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  • #201801
    davidbfun
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    Eloh = goddess (noun, fem)(root)
    im = suffix (masc, plural)

    From this Hebrew word we can see that God (Elohim) consists of two essences, male and female. If God were only male the Hebrew word is El = God (noun, masc).

    Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in God's image; male and female….if God were not male AND female God could have created humans only male.

    Holy Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh (noun, fem)
    YHWH = LORD (noun, masc)(Title not a Name)
    Elohim = two together (One = yachid; 'Echad; united)

    Jesus is the “son of God” and Jesus talked about his Father but it appears that no one thinks about his Mother who begat him (Holy Spirit).

    We, humans, are only copies of the things of Heaven and were created in God's likeness and image and the Bible says that we are created in God's image male and female; therefore God must have these two essences also.

    God walked among men in the Old Testament but also sends His Spirit onto men showing that God has a body and spirit; just as we do. Our bodies will die but our spirits will live on eternally.

    God's likeness = body, spirit
    God's image = male, female

    David : )

    :) :)

    #201824
    davidbfun
    Participant

    El = God (noun, masc, singular)
    Eloh = God (noun, FEMININE, singular); thus is goddess
    El + im (Elim) = Gods (noun, masc, plural)
    Eloh + ot (Elohot) = Gods, (noun, fem, plural)

    Eloh + im = Goddess + male (suffix), plural ending
    Elohim shows female and male essences within the one word and one being.

    m y h l a (Is there a way to make this Hebrew?) Elohim
    h w h y (This too?) YHWH (funny how they use the letter “W” here, no?)
    v d q h x w r (Holy Spirit – Ruach HaKodesh)

    #201828
    Arnold
    Participant

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:07)
    Eloh = goddess (noun, fem)(root)
    im = suffix (masc, plural)

    From this Hebrew word we can see that God (Elohim)   consists of two essences, male and female.  If God were only male the Hebrew word is El = God (noun, masc).  

    Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in God's image; male and female….if God were not male AND female God could have created humans only male.

    Holy Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh (noun, fem)
    YHWH = LORD (noun, masc)(Title not a Name)
    Elohim = two together (One = yachid; 'Echad; united)

    Jesus is the “son of God” and Jesus talked about his Father but it appears that no one thinks about his Mother who begat him (Holy Spirit).

    We, humans, are only copies of the things of Heaven and were created in God's likeness and image and the Bible says that we are created in God's image male and female; therefore God must have these two essences also.  

    God walked among men in the Old Testament but also sends His Spirit  onto men showing that God has a body and spirit; just as we do.  Our bodies will die but our spirits will live on eternally.

    God's likeness = body, spirit
    God's image = male, female

    David : )

    :)  :)


    You need to understand what is meant by “image”.
    Speaking of Jesus.

    Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    What was the “image” Jesus was created in? “spirit”, invisible.
    Man was not created in that same image, man is not spirit.
    Besides “being” spirit, invisible; God has a spirit/mind, and so do we; that is the image God created us in, it enables us to communicate with God.

    #201831
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,05:49)
    El = God (noun, masc, singular)
    Eloh = God (noun, FEMININE, singular); thus is goddess
    El + im (Elim) = Gods (noun, masc, plural)
    Eloh + ot (Elohot) = Gods, (noun, fem, plural)

    Eloh + im = Goddess + male (suffix), plural ending
    Elohim shows female and male essences within the one word and one being.

    m y h l a (Is there a way to make this Hebrew?) Elohim
    h w h y (This too?) YHWH(funny how they use the letter “W” here, no?)
    v d q h   x w r (Holy Spirit – Ruach HaKodesh)


    Hi David-be-fun,

                YHVH means: Causes to become.

    When Moses Asked Him His name, he said…
    [אהיה אשר אהיה] ěhyäh ăsher ěhyäh, which translates into English as…
    I will be what I will be”  or  “I will be that I will be

                   YHVH=63 and “will be”=63

    Theomatics(numbers relating to God) clearly illustrate who God is.
    The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.
    [יהוה] translates directly into English as YHVH.

