he had great faith, told Peter he had little faith and asked why did he doubt. Faith can be measured from no faith to great faith.Rom. 10:17 says that faith comes by hearing the Word.
Heb. 11:1 says faith is substance and evidence. Evidently this substance and evidence of faith has come by hearing. But hearing what?
There are all kinds of voices out there speaking “so called truth”.
That will bring faith in that teaching, but is that one the “one” of Eph. 5:4?Is your faith the one in Eph. 5:4?
Read the story of Abraham in Romans 4 about his faith and he being persuaded and look at Paul in Rom. 8 how he was persuaded.
I find that faith is simply having such a deep confidence, (persuasion) in what you are taught and believe in, that you are willing to go to any distance to obey that Word or commandment from that teaching, even to death.
Still the question is, in Eph. 5:4 does this speak of my faith, of my teachings, or my beliefs?Because I believe these 3 things, Lord. Faith, Baptism in Eph. 5:4 connect I don't see this as mine or yours.
My faith in Jesus saves me, but is this the “one” faith?.
Had it not been for Jesus faith, we would not have faith for redemption or the atonement of our spirit, soul, and body.
Had it not been for Jesus faith in God to believe that He would raise Him up from the dead, and that His sacrifice was for all mankind, He was the Lamb of God of slain for sinners, He was the fulfillment of scriptures and the fulfillment of all the feast etc. we would have faith, but in false gods and false ways.It was Jesus faith that is the “one faith”, for had it not been for His faith we would not have salvation.
It is He that is the “one Lord and His, (one) faith”Now some thought and then we can look at the “one baptism”
Eph 5:4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.study these scriptures carefully.
John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because YE DID EAT OF THE LOVES, and were filled.
THEY ONLY FOLLOWED JESUS TO FILL THEIR BELLY,NOT FOR HIS TEACHINGS.
John 6:27 LABOUR NOT for the MEAT WHICH PERISHETH, but FOR THAT MEAT which endureth unto everlasting life, WHICH THE SON OF MAN SHALL GIVE UNTO YOU:
*** FOR HIM HATH GOD THE FATHER*SEALED***ANYONE TRULY FEEDING ON THE WORD OF GOD;ARE THE ONES SEALED BY THE FATHER.FOR THESE ARE THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS.
MOST WORSHIP GOD FOR THEIR OWN BELLY ONLY,SUCH AS BLESSINGS, AND A BETTER LIFE.
I have moved this from the hot seat thread.
wakeup.
Richtuner,
Quote My faith in Jesus saves me, but is this the “one” faith?. You have already mentioned faith in the one Word of God; the same Word that Jesus also teaches. It is not possible have faith in Jesus and yet not in the Word he teaches. Those that truly have faith in Jesus will obey all of the Word he teaches because the fruit of that one faith is obedience.
The human who states he has faith in Jesus and yet does not do all that is in his Word, which is Yahweh's Word, is the same man that Yahweh declares worship's him with their mouth but his heart is far from him.
Faith in Jesus that is from the heart is a title of the one faith Paul speaks of to the Ephesians.
Wakeup, I'm not sure why you quoted what you did, because it has nothing to do with the scriptures and thoughts above.
kerwin,
Quote Faith in Jesus that is from the heart is a title of the one faith Paul speaks of to the Ephesians. We are not talking about faith in someone and their teaching. I do believe in the Words of Jesus and we are to believe and obey them, but we are looking at the statement “one faith”.
I thought the point is clear, Jesus faith in God brought salvation to mankind. Not your faith or mine. We have faith in Jesus who had faith in God to wrought salvation. If it was not for His faith , we would not have faith to be saved or delivered.
The “one faith” is not anything to do with us.One Lord, Jesus and one Faith, His faith………..
Before Jesus the Jews looked forward to God bringing a Saviour into the world. They had faith in the keeping of the feast and doing good works and they believed God, (having faith in God to someday to deliver them) but their faith did not deliver them.
What would have happened if Jesus in the Garden said, “I'm not sure if God will raise me up and I'm not even sure I am the one who is to pay the price for sins, so I don't want to go to the cross and be wrong”?
