Elohim; has two essences – male and female

[davidbfun]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 02 2010,01:28)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 01 2010,13:21) Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 01 2010,16:08) David, DBF's argument also don't hold water if you consider this; He twist the Scriptures to says “God created a Man in His Image and he Created a Woman in His Image”. So does God have TWO Images…? Of course not, God Almighty is ONE GOD. More over – God did not create “A Man AND a Woman”…. God create “an ADAM” and then took the “Woman” out of “the ADAM”. Of course, you were right what you said earlier – The IMAGE of God is not a physical form but the qualities of God and thus then: He created them, “Male and Female he created them birth” Only the animals were created Male and Female from the beginning – Not Man because the animals were not created in God's image – Only MAN (The Adam – The first Human Son Of God) Hello JA and David, You guys are funny. God's a bird, he takes you under His wings. Could “Man” be man in general (mankind) and not Adam? Male and female are God's characteristics…not man and woman. How am I twisting anything….here's the quote. Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness…. Gen 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. This is a summary of God's act of creating “Man”. Eve wasn't even created for a long time after Adam, but God still did the creating when He removed the rib from Adam to form Woman. These verses give insight into God, for those that care to see. You didn't want to see that the construction of the Hebrew word Elohim consists of a base Eloh (noun, feminine) and a masculine plural ending.   You don't realize “God (El) Almighty isn't referring to the same entity…Elohim.  El (God) is referring to the male essence of Elohim and is a singular masculine noun.  Whereas Elohim is a singular noun consisting of a masculine and feminine essence. Two distinct and different words for our one word “God”, that apply to two different entities. The Male and Female Image is how God chose to describe His qualities, take it for what it's worth. That is why I prefer to describe “male and female” as essences versus physical attributes…especially since God is NOT human.  See the heading of the Thread. Please don't twist what I said.  Didn't say a thing about a man and a woman.  The Bible said “man” speaking generically and hopefully you can see that. The Professor Hi David, ( YHVH=63 + Eloheem=63 )  …Two different aspects of one entity. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

Elohim is spelled with ee only with you and your numbers.

i = hebrew yud (consonant, and not a vowel.

E = 5 L=12 O=15 H=8 I=9 M=13 = 62

There I've done it and used your numbers….

[JustAskin]

DbF,

You try to claim that Male God was talking to Female God, talking with Himself, when He said, 'Let us make Man n our likeness'.

Do you see how you are already twisting Scriptures to try and force your point? (of course your immediate answer us ,'no')

Why do you think God didn't say, 'Let me make THEM, male and Female, in MY image'?

God made 'Man' in His image.

God made 'the ADAM' in His image.

God made Adam, the Man, in His image.

After forming 'the ADAM' out of the dust of the earth (The chemical elements), just as he formed (or evolved) the animals using the chemical elements of the earth, God 'breathed into 'his' nostrils' the breathe of life and the Man became a living soul. This last part is the 'image' that is of God.

The animals are flesh and blood just as Mankind is flesh and blood. The difference is that Mankind has the 'Spirit' from God in him and knows God, and the 'spirit' of the animals only has a fear of God but does not know God (An animal can fear fire without knowing what fire is. Animals fear mankind but don't know what mankind is)

Adam, the man, was asked by God to choose a companion from amongst the animals but found none worthy.
Therefore God decided to create a companion like Adam and took from Adam part of his nature. God formed another human being from the 'rib' (literal part of the character) that He took from Adam, and formed another human.
This other human was them called 'Woman', 'wombed man', because 'she' was taken out of the Man. So, Woman, Wombed Man, means…'taken out of Man'

Therefore, in SUMMARY, Scriptures says, 'He created them in His image, Male and Female, He created them, both'.

The point is, 'the First Male did not create, nor procreate, the first Female but were made by God, both of them possess the image of God'

[david]

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How am I twisting anything….here's the quote. Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness…. Gen 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

–DBF

Hi David. I did not mean to imply you were purposefully twisting scriptures around, if it was me you were referring to.

I just wonder what you think of Jehovah repeatedly being called “Father”?