                                YHVH is GOD=117
    PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], and
    the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

    Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
    117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #201832
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,05:49)
    El = God (noun, masc, singular)
    Eloh = God (noun, FEMININE, singular); thus is goddess
    El + im (Elim) = Gods (noun, masc, plural)
    Eloh + ot (Elohot) = Gods, (noun, fem, plural)

    Eloh + im = Goddess + male (suffix), plural ending
    Elohim shows female and male essences within the one word and one being.

    m y h l a (Is there a way to make this Hebrew?) Elohim
    h w h y (This too?) YHWH (funny how they use the letter “W” here, no?)
    v d q h   x w r (Holy Spirit – Ruach HaKodesh)


    Hi David-be-fun,

    In Judaism, יהוה is reverenced to the degree that they don’t dare speak GOD’s Name for fear
    of saying His Name in vain. (Ex. 20:7 / Deut.5:11) The spoken use of name-omitting icons was
    inspired by this fear of saying GOD’s name in vain. The primary icon used for indirectly referencing
    יהוה is [אדני] Âd-ô-nây meaning Lord or Owner. The secondary icon used for indirectly referencing יהוה
    is [ה שם] Hä-Shəm meaning “The Name”. Name-substitutions have negatively affected people for many
    generations; producing the uncertainty of how exactly to pronounce GOD’s Name. The use of name-
    omitting icons has effectually distanced (יהוה) “GOD” further and further from His Word.

    Direct reverence of YHVH will bring people closer to their Creator. Hebrew Scriptures have two titles
    that more directly reverence the Father, these are: [אל] ĔL “GOD” (The Eternal Existing One) and
    [אלהים] ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 (“The Mighty God” or “YHVH=63 in the plural”). Christians can reverence
    (יהוה) “GOD the Father” knowing with certainty that YHVH is GOD.
    Jesus taught us to reverence יהוה with the title Father.

    Title substitutions such as Lord, God, and “LORD GOD” are being used in many religious circles.
    Titles are often used in church services as substitutions for calling GOD by His personal Name.
    Most English-speaking people either know GOD’s Name as JEHOVAH or not at all. The AKJV Bible
    has sometimes replaced [יהוה] YHVH with the correct title, “GOD”. However LORD in all-capital letters,
    is predominantly used as the exclusive replacement for יהוה in the AKJV Bible. LORD is an even less
    accurate title. This title-substitution occurs over 6,000 times in the AKJV Bible. An example of this
    is in Psalms 8:9: “O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy Name in all the earth!”

    The Authorized King James Version is the most common translation of the Bible,
    and can be proven to be as inspired by GOD the Supreme as the original (Click Here)
    Hebrew and Greek texts themselves. The AKJV Bible has GOD’s Name (יהוה) translated
    four times as JEHOVAH, and once as JAH; JEHOVAH is also used in three phrases.
    Whosoever shall call upon the name of “The LORD” shall be saved. How then
    shall they call on in Him whom they have not believed? And how shall they
    believe in Him(YHVH) of whom they have not heard? (Romans 10:13-14)
    The identity of יהוה=26 is GOD=26 spoken as YÄ=26 and YÄ-hä-vā .

    Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
    יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #201834
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    Of course Eve was taken from Adam.
    So originally Adam was different.

    God hates divorce because they truly become one again.

    #203580
    davidbfun
    Participant

    Quote (Arnold @ July 06 2010,14:23)

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:07)
    Eloh = goddess (noun, fem)(root)
    im = suffix (masc, plural)

    From this Hebrew word we can see that God (Elohim)   consists of two essences, male and female.  If God were only male the Hebrew word is El = God (noun, masc).  

    Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in God's image; male and female….if God were not male AND female God could have created humans only male.

    Holy Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh (noun, fem)
    YHWH = LORD (noun, masc)(Title not a Name)
    Elohim = two together (One = yachid; 'Echad; united)

    Jesus is the “son of God” and Jesus talked about his Father but it appears that no one thinks about his Mother who begat him (Holy Spirit).

    We, humans, are only copies of the things of Heaven and were created in God's likeness and image and the Bible says that we are created in God's image male and female; therefore God must have these two essences also.  

