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Ed J, it is not a hard question.
It is also a question with a required answer.
Remember you can answer, “I don't know”.
It is a fair question and please let your yes be yes and your no be no.Here it is again. Please do not avoid the question again.
If you do, then it will be reported to a moderator and the process begins.If you had a complete list of all words with an English Gematria of 74, could people join up words as you do, to prove many diverse and contradictory ideas.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2013,08:28) Ed J, it is not a hard question.
It is also a question with a required answer.
Remember you can answer, “I don't know”.
It is a fair question and please let your yes be yes and your no be no.Here it is again. Please do not avoid the question again.
If you do, then it will be reported to a moderator and the process begins.If you had a complete list of all words with an English Gematria of 74, could people join up words as you do, to prove many diverse and contradictory ideas.
Hi T8,Is that going to be your choice then (see the last post of mine for my terms): if you want my answers limited
to ONLY those those three responses, instead of giving you the comprehensive answers you may want?If it is, than that is all you will get in this thread, no explanations, NO INFORMATION.
I just want to make sure that is “YOUR CHOICE” before we begin; well is it?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgLast chance.
Yes, No, I don't know.
It is a fair question. It may or may not relate to you directly, but it is a fair question.
Quote (heaven @ Feb. 07 2013,10:03) Last chance. Yes, No, I don't know.
It is a fair question. It may or may not relate to you directly, but it is a fair question.
OK, since you're sure you made up your mind then.
This is the last post (in this thread) with information.“I don't Know”
Cool. We have made progess.
I believe it is obvious that there would be enough words adding up to that number that you could link any manner of words together. Angel = trash etc. Okay technically not 74 perhaps, but I am sure if I had the list I could be that ridiculous when linking words.
But if you cannot see that, then fair enough. I can't say it is wrong to not understand that or to not have a good grasp of probability and logic.
Now you can ask me your question.
A simple calculation in your head starting with the highest Gematraic word in English divided by all the words in the English dictionary and averaging that out would certainly leave a lot of words that add up to 74. Surely that list would be long and diverse. Enough to join words as you do, and yet make connections that are not true and even inappropriate.
It's about numbers and how relevant they are in scripture.
More about possible Gematria that makes up speeches you see in scripture.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2013,21:35) In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74;
also in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74; even the word “English”=74.
So do the words mashies, & shingle add up to 74. I know that because these words use the same letters.Messiah = mashies
English = shingleJust as English is the top language in the world so it is that a shingle is the top layer of a roof. And if all the languages were a house, then English is the roof so to speak.
Just as a mashie is a five iron used in golf, so it is that Messiah is like the club and we are the ball. If we are still, we will be struck in the right direction.
T8 Bible Code 238490–^%$*& program ending…………Wake up Neo……What is the Matrix……
T8 Bible Code is a production of the Children's Television Workshop. Today's number is 74. Be sure to include it in your Lotto numbers. And again, if you win, don't forget to thank me with cash.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2013,14:04) Ed J. Can I ask another question. Or do you want to?
I have a new question.
“Yes”T8 posted:
Quote GOD thus sends astray whomever he wills
Hi T8,Do you really believe that?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2013,22:33) T8. Do you think it is ok to replace God and the heavenly host with numbers?
wakeup.
Yes it is wrong to replace God with anything.But it might not be replacement. At best numerics in scripture may be a sort of proof that there was an intelligence beyond man that inspired scripture by reason of the complex math in the words that show true mathematical patterns. A bit like AI viewing the code of his instruction manual and seeing the work of an intelligence in the code that makes up the instructions thereby giving good proof that the manual is written by someone likely to be his God or at least superior in intelligence than the AI.
While I believe that Hebrew, and Greek have interesting numerical patterns in the words, that seems more legit to me because the numbers are built right into the alphabet and so words in those language lend themselves to being read as numbers too. And we are invited for example to count the number 666 to work certain things out.
While the Beast equals 666 it is interesting to me that Jesus equals 888. However, as I said, these languages are also number systems, so I don't think it is wrong to also view them that way. So long as the primary way is that it is viewed as words and language as it was intended.