Also, he is repeatedly (a few times at least) called the “husbandly owner” or “husbandly master [Lord]” of Israel.
Is 54:5; Jer 314; 31:32

The same scripture we've considered before when looking at God's name for example:

ISAIAH 54:5
““For your Grand Maker is your husbandly owner, Jehovah of armies being his name; and the Holy One of Israel is your Repurchaser. The God of the whole earth he will be called.”

DBF, what do you make of God inspiring his writers to write that he is our “Father” and that he was symbolically a “husband” to Israel.

He did not choose to be called “mother” or “wife” did he? Does this count for anything?

[david]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 01 2010,13:33)

Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,14:35) Quote Hebrew has two: El = God (noun, masc, singular) Elohim = God (noun, masc AND fem, singular) First, even if Elohim were feminine, what would that prove?  You should learn french or spanish, or any other such language. Unfortunately, in English, we are not used to every word being either male or female.  In french everything is male or female.  A table or a wall might be female (guesses).  What does that prove? If we are specifically told that God is our Father…. Hi David, It only proves what GOD Said….we are created in God's image. Take that up with God. I brought up this Thread to hopefully enlighten some people's perspectives. You can draw near to God only if God draws you. The Professor

Languages have things that are masculine and femanine and if you study language you'll find it's quite random.

It's been forever since I've taken french, but a table might be Le table or La table. (It's just and example and I can't remember which.)

But of course, that's not proof that a table, or anything is either male or female. It's just how many languages work.

[david]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 01 2010,14:05)

Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,14:35) Quote Hebrew has two: El = God (noun, masc, singular) Elohim = God (noun, masc AND fem, singular) First, even if Elohim were feminine, what would that prove?  You should learn french or spanish, or any other such language. Unfortunately, in English, we are not used to every word being either male or female.  In french everything is male or female.  A table or a wall might be female (guesses).  What does that prove? If we are specifically told that God is our Father…. Hi David, Another post,,,,begotten and born….Father…. God's only begotten child is Jesus.  We are God's children thru formation, out of dust with His hands….or adopted. It is good to be able to call God, “Father”.  “Father”  is a male attribute, and fathering is the act of begetting.  Jesus is YHVH's only begotten son and he called him Father, too.  So, if Jesus had a Father, who was his Mother? What's the diff? Why not get to know BOTH of your parents? Elohim has two essences……M/F The Professor

DBF, but nothing you said addresses the fact that Jehovah chose to be called “Father” and “husband” (to Israel) and not Mother or wife (to Israel).

Who are we to argue with what he inspired of himself?

[david]

Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,05:58)

Quote Someone tried to say that the “US” in those verses is the Father and Jesus….but again the verse says male AND female; which one is the female? –davidbfun So, davidbfun, do you think that God and Jesus in heaven have all the parts that we do.  You seem to think that us being created in God's image, means physical image, as opposed to us being created with godly attributes.  If you look at this physically, then let me ask you: Does God use have literal ears that he uses to hear like we do? Does God have literal eyes like we do that let's him see light? Does God have literal fingers that help him to move things around? Does he have reproductive organs?  Does he have a stomach?  Does he have lungs that help him breath? When we are told that he wears a crown or sits on a throne, it is to convey a thought, that of authority.  When we are told of his “arm” or his “finger” it is refernce to his holy spirit, which he uses to accomplish his will.  (He does not literally need an arm to pick things up.) For the sake of understanding, we are given ideas that help us understand his glory, etc.  In one account, his holy spirit is called his finger.  This is for the sake of understanding. He does not need the sound waves to travel to his ear and have his eardrum bones vibrate in order for him to hear you.  That is ridiculous. You act as though God were a man. Us being created in his image means we were given godly attributes, the ability to love, to show wisdom, to be patient, to reason, etc.  The animals were not created in his image.  Look at the verse in context. david

DBF, I'm just wondering how you would respond to my questions.

[david]

Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:00)

Image: to draw a likeness; to describe; to reflect; to picture in the mind. Can it not be said that we “reflect” God in ways that animals don't?

Again, “image” does not have to mean “exact physical form” as many seem to believe.