    God walked among men in the Old Testament but also sends His Spirit  onto men showing that God has a body and spirit; just as we do.  Our bodies will die but our spirits will live on eternally.

    God's likeness = body, spirit
    God's image = male, female

    David : )

    :)  :)


    You need to understand what is meant by “image”.
    Speaking of Jesus.

    Col 1:15   Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  

    What was the “image” Jesus was created in? “spirit”, invisible.
    Man was not created in that same image, man is not spirit.
    Besides “being” spirit, invisible; God has a spirit/mind, and so do we; that is the image God created us in, it enables us to communicate with God.


    Hi Arnold,

    I thought the same thing….how can you be an image of something invisible. So let's start with your premise, Jesus began as spirit and invisible, then as he grew he obtained (or grew) a physical body. Somewhere along the line as the son of God he took on a body (angelic/heavenly) whereby Melchizedek supposedly looked like him. The only facts that “prove” that he had a body is when somene said that he looked like the son of God (fiery furnace w/Daniels's friends, Melchizedek) showing that they saw a physical being.

    Phil 2 says that he emptied himself when he took on the form of man (was an angel, left that body to become man)

    You can't see “words”, so as the Word of God he'd be invisible, nor could you “see” him as “truth”, “light of orld”, “way” “living water””bread”, etc. I read that everything was created out of “nothing” (which you can't see, but now has a physical form).

    We infer that he was The Angel of the Lord (but I haven't seen any direct evidence of such).

    He must have been something like a “butterfly”, beginning as a caterpillar (spirit) and ending up a butterfly (angel).

    God (Elohim) began as spirit but we see two separate essences at work YHVH and Holy Spirit with YHVH having a physical body (and a spirit that he sends forth).

    Our physical bodies die and return to dust but we will be “clothed” in another incorruptible body. so if we will transform and have a “physical” body then why couldn't God who is spirit, clothe himself in a human form.

    Going back to the topic of Elohim and having two essences; I was reminded of the word 'Echad (ONE) when I read Gen 1:3 whereby evening and morning were ONE day. Just like a day can't be complete without everning or morning, God isn't complete without male or female essence. Also, the female essence isn't “part” of the male essence or his “force” but is herself distinct and separate as The Holy Spirit. Many people's theology destroys her because translators mistakenly place the pronoun “He” when referring her.

    I tried doing a poll to see how the people think regarding a female essence within God and the people won't vote.

    Arnold, your comment is thought provoking because as Elohim, and spirit, and Col 1:15 saying Jesus is in the image of the invisible God, your idea is the only logical conclusion to be made, their offspring would be born like them, spirit.

    How or when he transformed we don't know.

    #206307
    davidbfun
    Participant

    Quote (Arnold @ July 06 2010,14:23)

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:07)
    Eloh = goddess (noun, fem)(root)
    im = suffix (masc, plural)

    From this Hebrew word we can see that God (Elohim)   consists of two essences, male and female.  If God were only male the Hebrew word is El = God (noun, masc).  

    Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in God's image; male and female….if God were not male AND female God could have created humans only male.

    Holy Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh (noun, fem)
    YHWH = LORD (noun, masc)(Title not a Name)
    Elohim = two together (One = yachid; 'Echad; united)

    Jesus is the “son of God” and Jesus talked about his Father but it appears that no one thinks about his Mother who begat him (Holy Spirit).

    We, humans, are only copies of the things of Heaven and were created in God's likeness and image and the Bible says that we are created in God's image male and female; therefore God must have these two essences also.  

    God walked among men in the Old Testament but also sends His Spirit  onto men showing that God has a body and spirit; just as we do.  Our bodies will die but our spirits will live on eternally.

    God's likeness = body, spirit
    God's image = male, female

    David : )

    :)  :)


    You need to understand what is meant by “image”.
    Speaking of Jesus.

    Col 1:15   Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  

    What was the “image” Jesus was created in? “spirit”, invisible.
    Man was not created in that same image, man is not spirit.
    Besides “being” spirit, invisible; God has a spirit/mind, and so do we; that is the image God created us in, it enables us to communicate with God.