Where would be the necessity for faith? Paul would not have written any Epistles and said “one faith”.Our faith means nothing if it weren't for His faith.
The only faith that means anything or has any meaning for the deliverance of mankind is His faithAfter His faith, our faith is in Him who bought us with His blood and body.
Buddha had faith in what he believed, but faith in him will only bring us to what he accomplished.
Faith in Jesus will bring us what He accomplished.Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.
We could not have true faith for salvation if it was not for His faith.Please read this as some of the comments were not on line with the topic.
How about the “one baptism”?
I've heard from the Church of Christ that unless you are baptized in their church you can not be saved because it is the “one” baptism that Paul spoke of.
One the other hand the United Pentecostal Church says that you must be baptized by them and in the “name of Jesus only” or you are not saved.If it is water baptism, them it can not be “one baptism” for we are all baptized in water. It can not be in the Spirit, because there are many who clams to be baptized by the Spirit.
Jesus said we should believe and be baptized,
Paul said we are all baptized by the Spirit into Christ.Jesus was baptized by John in the river and the Holy Spirit came upon Him, (baptized) when He come up from the water.
Now look at these scriptures,
Mat 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
Luk_12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened, ( or limited, constrained) till it be accomplished.
What baptism was He talking about? He said he was limited and constrained until that was accomplished. What limited Him when it seemed He had no limits in this life of what He could do?
His baptism was His death, burial, and resurrection yet to be accomplished which removed all limits to His ability to save mankind, to deliver us out of darkness and death.
If it was not for His baptism, (death, burial, and resurrection) we would not have a “one Lord”, who had the “one faith” and the accomplishment of an atonement for mankind through His “one baptism”.
It's all about Jesus and by His work alone He defeated Satan and brought salvation to mankind.
Php_2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross
Rom_5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Hi Rich,
So you do not believe that “One Baptism” means our being baptized with the “HolySpirit”?
Do you believe that “Born of Water” means our physical birth as does Wakeup and I?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd j,
Quote So you do not believe that “One Baptism” means our being baptized with the “HolySpirit”? I would comment on that, but I stunned. I just stated above in my post that the “one Baptism” is His death, burial, and resurrection.
Again, if it was not for this one baptism by Jesus death burial and resurrection there would be no need for water or baptism with the Holy Ghost. It would be all for nothing.
Quote Do you believe that “Born of Water” means our physical birth as does Wakeup and I? As for this it comes from:
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spiritIn order to understand this we need to look at the whole thing, not just a few words and make something out of it .
If you notice the two scriptures match each other. Jesus reviled the statement in verse 5 saying “born of water” when He said “that which is born of the flesh”.
You can not separate the two verses without a connection.
In other words flesh is matched with water, as spirit is matched with Spirit.
The point is you first have to be born and alive to be born again.
The thought is “AGAIN”. A first and a second birth.Hi Rich,
One is our physical birth(water) – the other is our rebirth(spirit).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 25 2012,11:16) Hi Rich, One is our physical birth(water) – the other is our rebirth(spirit).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which
is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.” (1 Cor 15:46)richt
Quote Jesus said we should believe and be baptized,
Paul said we are all baptized by the Spirit into Christ.Jesus was baptized by John in the river and the Holy Spirit came upon Him, (baptized) when He come up from the water.
why was John the baptist send to the Jews and not to the gentiles
or both why was Christ send to the Jews and not to the gentiles or both
why would the Jews repent ,and why gentiles would repent
or why would gentiles be baptized in water for repentance,of cause many would say that baptism is needed for this shows your commitment to all ,but would this not reinstall the practice of the law just show ;is this not what God hates just talk no love for him and his righteousness
what about the circumcision Paul says it is useless if you do not fulfill the law ,but God looks for the circumcision of the heart ,were is the baptism of the heart
how is it performed by whom is it performed
the holy spirit is given after your commitment why not before
what is it that really happen in the person that receive the holy spirit ;
what part of the holy spirit given to all who believe
those are some of my questions could you answer them
Quote (Richtuner @ Nov. 23 2012,03:55) Wakeup, I'm not sure why you quoted what you did, because it has nothing to do with the scriptures and thoughts above. kerwin,
Quote Faith in Jesus that is from the heart is a title of the one faith Paul speaks of to the Ephesians. We are not talking about faith in someone and their teaching. I do believe in the Words of Jesus and we are to believe and obey them, but we are looking at the statement “one faith”.