[david]

Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:09)

Quote Hi David,  Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now. YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim). –DBF But YHVH is the name used for Elohim thousands of times in Scripture. I went through the Bible.  Here's what I found: “Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time Literally a thousand times YHWH is called “God.” Quote Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc.  Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name.  If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context. I think you should consider a Bible that hasn't taken God's name out thousands of times.  The word “lord” means “master,” and since your Bible has substituted the title “LORD” and also “GOD” thousands of times where YHWH originally was, it's understandable that you would get that impression.  Read it without the substitutions and you will get a much different impression. Also, “Jehovah” is used with reference to him more than “LORD”, “God”  “Father” “Almighty” etc combined! Quote It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much?  Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”.  Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow! Abraham and Moses were faithful servants of God who did the right thing. The Jews who took out and removed Gods name because they said it was too sacred to pronounce were doing the wrong thing.

Again, this is what the Bible shows and how the Bible portrays Jehovah, as “God.” It does this specifically a thousand times, and not so specifically thousands of other times.

Comments?

[david]

Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:30)

Quote YHVH could be a name, but not for Elohim. i.e. YHVH God (El) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times  (Or YHVH God) the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time How can you explain this?  Would you like me to show you those 50 times?

How do you explain this?

DBF, do you think an “of” should be placed between those 50 occurances? What do they mean?

[davidbfun]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 02 2010,14:36)

DbF, You try to claim that Male God was talking to Female God, talking with Himself, when He said, 'Let us make Man n our likeness'. Do you see how you are already twisting Scriptures to try and force your point? (of course your immediate  answer us ,'no') Why do you think God didn't say, 'Let me make THEM, male and Female, in MY image'? God made 'Man' in His image. God made 'the ADAM' in His image. God made Adam, the Man, in His image. After forming 'the ADAM' out of the dust of the earth (The chemical elements), just as he formed (or evolved) the animals using the chemical elements of the earth, God 'breathed into 'his' nostrils' the breathe of life and the Man became a living soul. This last part is the 'image' that is of God. The animals are flesh and blood just as Mankind is flesh and blood. The difference is that Mankind has the 'Spirit' from God in him and knows God, and the 'spirit' of the animals only has a fear of God but does not know God (An animal can fear fire without knowing what fire is. Animals fear mankind but don't know what mankind is) Adam, the man, was asked by God to choose a companion from amongst the animals but found none worthy. Therefore God decided to create a companion like Adam and took from Adam part of his nature. God formed another human being from the 'rib' (literal part of the character) that He took from Adam, and formed another human. This other human was them called 'Woman', 'wombed man', because 'she' was taken out of the Man. So, Woman, Wombed Man, means…'taken out of Man' Therefore, in SUMMARY, Scriptures says, 'He created them in His image, Male and Female, He created them, both'. The point is, 'the First Male did not create, nor procreate, the first Female but were made by God, both of them possess the image of God'

Hi JA, and David,

I put out that Elohim is composed of two parts:

Eloh = base (noun, feminine)
im = ending (noun, masc, plural)

Together = Elohim (noun, masc & fem, singular)

If God were ONLY singular they could and do use El (noun, masc, singular).

I'll respond to other issues but I want to keep this short and to the point.

Let the people know what you don't like about the word and how it is constructed.  With no philosophical input from an educator.

The Professor

[davidbfun]

Quote (david @ Aug. 02 2010,18:47)

Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:09) Quote Hi David,  Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now. YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim). –DBF But YHVH is the name used for Elohim thousands of times in Scripture. I went through the Bible.  Here's what I found: “Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time Literally a thousand times YHWH is called “God.” Quote Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc.  Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name.  If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context. I think you should consider a Bible that hasn't taken God's name out thousands of times.  The word “lord” means “master,” and since your Bible has substituted the title “LORD” and also “GOD” thousands of times where YHWH originally was, it's understandable that you would get that impression.  Read it without the substitutions and you will get a much different impression. Also, “Jehovah” is used with reference to him more than “LORD”, “God”  “Father” “Almighty” etc combined! Quote It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much?  Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”.  Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow! Abraham and Moses were faithful servants of God who did the right thing. The Jews who took out and removed Gods name because they said it was too sacred to pronounce were doing the wrong thing. Again, this is what the Bible shows and how the Bible portrays Jehovah, as “God.”  It does this specifically a thousand times, and not so specifically thousands of other times. Comments?

Hello David,

David's shirt.

Is “shirt” the name for David.?

One step at a time.