    Hey Arnold (Irene or Georg?)

    Did you look at the other information about God? This is the most important.

    Elohim is one God with two essences, male and female.

    This is the FOUNDATION of God.

    #206313
    davidbfun
    Participant

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 28 2010,15:47)

    Quote (Arnold @ July 06 2010,14:23)

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:07)
    Eloh = goddess (noun, fem)(root)
    im = suffix (masc, plural)

    From this Hebrew word we can see that God (Elohim)   consists of two essences, male and female.  If God were only male the Hebrew word is El = God (noun, masc).  

    Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in God's image; male and female….if God were not male AND female God could have created humans only male.

    Holy Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh (noun, fem)
    YHWH = LORD (noun, masc)(Title not a Name)
    Elohim = two together (One = yachid; 'Echad; united)

    Jesus is the “son of God” and Jesus talked about his Father but it appears that no one thinks about his Mother who begat him (Holy Spirit).

    We, humans, are only copies of the things of Heaven and were created in God's likeness and image and the Bible says that we are created in God's image male and female; therefore God must have these two essences also.  

    God walked among men in the Old Testament but also sends His Spirit  onto men showing that God has a body and spirit; just as we do.  Our bodies will die but our spirits will live on eternally.

    God's likeness = body, spirit
    God's image = male, female

    David : )

    :)  :)


    You need to understand what is meant by “image”.
    Speaking of Jesus.

    Col 1:15   Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  

    What was the “image” Jesus was created in? “spirit”, invisible.
    Man was not created in that same image, man is not spirit.
    Besides “being” spirit, invisible; God has a spirit/mind, and so do we; that is the image God created us in, it enables us to communicate with God.


    Hey Arnold (Irene or Georg?)

    Did you look at the other information about God?  This is the most important.

    Elohim is one God with two essences, male and female.

    This is the FOUNDATION of God.


    Hi Irene,

    I now know I put too much info into this thread.

    I should've limited the topic to the first two chapters of Genesis.

    Gen 1:2 says ורוח אלהים Spirit Elohim; but is translated God's Spirit

    Gen 2:4 says יהוה אלהים YHVH Elohim; and is translated LORD God. Why not translate in like manner and say God's YHVH?

    Then this shows that God/Elohim has two parts Ruach/Spirit
    and YHVH/LORD….and is very clear.

    YHVH is part of Elohim.
    Holy Spirit is part of Elohim.

    It does not show that Holy Spirit is part of YHVH (El).

    Elohim = God Most High (YHVH & Holy Spirit)

    #206325
    davidbfun
    Participant

    Quote (Arnold @ July 06 2010,14:23)

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:07)
    Eloh = goddess (noun, fem)(root)
    im = suffix (masc, plural)

    From this Hebrew word we can see that God (Elohim)   consists of two essences, male and female.  If God were only male the Hebrew word is El = God (noun, masc).  

    Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in God's image; male and female….if God were not male AND female God could have created humans only male.

    Holy Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh (noun, fem)
    YHWH = LORD (noun, masc)(Title not a Name)
    Elohim = two together (One = yachid; 'Echad; united)

    Jesus is the “son of God” and Jesus talked about his Father but it appears that no one thinks about his Mother who begat him (Holy Spirit).

    We, humans, are only copies of the things of Heaven and were created in God's likeness and image and the Bible says that we are created in God's image male and female; therefore God must have these two essences also.  

    God walked among men in the Old Testament but also sends His Spirit  onto men showing that God has a body and spirit; just as we do.  Our bodies will die but our spirits will live on eternally.

    God's likeness = body, spirit
    God's image = male, female

    David : )

    :)  :)


    You need to understand what is meant by “image”.
    Speaking of Jesus.

    Col 1:15   Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  

    What was the “image” Jesus was created in? “spirit”, invisible.
    Man was not created in that same image, man is not spirit.
    Besides “being” spirit, invisible; God has a spirit/mind, and so do we; that is the image God created us in, it enables us to communicate with God.


    Hello Irene,  (A Postscript)

    If you put together Spirit Elohim and translate it as God's Spirit you'll see that Spirit is a part of Elohim.

