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Hi Woutlaw, and Cubes,
Thanks for missing me (or at least, wondering where I've been).
I went to the lake for a week. The last week, I've been kind of busy, and this weekend, I was away as well. I find I get a lot more reading done when I 'm not on here every day. I plan on cutting down the amount of time I spend on here.
I also plan on adopting the words of C. T. Russel, in an effort to save myself some time:
“If you stop to kick at every dog that barks at you, you'll never get very far.”davie.
Quote (david @ July 18 2006,12:14) Hi Woutlaw, and Cubes,
Thanks for missing me (or at least, wondering where I've been).
I went to the lake for a week. The last week, I've been kind of busy, and this weekend, I was away as well. I find I get a lot more reading done when I 'm not on here every day. I plan on cutting down the amount of time I spend on here.
I also plan on adopting the words of C. T. Russel, in an effort to save myself some time:
“If you stop to kick at every dog that barks at you, you'll never get very far.”davie.
Davie,
Good to have you back… who else am I going to debate with on whether or not we should go to war?
It's been sweltering hot out here in NY state so far this week, how about blowing us just a little of some of that cool air from your neck of the woods since it seems you supply all the arctic chill in the winter time?Hey Cubes, It's actually been quite hot here. The province I live in kind of goes from one extreme to the next, being up to +40 celcius in the summer and down to -40 celcius in the winter. (I don't know what that is in farenheit) Right now, it's around plus 30 C, so quite hot here.
Quote who else am I going to debate with on whether or not we should go to war?
Cubes, “we” should not go to war. Let the world have it's wars. The world will be done away with soon enough. Actually, out of all the topics on here, the views of the people of this forum on war surprises me the most.Hi David,
The dogs don't bark at you but at the rattling chains of the JW prison they hear.
We all love you and want to see you free.Thankyou for loving me Nick. I could have also mentioned that one of the reasons i was away last week was because I went swimming and plugged my ear and got an ear infection and the right side of my face went numb, and I just didn't feel very good for a few days. I actually considered asking Nick about it. Anyway, I went to my doctor, and most of the numbness is now gone, and I can actually hear out of both ears. You don't realize how important something like hearing is, until it is taken away.
On what Nick said,
But when they say things that are lies, Nick? Then what? It's really not worth my time.
If they have something half positive to say, or wish to discuss scripture, fine. But every now and then, we have come across ones on here who like to name call, to revile, to say bad things loudly, and aren't able to defend what they say in the least. They just say everything so loudly. It's deafening.
If someone can only repeat the slanderous lies that have been circulated over the internet and not spend more than 5 minutes looking into these subjects, why should I bother?I'm going to quote something that is fairly strong that I pulled from another forum. This is a quote from a non-Witness:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/10189/1.ashx“I consider the “truth” about this and every other JW-related issue to be EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, because OBVIOUS HORSE[….] like “Russell was a Mason” only serves the WTS's objective of painting XJWs as NUTS and LIARS.”
That quote was submitted by someone called “madapostate.”People like to throw out strings of accusations, not really knowing where they originated. Most of them are half truths (meaning half lies) or completely laughably wrong. But yes, for those that spend only 5 minutes on the internet, you may come to believe that Russel was a mason for example.
But Nick, how did they paint Jesus? Would you have believed the bad talk about him? Or would you have dug deeper?This thread is about encouragement. When someone says “hello” to me by throwing out every bad thing they've “discovered” through their tabloid internet “research,” and I use that term rather loosely, I find that rather discouraging. It only shows how good Satan is at what he does.
david
Hi david,
Do you take personally criticism of denominations like the JW's?
Surely your foundations are deeper than such human groupings?
Surely such assaults against what is clearly imperfect are helpful and good for us and help us remove obstacles between us and the Father?
Do you agree or do you feel like the catholics that faith in the institution is vital and what God wants, and actually expresses your faith in God?Quote (david @ July 19 2006,03:25) Hey Cubes, It's actually been quite hot here. The province I live in kind of goes from one extreme to the next, being up to +40 celcius in the summer and down to -40 celcius in the winter. (I don't know what that is in farenheit) Right now, it's around plus 30 C, so quite hot here. Quote who else am I going to debate with on whether or not we should go to war?
Cubes, “we” should not go to war. Let the world have it's wars. The world will be done away with soon enough. Actually, out of all the topics on here, the views of the people of this forum on war surprises me the most.
I need a mnemonic tool to remember the conversion from C to F because I keep forgetting… it's 30 something, plus or minus… anyway, I could look it up but what's the sense when I keep forgetting it? If any one has such a way to remember it, please help!A friend at work shared with us the neat way of remembering which months have 31 days as opposed to 30. I remember it by the recitation, “30 days have september…” Anyway, some of you may know both but I thought it was quite neat and simple:
She makes a fist, each knuckle represents 31 days starting with the index… the first dip (depression) b/n index and 3rd finger represents 30 or less days…. Using this technique, the month ends on the last knuckle of the first hand on July; starting with the second fist, first knuckle and following the same technique gets all the way thru' December.
Quote Do you take personally criticism of denominations like the JW's?
Nick, there are certain people that make it their objective in life to slander what I consider to be God's organization. Let's take trinity as an example. There are hundreds of websites that speak of the trinity. About 95 percent of them speak directly against JW's because we do not believe that God is part of a trinity. These websites speak lies. Often, the lies are obvious. Sometimes, they are not so obvious, more clever. Now, if somebody that doesn't really know about the Bible decides they want to come on here and attack you, Nick, because you don't believe the trinity and then they just repeat whatever they've heard on those websites, that bothers me. Doesn't it bother you? It's not what they say or what they believe. Its that others might believe without questioning it.Quote Surely such assaults against what is clearly imperfect are helpful and good for us and help us remove obstacles between us and the Father?