[davidbfun]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:07)

Quote (david @ Aug. 02 2010,18:47) Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:09) Quote Hi David,  Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now. YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim). –DBF But YHVH is the name used for Elohim thousands of times in Scripture. I went through the Bible.  Here's what I found: “Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time Literally a thousand times YHWH is called “God.” Quote Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc.  Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name.  If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context. I think you should consider a Bible that hasn't taken God's name out thousands of times.  The word “lord” means “master,” and since your Bible has substituted the title “LORD” and also “GOD” thousands of times where YHWH originally was, it's understandable that you would get that impression.  Read it without the substitutions and you will get a much different impression. Also, “Jehovah” is used with reference to him more than “LORD”, “God”  “Father” “Almighty” etc combined! Quote It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much?  Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”.  Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow! Abraham and Moses were faithful servants of God who did the right thing. The Jews who took out and removed Gods name because they said it was too sacred to pronounce were doing the wrong thing. Again, this is what the Bible shows and how the Bible portrays Jehovah, as “God.”  It does this specifically a thousand times, and not so specifically thousands of other times. Comments? Hello David, David's shirt. Is “shirt” the name for David.? One step at a time.

Hi David,

Gen 1:2 RuachElohim (notice that the words are together)

Word translations:

Ruach = Spirit
Elohim = God

Together = God's Spirit

Step 2

The Professor

[davidbfun]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:10)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:07) Quote (david @ Aug. 02 2010,18:47) Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:09) Quote Hi David,  Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now. YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim). –DBF But YHVH is the name used for Elohim thousands of times in Scripture. I went through the Bible.  Here's what I found: “Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time Literally a thousand times YHWH is called “God.” Quote Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc.  Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name.  If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context. I think you should consider a Bible that hasn't taken God's name out thousands of times.  The word “lord” means “master,” and since your Bible has substituted the title “LORD” and also “GOD” thousands of times where YHWH originally was, it's understandable that you would get that impression.  Read it without the substitutions and you will get a much different impression. Also, “Jehovah” is used with reference to him more than “LORD”, “God”  “Father” “Almighty” etc combined! Quote It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much?  Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”.  Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow! Abraham and Moses were faithful servants of God who did the right thing. The Jews who took out and removed Gods name because they said it was too sacred to pronounce were doing the wrong thing. Again, this is what the Bible shows and how the Bible portrays Jehovah, as “God.”  It does this specifically a thousand times, and not so specifically thousands of other times. Comments? Hello David, David's shirt. Is “shirt” the name for David.? One step at a time. Hi David, Gen 1:2  RuachElohim (notice that the words are together) Word translations: Ruach = Spirit Elohim = God Together = God's Spirit Step 2 The Professor

Hello David,

Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim (notice two words together)

Word translations:

YHVH = YHVH
Elohim = God

together = God's YHVH

Step 3

The Professor

[davidbfun]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:16)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:10) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:07) Quote (david @ Aug. 02 2010,18:47) Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:09) Quote Hi David,  Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now. YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim). –DBF But YHVH is the name used for Elohim thousands of times in Scripture. I went through the Bible.  Here's what I found: “Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time Literally a thousand times YHWH is called “God.” Quote Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc.  Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name.  If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context. I think you should consider a Bible that hasn't taken God's name out thousands of times.  The word “lord” means “master,” and since your Bible has substituted the title “LORD” and also “GOD” thousands of times where YHWH originally was, it's understandable that you would get that impression.  Read it without the substitutions and you will get a much different impression. Also, “Jehovah” is used with reference to him more than “LORD”, “God”  “Father” “Almighty” etc combined! Quote It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much?  Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”.  Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow! Abraham and Moses were faithful servants of God who did the right thing. The Jews who took out and removed Gods name because they said it was too sacred to pronounce were doing the wrong thing. Again, this is what the Bible shows and how the Bible portrays Jehovah, as “God.”  It does this specifically a thousand times, and not so specifically thousands of other times. Comments? Hello David, David's shirt. Is “shirt” the name for David.? One step at a time. Hi David, Gen 1:2  RuachElohim (notice that the words are together) Word translations: Ruach = Spirit Elohim = God Together = God's Spirit Step 2 The Professor Hello David, Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim (notice two words together) Word translations: YHVH = YHVH Elohim = God together = God's YHVH Step 3 The Professor