    Then put together YHVH Elohim and translate it as God's YHVH you will see that YHVH is NOT a name, but a part of Elohim, just like Spirit.

    If people try to force Spirit and YHVH as being names this is how it would come out:

    Spirit of Elohim.
    YHVH of Elohim.  

    However Spirit and YHVH are objects “of” Elohim….and cannot be names. From the beginning.

    #206534
    RokkaMan
    Participant

    What is the difference between a Male and a Female spiritually?

    Really nothing…

    women are maybe more intimate and nurturing…

    Male are more instructive, commanding and maybe creative?

    ——

    In the end, we all have access to these qualities but spiritually, male lean towards one set of qualities while females lean towards the other…

    but basically we are the same spiritually…

    ——

    As God the originator of these qualities and spirits, he would encompass all of these things.

    So to say he in essence and spirit is male and female I can agree.

    ——

    We call him father because The Father is which that has authority.

    but wouldn't it be his female essence that truly loves and nurtures us as children? The intemant side we can call The Holy Spirit?

    #206678
    davidbfun
    Participant

    Quote (RokkaMan @ July 29 2010,11:08)
    What is the difference between a Male and a Female spiritually?

    Really nothing…

    women are maybe more intimate and nurturing…

    Male are more instructive, commanding and maybe creative?

    ——

    In the end, we all have access to these qualities but spiritually, male lean towards one set of qualities while females lean towards the other…

    but basically we are the same spiritually…

    ——

    As God the originator of these qualities and spirits, he would encompass all of these things.

    So to say he in essence and spirit is male and female I can agree.

    ——

    We call him father because The Father is which that has authority.

    but wouldn't it be his female essence that truly loves and nurtures us as children? The intemant side we can call The Holy Spirit?


    Hey RM,

    Some good questions.

    I don't know the diff between a male and female spirit.
    I know together they produced an offspring called the only begotten son of God, and he is the firstborn of all creation.
    The rest of the “sons of God” were formed out of the dust or in another way for the angels.

    The male essence of Elohim, YHVH, has all those traits you mentioned especially commanding: He is a King and Priest..and has a physical presence; sits on Throne and His son, Prince of Peace, looks exactly like Him (amazing, no?) and sits on the right hand of YHVH. (YHVH must be left handed, lol) :)

    David

    The female essence of Elohim dwells inside of us and is nuturing,Helper, Counselor, and is the Power behind God.

    #206679
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 29 2010,22:54)
    Hey RM,

    I don't know the diff between a male and female spirit.
    I know together they produced an offspring called the only begotten son of God, and he is the firstborn of all creation.
    The rest of the “sons of God” were formed out of the dust or in another way for the angels.

    David


    Hi David,

    Rom.8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,
    that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (John 3:34 / Rom.8:16-17)

    Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #206730
    davidbfun
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2010,07:07)

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 29 2010,22:54)
    Hey RM,

    I don't know the diff between a male and female spirit.
    I know together they produced an offspring called the only begotten son of God, and he is the firstborn of all creation.
    The rest of the “sons of God” were formed out of the dust or in another way for the angels.

    David


    Hi David,

    Rom.8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,
    that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (John 3:34 / Rom.8:16-17)

    Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed, thanks for the Scripture;

    In accordance with the topic:

    Notice in Romans 8:26-28 how the word Spirit is used (noun, neuter) and then they put the pronouns He and Himself.  A neuter noun takes the pronoun “it”.  This is the deception I am trying to point out for everyone.  In Hebrew “Spirit” is a feminine noun. If you don't see the deception now you will allow yourself to deceived the rest of your life.

    Greek scholars miss this information because they are too wrapped up in Greek words and don't understand the Hebrew word structures.

    Notice how “it” has its own autonomy….acts on its own on behalf of God (Elohim). Thereby pointing out that “she” is a separate personage from God (Elohim).

    v.27 the SPIRIT intercedes for us…..

    v.28 God is causing things to work together if you love God and are called……

    How does God work things together? Thru the Holy Spirit.