Jehovah's Witnesses are not perfect. It is made up of imperfect humans. You, nor I are perfect Nick. Assaults I don't mind. This is what I do mind:An example:
“Nick, you are crazy. Everything you say is clearly wrong. You don't believe Jesus is God? Insane. Utter Nonsence. Blasphemy. So please! Don't attempt to say anything. I have read your words. Your grandpa stole something once. I believe he had mob connections. Your wife doesn't believe what you say. Why should I? etc, etc, etc.”Of course, i don't believe anything I just said. But notice I didn't bother with facts. It's just slander with a clear purpose in mind. Would you consider that assault on you to be “helpful and good”? I wouldn't.
Quote Do you agree or do you feel like the catholics that faith in the institution is vital and what God wants, and actually expresses your faith in God? Nick, I simply believe that throughout history, Jehovah has most often had a people, and that Jehovah is a God of order. The fact that many who claim to be that people does in no way disprove in itself that he doesn't have a people–it only proves that most (not all) are wrong.
Nick, let me ask you this: It's the close of the first century. You're surrounded by faithful men of old, ones who learned from and knew the apostles and older men of the congregations. Now I don't know what you would call it, “faith in the institution,” but you would have felt something for the association of brothers.
Quote She makes a fist, each knuckle represents 31 days starting with the index… the first dip (depression) b/n index and 3rd finger represents 30 or less days…. Using this technique, the month ends on the last knuckle of the first hand on July; starting with the second fist, first knuckle and following the same technique gets all the way thru' December.
Hey cubes. Actually, I've never been good at remembering the days of the months. About 2 years ago, I came across this exact way. It's perfect for me, because I also use my fingers as a calculator. Why not as a calander too.David,
Glad your ear infection is much improved now. Sorry too about your feeling hurt over the things you recounted. In the long run, we can each only be responsible for our own accountability to Jesus, no? As Nick said, we love you.
Quote (Cubes @ July 19 2006,18:35) A friend at work shared with us the neat way of remembering which months have 31 days as opposed to 30. I remember it by the recitation, “30 days have september…” Anyway, some of you may know both but I thought it was quite neat and simple: She makes a fist, each knuckle represents 31 days starting with the index… the first dip (depression) b/n index and 3rd finger represents 30 or less days…. Using this technique, the month ends on the last knuckle of the first hand on July; starting with the second fist, first knuckle and following the same technique gets all the way thru' December.
Funny thing was I knew about the '30 has September' one, but my wife showed me the knuckle one just this week. I thought it was very clever.To david.
The first century believers were called Christians. There wasn't this division where some were called Christians and another bunch called say Aliens or WJs or Mentalcostals.
There were just 2 groups. The second group is the world and some of that second group pretended to be in the first.
Now fast forward a couple of millenia and we probably have a couple of million denominations. Who knows how many?
But the truth is that there are just 2 groups, (I guess 3 as I should include the Jews, and perhaps more if we include 144000 etc). But for gentiles who have been saved by grace, lets look at the 2 groups we can choose to belong. The Church or the world.
So where do the JWs fit into that. Are they the whole Church, or the World?
1) If you say the whole Church, you are wrong.
2) If you say part of the Church, you may be wrong too, if the JWs claim exclusivity. Do they?
3) The world is where I put this organisation. But I also believe that there are members in that organisation that are in the Church too. In other words I think there are true believers or children of God probably in many perhaps, most denominations and other bodies. That is why we are told to come out of Babylon.But nothing has really changed. There is still the Church and the World. The world pretends to be the church at times and the church acts like the world at times. That is unfortunate, but it is reality. But that blurring of the groups doesn't change the truth that there is the Church and the World.
Perhaps if you want to answer this post extensively we can move over to a more appropriate discussion.
Your servant in Christ.
Hey t8. I'm not sure what this post is doing in the “encouragement” thread. I'm not sure this is a “more appropriate” thread. You already posted it somewhere else. And I responded, somewhere else.
Hi,
Matt 7
” 7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?”
Quote 3) The world is where I put this organisation [JW's]. But I also believe that there are members in that organisation that are in the Church too. In other words I think there are true believers or children of God probably in many perhaps, most denominations and other bodies. That is why we are told to come out of Babylon. –T8
Question T8. Please answer it. If there are “true believers or children of God” in “many” or even “most” denominations…..my question is, which are the denominations that don't have any true believers in them?
Could you please provide a list? Because it would sure be important to stay out of these denominations, the ones that have no true believers in them. And how can you tell which are these? Or can you tell? IF YOU CAN'T TELL, then how do you know that there are some denominations that have no true believers?
Here's what I see. Dis-unity. One group believes one thing (which may be right and may be wrong.) Another group believes another thing (which contrasts what the first group believes.) One group is believing a lie. And perhaps, many falsehoods. Jesus said that God's word was truth. True Christians should believe the truth, shouldn't they? They should be united in purpose and thought, shouldn't they? They should be “one” as Jesus said his followers would be, shouldn't they?English scholar John Selden, 300 years ago said: “If the matter were well examined, you would scarce find three [persons] anywhere of the same religion in all points.”
I found was actually a little suprised that after “examined” you and your other moderator do not agree on all points. I find this odd, because I would have thought that someone who you got to moderate this borad, would be someone who agrees with “all points” that you do. But I guess, as this writer said, that is impossible, or nearly anyway.
Jehovah's Witnesses are perhaps the most united group on the planet. Considering the diversity in location and language and culture, this is almost a miracle.david
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