Hello JA and David,

Elohim = God (noun, masculine AND feminine, singular)
RuachElohim = God's Spirit (feminine)
YHVHElohim = God's YHVH (masculine)

Step 4

The Professor

[davidbfun]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:19)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:16) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:10) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:07) Quote (david @ Aug. 02 2010,18:47) Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:09) Quote Hi David,  Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now. YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim). –DBF But YHVH is the name used for Elohim thousands of times in Scripture. I went through the Bible.  Here's what I found: “Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time Literally a thousand times YHWH is called “God.” Quote Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc.  Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name.  If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context. I think you should consider a Bible that hasn't taken God's name out thousands of times.  The word “lord” means “master,” and since your Bible has substituted the title “LORD” and also “GOD” thousands of times where YHWH originally was, it's understandable that you would get that impression.  Read it without the substitutions and you will get a much different impression. Also, “Jehovah” is used with reference to him more than “LORD”, “God”  “Father” “Almighty” etc combined! Quote It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much?  Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”.  Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow! Abraham and Moses were faithful servants of God who did the right thing. The Jews who took out and removed Gods name because they said it was too sacred to pronounce were doing the wrong thing. Again, this is what the Bible shows and how the Bible portrays Jehovah, as “God.”  It does this specifically a thousand times, and not so specifically thousands of other times. Comments? Hello David, David's shirt. Is “shirt” the name for David.? One step at a time. Hi David, Gen 1:2  RuachElohim (notice that the words are together) Word translations: Ruach = Spirit Elohim = God Together = God's Spirit Step 2 The Professor Hello David, Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim (notice two words together) Word translations: YHVH = YHVH Elohim = God together = God's YHVH Step 3 The Professor Hello JA and David, Elohim = God (noun, masculine AND feminine, singular) RuachElohim = God's Spirit (feminine) YHVHElohim = God's YHVH (masculine) Step 4 The Professor

Hello David & JA,

Genesis 1:27 God (Elohim, noun, “masculine AND feminine”, singular) created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; “male and female” He created “them”.

Genesis 1:28 God blessed “them”; and God said TO “them”
(notice it wasn't just to Adam, but to “them”. When did Adam become THEM? After his operation….and Eve was already in existence, JA)

Step 5

The Professor

[davidbfun]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:26)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:19) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:16) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:10) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:07) Quote (david @ Aug. 02 2010,18:47) Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:09) Quote Hi David,  Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now. YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim). –DBF But YHVH is the name used for Elohim thousands of times in Scripture. I went through the Bible.  Here's what I found: “Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time Literally a thousand times YHWH is called “God.” Quote Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc.  Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name.  If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context. I think you should consider a Bible that hasn't taken God's name out thousands of times.  The word “lord” means “master,” and since your Bible has substituted the title “LORD” and also “GOD” thousands of times where YHWH originally was, it's understandable that you would get that impression.  Read it without the substitutions and you will get a much different impression. Also, “Jehovah” is used with reference to him more than “LORD”, “God”  “Father” “Almighty” etc combined! Quote It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much?  Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”.  Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow! Abraham and Moses were faithful servants of God who did the right thing. The Jews who took out and removed Gods name because they said it was too sacred to pronounce were doing the wrong thing. Again, this is what the Bible shows and how the Bible portrays Jehovah, as “God.”  It does this specifically a thousand times, and not so specifically thousands of other times. Comments? Hello David, David's shirt. Is “shirt” the name for David.? One step at a time. Hi David, Gen 1:2  RuachElohim (notice that the words are together) Word translations: Ruach = Spirit Elohim = God Together = God's Spirit Step 2 The Professor Hello David, Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim (notice two words together) Word translations: YHVH = YHVH Elohim = God together = God's YHVH Step 3 The Professor Hello JA and David, Elohim = God (noun, masculine AND feminine, singular) RuachElohim = God's Spirit (feminine) YHVHElohim = God's YHVH (masculine) Step 4 The Professor Hello David & JA, Genesis 1:27 God (Elohim, noun, “masculine AND feminine”, singular) created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; “male and female” He created “them”. Genesis 1:28 God blessed “them”; and God said TO “them” (notice it wasn't just to Adam, but to “them”.  When did Adam become THEM?  After his operation….and Eve was already in existence, JA) Step 5 The Professor

Hello David,

YHVH = male essence of Elohim

So, all of your quotes concerning YHVH are right on, as long as YOU understand the GOD references are to “El” and not “Elohim” unless you put YHVHElohim together.