    Romans 8:26  In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;
    27- and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
    28- And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

    #206737
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 30 2010,09:42)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2010,07:07)

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 29 2010,22:54)
    Hey RM,

    I don't know the diff between a male and female spirit.
    I know together they produced an offspring called the only begotten son of God, and he is the firstborn of all creation.
    The rest of the “sons of God” were formed out of the dust or in another way for the angels.

    David


    Hi David,

    Rom.8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,
    that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (John 3:34 / Rom.8:16-17)

    Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed, thanks for the Scripture;

    In accordance with the topic:

    Notice in Romans 8:26-28 how the word Spirit is used (noun, neuter) and then they put the pronouns He and Himself.  A neuter noun takes the pronoun “it”.  This is the deception I am trying to point out for everyone.  In Hebrew “Spirit” is a feminine noun. If you don't see the deception now you will allow yourself to deceived the rest of your life.

    Greek scholars miss this information because they are too wrapped up in Greek words and don't understand the Hebrew word structures.

    Notice how “it” has its own autonomy….acts on its own on behalf of God (Elohim). Thereby pointing out that “she” is a separate personage from God (Elohim).

    v.27 the SPIRIT intercedes for us…..

    v.28 God is causing things to work together if you love God and are called……

    How does God work things together?  Thru the Holy Spirit.

    Romans 8:26  In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;
    27- and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
    28- And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.


    To David,

    In written grammar there is what is called the article.
    In the English we have a total of Three articles; both the
    definite and the indefinite. The word THE is the definite article.
    The definite article is used to define something or someone that is
    definite. A and AN are both indefinite articles being less specific. There
    is only one article in Hebrew
    [ה], it is definite and pronounced Hä and Hey.
    It's used twice in GOD’s Holy Name יהוה pronounced YÄ-hä-vā and spelled YHVH
    in English. There's at least 12 different articles in Greek; and all of them are definite.
    The determining factor for which one that is used is based upon whether the case is Dative,
    Nominative, Genitive, Vocative, or Accusative. Some of the Greek articles are ο, τον, του, and τω.

    Conclusion: Each and every time “an indefinite article” is used in The Scriptures it is ALWAYS used at
    the translators discretion
    ; nothing to build doctrine on! (Isaiah 55:8-9) And in like manor ALL personal
    pronouns
    (He, She, Him, Her, His & it) ALL originate form ONE GREEK WORD: [αὐτός] (autos) ow-tos'!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #206749
    davidbfun
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2010,18:01)

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 30 2010,09:42)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2010,07:07)

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 29 2010,22:54)
    Hey RM,

    I don't know the diff between a male and female spirit.
    I know together they produced an offspring called the only begotten son of God, and he is the firstborn of all creation.
    The rest of the “sons of God” were formed out of the dust or in another way for the angels.

    David


    Hi David,

    Rom.8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,
    that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (John 3:34 / Rom.8:16-17)

    Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed, thanks for the Scripture;

    In accordance with the topic:

    Notice in Romans 8:26-28 how the word Spirit is used (noun, neuter) and then they put the pronouns He and Himself.  A neuter noun takes the pronoun “it”.  This is the deception I am trying to point out for everyone.  In Hebrew “Spirit” is a feminine noun. If you don't see the deception now you will allow yourself to deceived the rest of your life.

    Greek scholars miss this information because they are too wrapped up in Greek words and don't understand the Hebrew word structures.

    Notice how “it” has its own autonomy….acts on its own on behalf of God (Elohim). Thereby pointing out that “she” is a separate personage from God (Elohim).

    v.27 the SPIRIT intercedes for us…..

    v.28 God is causing things to work together if you love God and are called……

    How does God work things together?  Thru the Holy Spirit.

    Romans 8:26  In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;
    27- and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
    28- And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.


    To David,

    In written grammar there is what is called the article.
    In the English we have a total of Three articles; both the
    definite and the indefinite. The word THE is the definite article.
    The definite article is used to define something or someone that is
    definite. A and AN are both indefinite articles being less specific. There
    is only one article in Hebrew
    [ה], it is definite and pronounced Hä and Hey.
    It's used twice in GOD’s Holy Name יהוה pronounced YÄ-hä-vā and spelled YHVH
    in English. There's at least 12 different articles in Greek; and all of them are definite.
    The determining factor for which one that is used is based upon whether the case is Dative,
    Nominative, Genitive, Vocative, or Accusative. Some of the Greek articles are ο, τον, του, and τω.