I thought the point is clear, Jesus faith in God brought salvation to mankind. Not your faith or mine. We have faith in Jesus who had faith in God to wrought salvation. If it was not for His faith , we would not have faith to be saved or delivered.
The “one faith” is not anything to do with us.One Lord, Jesus and one Faith, His faith………..
Before Jesus the Jews looked forward to God bringing a Saviour into the world. They had faith in the keeping of the feast and doing good works and they believed God, (having faith in God to someday to deliver them) but their faith did not deliver them.
What would have happened if Jesus in the Garden said, “I'm not sure if God will raise me up and I'm not even sure I am the one who is to pay the price for sins, so I don't want to go to the cross and be wrong”?
Where would be the necessity for faith? Paul would not have written any Epistles and said “one faith”.Our faith means nothing if it weren't for His faith.
The only faith that means anything or has any meaning for the deliverance of mankind is His faithAfter His faith, our faith is in Him who bought us with His blood and body.
Buddha had faith in what he believed, but faith in him will only bring us to what he accomplished.
Faith in Jesus will bring us what He accomplished.Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.
We could not have true faith for salvation if it was not for His faith.Please read this as some of the comments were not on line with the topic.
Richturner,I agree with you but I do not see a significant difference between Jesus' faith, Abraham's faith, or the faith of any other servant of God.
God speaks and the servant believes.
You can emphasize Jesus' role as the archetype servant as that is correct; nevertheless this passage is not the best for that purpose.
As you write, he is the Pioneer and Finisher of our faith, Hebrews 12:2.
kerwin,
Quote I agree with you but I do not see a significant difference between Jesus' faith, Abraham's faith, or the faith of any other servant of God The difference is Abraham's faith did not accomplish salvation for mankind. His faith accomplish the creation of the Nation of Israel.
What if he did not act on that faith? There would be no Israel.Remember that Jesus told the Pharisees to search the scriptures because in them they speak of Him. Did He not talk about what He must do? He believed God that He was the Messiah, but if He did not act on that faith, (or surrender to God's will) we would not be saved and there would be no Christianity.
No other man on earth could have that kind of faith to bring salvation to the world.
That's why Paul says it is the “one faith”
Because He is the “one Lord” and by His “one faith” He believed and He died and was buried and rose again, His “one baptism”.
If it were not for this fact we would be lost and hell bound because there would be no salvation for mankind.
This is not about us and our way of being baptized or our faith etc. It's all about Him and what He is and what He did.
Paul said in Romans that by one man sin entered into the world and by one man righteousness, (because of the facts in Eph. 5:4).
Hi Rich:
Taking a second look at Ephesians 5:4, I believe that this is all about Jesus.
So then, It would be: There is One Lord (Jesus), there is One Faith (For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life), and One baptism (baptism in the name of Jesus)
Acts 2:38
Love in Christ,
Marty942767, When you state that there is one Lord, which is Jesus is right, but then you switch back to us with one faith and one baptism.
It is written in Acts that “there is no other name, (Jesus) under heaven given among men where by we must be saved”.
It is written that He is the Way, Life, and the Door etc.It would be accurate to say it is “Only” rather than “One” when we use our faith. We can have faith in many peoples and many movements etc., but it would only be effective to us for salvation as the “only” faith in Jesus rather than in someone else.
It was not our faith that brought salvation to us without the faith of Jesus who believed God for the salvation for us.
I will say again, if Jesus did not have faith, then our faith would be in vain.
In 2Cor. Paul said that if Jesus did not rise from the dead, our faith would be in vain, (2Cor. 15:12-19)
That is why His faith is the “One faith”
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