Then that would be OOPS Elohim's YHVH.

What does your Bible put for those two words together?

LORD (title) God.

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Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:32)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:26) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:19) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:16) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:10) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:07) Quote (david @ Aug. 02 2010,18:47) Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:09) Quote Hi David,  Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now. YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim). –DBF But YHVH is the name used for Elohim thousands of times in Scripture. I went through the Bible.  Here's what I found: “Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time Literally a thousand times YHWH is called “God.” Quote Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc.  Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name.  If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context. I think you should consider a Bible that hasn't taken God's name out thousands of times.  The word “lord” means “master,” and since your Bible has substituted the title “LORD” and also “GOD” thousands of times where YHWH originally was, it's understandable that you would get that impression.  Read it without the substitutions and you will get a much different impression. Also, “Jehovah” is used with reference to him more than “LORD”, “God”  “Father” “Almighty” etc combined! Quote It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much?  Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”.  Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow! Abraham and Moses were faithful servants of God who did the right thing. The Jews who took out and removed Gods name because they said it was too sacred to pronounce were doing the wrong thing. Again, this is what the Bible shows and how the Bible portrays Jehovah, as “God.”  It does this specifically a thousand times, and not so specifically thousands of other times. Comments? Hello David, David's shirt. Is “shirt” the name for David.? One step at a time. Hi David, Gen 1:2  RuachElohim (notice that the words are together) Word translations: Ruach = Spirit Elohim = God Together = God's Spirit Step 2 The Professor Hello David, Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim (notice two words together) Word translations: YHVH = YHVH Elohim = God together = God's YHVH Step 3 The Professor Hello JA and David, Elohim = God (noun, masculine AND feminine, singular) RuachElohim = God's Spirit (feminine) YHVHElohim = God's YHVH (masculine) Step 4 The Professor Hello David & JA, Genesis 1:27 God (Elohim, noun, “masculine AND feminine”, singular) created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; “male and female” He created “them”. Genesis 1:28 God blessed “them”; and God said TO “them” (notice it wasn't just to Adam, but to “them”.  When did Adam become THEM?  After his operation….and Eve was already in existence, JA) Step 5 The Professor Hello David, YHVH = male essence of Elohim So, all of your quotes concerning YHVH are  right on, as long as YOU understand the GOD references are to “El” and not “Elohim” unless you put YHVHElohim together. Then that would be OOPS Elohim's YHVH. What does your Bible put for those two words together? LORD (title) God. Step 6 The Professor

Hello David,

Now for the final infomation concerning the feminine essence of Elohim

Elohim = God (noun, masculine AND feminine, singular)
YHVH = YHVH (noun, masculine)
YHVHElohim = Elohim's YHVH (male)

RuachElohim = God's Spirit (noun,feminine)