    Conclusion: Each and every time “an indefinite article” is used in The Scriptures it is ALWAYS used at
    the translators discretion
    ; nothing to build doctrine on! (Isaiah 55:8-9) And in like manor ALL personal
    pronouns
    (He, She, Him, Her, His & it) ALL originate form ONE GREEK WORD: [αὐτός] (autos) ow-tos'!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Thanks Ed,

    I noticed the autos lol.

    However, one problem is…..not many people know Greek. In America they read English or here in Colombia, Spanish and all they know is what they read in their language.

    And if you put He for the Holy Spirit and it's a She, how will anyone know the truth.

    And as RM pointed out, what's the diff?  And others here say, “Who cares?”   And as you pointed out clearly the translators chose to deceive the people and then the people say, “It's no big deal!”

    In America they are calling “evil” good.  And nothing is wrong with homosexuality and talking about it in the schools but God and the Bible is banned.

    HIV is so rampant the government doesn't want it to be reported.

    Tell me what is so wrong with seeing Elohim (God Most High)with two essences…YHVH (masc) and Holy Spirit (fem)? When a person can see this relationship then the rest of the Bible begins to fall in place without having to explain incongruencies.

    I did not create this information, I just found it…it has always been there.

    ….and in the last days knowledge will increase.

    #206756
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 30 2010,11:00)
    Thanks Ed,

    And as you pointed out clearly the translators chose to deceive the people and then the people say, “It's no big deal!”


    Hi David,

    Why are you putting 'spin' on my words?
    I said NO SUCH THING! I merely said it was
    the translators discretion which pronoun to use.

    And I also said: “nothing to build doctrine on”!
    The more you study the clearer the big picture gets.

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #206757
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi David,

    Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (In The AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
    Isaiah 28:11: For with stammering lips and another tongue(That is English) will he speak to this people.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #206796
    davidbfun
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2010,19:34)

    Quote (davidbfun @ July 30 2010,11:00)
    Thanks Ed,

    And as you pointed out clearly the translators chose to deceive the people and then the people say, “It's no big deal!”


    Hi David,

    Why are you putting 'spin' on my words?
    I said NO SUCH THING! I merely said it was
    the translators discretion which pronoun to use.

    And I also said: “nothing to build doctrine on”!
    The more you study the clearer the big picture gets.

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed,

    If the translators chose to use “He” instead of “She” are they not deceiving the people? And from these translations people trust the translators and build their theology…and doctrines.

    Ed, from the responses I've gotten at hn the people don't care about God being male and female…they only want God to be a “He”.

    I posted '”TWO WORDS” from Gen 1:2 and Gen 2:4 and no one has taken notice or understood.

    Gen 1:2  RuachElohim
    Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim

    I ask that you please talk only about these two words in Gen 1:2 and Gen 2:4 and not about concepts elsewhere:

    We know that “Elohim” above….is “God”.

    “Ruach” is not Elohim; but is a part of Elohim
    “YHVH” is not Elohim; but is a part of Elohim

    Thus the translators translated Gen 1:2 as Spirit of God.
    If we were to translate consistently Gen 2:4 should be YHVH of God.

    Thereby making YHVH and Spirit “objects” OF God and not God.

    As objects of God (Elohim) YHVH and Spirit cannot be the Personal Name of God (Elohim)….they are OF God.  Actually the only noun that could be a name is Elohim i.e Elohim's Spirit or Elohim's YHVH.

    But, if you do go that way saying the word before Elohim is a name then “Spirit” must be the Name of God, if you make YHVH the Name of God. But, as I explained above, they are OBJECTS of God and not NAMES.

    #206798
    david
    Participant

    Quote
    “YHVH” is not Elohim; but is a part of Elohim

    “Know that Jehovah is God.”–Ps 100:3

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