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Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:37)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:32) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:26) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:19) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:16) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:10) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:07) Quote (david @ Aug. 02 2010,18:47) Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:09) Quote Hi David,  Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now. YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim). –DBF But YHVH is the name used for Elohim thousands of times in Scripture. I went through the Bible.  Here's what I found: “Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time Literally a thousand times YHWH is called “God.” Quote Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc.  Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name.  If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context. I think you should consider a Bible that hasn't taken God's name out thousands of times.  The word “lord” means “master,” and since your Bible has substituted the title “LORD” and also “GOD” thousands of times where YHWH originally was, it's understandable that you would get that impression.  Read it without the substitutions and you will get a much different impression. Also, “Jehovah” is used with reference to him more than “LORD”, “God”  “Father” “Almighty” etc combined! Quote It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much?  Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”.  Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow! Abraham and Moses were faithful servants of God who did the right thing. The Jews who took out and removed Gods name because they said it was too sacred to pronounce were doing the wrong thing. Again, this is what the Bible shows and how the Bible portrays Jehovah, as “God.”  It does this specifically a thousand times, and not so specifically thousands of other times. Comments? Hello David, David's shirt. Is “shirt” the name for David.? One step at a time. Hi David, Gen 1:2  RuachElohim (notice that the words are together) Word translations: Ruach = Spirit Elohim = God Together = God's Spirit Step 2 The Professor Hello David, Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim (notice two words together) Word translations: YHVH = YHVH Elohim = God together = God's YHVH Step 3 The Professor Hello JA and David, Elohim = God (noun, masculine AND feminine, singular) RuachElohim = God's Spirit (feminine) YHVHElohim = God's YHVH (masculine) Step 4 The Professor Hello David & JA, Genesis 1:27 God (Elohim, noun, “masculine AND feminine”, singular) created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; “male and female” He created “them”. Genesis 1:28 God blessed “them”; and God said TO “them” (notice it wasn't just to Adam, but to “them”.  When did Adam become THEM?  After his operation….and Eve was already in existence, JA) Step 5 The Professor Hello David, YHVH = male essence of Elohim So, all of your quotes concerning YHVH are  right on, as long as YOU understand the GOD references are to “El” and not “Elohim” unless you put YHVHElohim together. Then that would be OOPS Elohim's YHVH. What does your Bible put for those two words together? LORD (title) God. Step 6 The Professor Hello David, Now for the final infomation concerning the feminine essence of Elohim Elohim = God (noun, masculine AND feminine, singular) YHVH = YHVH (noun, masculine) YHVHElohim = Elohim's YHVH (male) RuachElohim = God's Spirit (noun,feminine) Step 7 The Professor

Hello David,

This should help in all of your references concerning YHVH and who He is.

YHVH, male essence of Elohim. Positions:

God, “El” or God + Adjective
God's YHVH
Father
King

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Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:41)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:37) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:32) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:26) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:19) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:16) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:10) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:07) Quote (david @ Aug. 02 2010,18:47) Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:09) Quote Hi David,  Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now. YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim). –DBF But YHVH is the name used for Elohim thousands of times in Scripture. I went through the Bible.  Here's what I found: “Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time Literally a thousand times YHWH is called “God.” Quote Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc.  Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name.  If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context. I think you should consider a Bible that hasn't taken God's name out thousands of times.  The word “lord” means “master,” and since your Bible has substituted the title “LORD” and also “GOD” thousands of times where YHWH originally was, it's understandable that you would get that impression.  Read it without the substitutions and you will get a much different impression. Also, “Jehovah” is used with reference to him more than “LORD”, “God”  “Father” “Almighty” etc combined! Quote It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much?  Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”.  Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow! Abraham and Moses were faithful servants of God who did the right thing. The Jews who took out and removed Gods name because they said it was too sacred to pronounce were doing the wrong thing. Again, this is what the Bible shows and how the Bible portrays Jehovah, as “God.”  It does this specifically a thousand times, and not so specifically thousands of other times. Comments? Hello David, David's shirt. Is “shirt” the name for David.? One step at a time. Hi David, Gen 1:2  RuachElohim (notice that the words are together) Word translations: Ruach = Spirit Elohim = God Together = God's Spirit Step 2 The Professor Hello David, Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim (notice two words together) Word translations: YHVH = YHVH Elohim = God together = God's YHVH Step 3 The Professor Hello JA and David, Elohim = God (noun, masculine AND feminine, singular) RuachElohim = God's Spirit (feminine) YHVHElohim = God's YHVH (masculine) Step 4 The Professor Hello David & JA, Genesis 1:27 God (Elohim, noun, “masculine AND feminine”, singular) created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; “male and female” He created “them”. Genesis 1:28 God blessed “them”; and God said TO “them” (notice it wasn't just to Adam, but to “them”.  When did Adam become THEM?  After his operation….and Eve was already in existence, JA) Step 5 The Professor Hello David, YHVH = male essence of Elohim So, all of your quotes concerning YHVH are  right on, as long as YOU understand the GOD references are to “El” and not “Elohim” unless you put YHVHElohim together. Then that would be OOPS Elohim's YHVH. What does your Bible put for those two words together? LORD (title) God. Step 6 The Professor Hello David, Now for the final infomation concerning the feminine essence of Elohim Elohim = God (noun, masculine AND feminine, singular) YHVH = YHVH (noun, masculine) YHVHElohim = Elohim's YHVH (male) RuachElohim = God's Spirit (noun,feminine) Step 7 The Professor Hello David, This should help in all of your references concerning YHVH and who He is. YHVH, male essence of Elohim.  Positions: God, “El” or God + Adjective God's YHVH Father King Step 8 The Professor

Hello JA and David,

Holy Spirit feminine essence of Elohim.

Positions:

Spirit of YHVH
Fear of YHVH
Wisdom
Counsel
Knowledge
Understanding
Power

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Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:44)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:41) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:37) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:32) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:26) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:19) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:16) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:10) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,21:07) Quote (david @ Aug. 02 2010,18:47) Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,06:09) Quote Hi David,  Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now. YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim). –DBF But YHVH is the name used for Elohim thousands of times in Scripture. I went through the Bible.  Here's what I found: “Jehovah is God.” (Ps 100:3) Expressions we find in the Bible: Jehovah God–50 times the [true] God Jehovah–4 times Jehovah their God–39 times Jehovah the [true] God–8 times. Jehovah is in truth God–1 time Jehovah is God–1 time Jehovah is my God–1 time Jehovah is our God–1 time Jehovah your God–455 times Jehovah our God–105 times Jehovah my God–40 times Jehovah his God–29 times Jehovah is a God–7 times Jehovah the God of–204 times Jehovah a God–1 time Literally a thousand times YHWH is called “God.” Quote Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc.  Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name.  If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context. I think you should consider a Bible that hasn't taken God's name out thousands of times.  The word “lord” means “master,” and since your Bible has substituted the title “LORD” and also “GOD” thousands of times where YHWH originally was, it's understandable that you would get that impression.  Read it without the substitutions and you will get a much different impression. Also, “Jehovah” is used with reference to him more than “LORD”, “God”  “Father” “Almighty” etc combined! Quote It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much?  Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”.  Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow! Abraham and Moses were faithful servants of God who did the right thing. The Jews who took out and removed Gods name because they said it was too sacred to pronounce were doing the wrong thing. Again, this is what the Bible shows and how the Bible portrays Jehovah, as “God.”  It does this specifically a thousand times, and not so specifically thousands of other times. Comments? Hello David, David's shirt. Is “shirt” the name for David.? One step at a time. Hi David, Gen 1:2  RuachElohim (notice that the words are together) Word translations: Ruach = Spirit Elohim = God Together = God's Spirit Step 2 The Professor Hello David, Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim (notice two words together) Word translations: YHVH = YHVH Elohim = God together = God's YHVH Step 3 The Professor Hello JA and David, Elohim = God (noun, masculine AND feminine, singular) RuachElohim = God's Spirit (feminine) YHVHElohim = God's YHVH (masculine) Step 4 The Professor Hello David & JA, Genesis 1:27 God (Elohim, noun, “masculine AND feminine”, singular) created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; “male and female” He created “them”. Genesis 1:28 God blessed “them”; and God said TO “them” (notice it wasn't just to Adam, but to “them”.  When did Adam become THEM?  After his operation….and Eve was already in existence, JA) Step 5 The Professor Hello David, YHVH = male essence of Elohim So, all of your quotes concerning YHVH are  right on, as long as YOU understand the GOD references are to “El” and not “Elohim” unless you put YHVHElohim together. Then that would be OOPS Elohim's YHVH. What does your Bible put for those two words together? LORD (title) God. Step 6 The Professor Hello David, Now for the final infomation concerning the feminine essence of Elohim Elohim = God (noun, masculine AND feminine, singular) YHVH = YHVH (noun, masculine) YHVHElohim = Elohim's YHVH (male) RuachElohim = God's Spirit (noun,feminine) Step 7 The Professor Hello David, This should help in all of your references concerning YHVH and who He is. YHVH, male essence of Elohim.  Positions: God, “El” or God + Adjective God's YHVH Father King Step 8 The Professor Hello JA and David, Holy Spirit feminine essence of Elohim. Positions: Spirit of YHVH Fear of YHVH WisdomCounsel Knowledge Understanding Power Step 9 The Professor

Hello David and JA,

YHVH has a “physical” body.
Holy Spirit has a “spiritual” body.

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