But the problem I have is Ed's English Gematria that has an invented base of 6 or whatever base that Ed actually uses. To me that is purely made up and it provides no proof of anything especially to Atheists. I think all he is doing is pushing them further away from God by putting them off with this nutty teaching. I say nutty because that is what they think of his numbers.
And his view that the KJV is the only true translation in light of its many known mistakes is also bad reasoning from him. To date, I have never met an normal person who believed that the KJV is the only true translation of the Bible. ALl I have met with that view seriously erred in other ways. To name a few errs, I am talking about prison for sexual crimes, being the leader of a cult, etc. Could be coincidence of course. But I think there is a pattern. Nutty teaching and nutty actions go hand in hand.
Hi T8,You give credence to the number 888, but not to the number 74, which
is definitely a “factor”; I suggest you cease from attempting to limit “YHVH”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2013,20:06) Hi T8, In making outlines we use the English Alphabet in the exact same way
Hebrew and Geek letters are used to illustrate numbers.A=1, B=2, C=3, …Z=26.
This is the bases for
“English”(74) “Gematria”(74).God bless
Ed J
Hi T8,This shows that “74”, is a pivotal number which associates “Theomatically” to Jesus:
Theomatics
“Jesus Christ” (74x32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).“Gematria”=74
In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74; even the word “English”=74.Prime Number Counterparts
“JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.
Furthermore: “The King” equals 74 as well, which is at the center of this verse.See how the 74th prime number (373) also associates Theomatically to Jesus in the infamous Pilot plaque.
These are THE FACTS, you can attempt to dispute them of course, but that DOESN'T changes “the facts”.Diversions, of course, prove nothing. …But
you are welcome to continue to try using them.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:52) Ed J. Whether you do that or not is irrelivant at this point. I am building a case. Thanks.
Hi T8,If you agree that I have not done that,
then there is nothing in your 'case'.
Only empty irrelevant charges.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,05:44) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2013,22:33) T8. Do you think it is ok to replace God and the heavenly host with numbers?
wakeup.
Yes it is wrong to replace God with anything.But it might not be replacement. At best numerics in scripture may be a sort of proof that there was an intelligence beyond man that inspired scripture by reason of the complex math in the words that show true mathematical patterns. A bit like AI viewing the code of his instruction manual and seeing the work of an intelligence in the code that makes up the instructions thereby giving good proof that the manual is written by someone likely to be his God or at least superior in intelligence than the AI.
While I believe that Hebrew, and Greek have interesting numerical patterns in the words, that seems more legit to me because the numbers are built right into the alphabet and so words in those language lend themselves to being read as numbers too. And we are invited for example to count the number 666 to work certain things out.
While the Beast equals 666 it is interesting to me that Jesus equals 888. However, as I said, these languages are also number systems, so I don't think it is wrong to also view them that way. So long as the primary way is that it is viewed as words and language as it was intended.
But the problem I have is Ed's English Gematria that has an invented base of 6 or whatever base that Ed actually uses. To me that is purely made up and it provides no proof of anything especially to Atheists. I think all he is doing is pushing them further away from God by putting them off with this nutty teaching. I say nutty because that is what they think of his numbers.
And his view that the KJV is the only true translation in light of its many known mistakes is also bad reasoning from him. To date, I have never met an normal person who believed that the KJV is the only true translation of the Bible. ALl I have met with that view seriously erred in other ways. To name a few errs, I am talking about prison for sexual crimes, being the leader of a cult, etc. Could be coincidence of course. But I think there is a pattern. Nutty teaching and nutty actions go hand in hand.
Hi T8,You give credence to the number 888, but not to the number 74, which
is definitely a “factor”; I suggest you cease from attempting to limit “YHVH”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi T8,God can work in Hebrew and Greek, but not “English”, is that what you are suggesting?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPretty obvious what I am saying Ed J.
Hebrew, Greek, and other languages use their letters as numbers.
This is not the case with English.
Therefore, to make it have a Gematria, a person has to completely fabricate a number system based on English.
Do we use a base of six? Do we make each letter go up in one unit? Do we make each letter an even number? Or what about each letter being a unit of one hundred or sixty like we use in minutes.See that Ed J. It is something you have to invent.
Thus I could have a different pattern to you that perhaps suit my agenda and then we could both argue as to which one is right, even though both would be wrong.Ed J, what you are doing is making this stuff up.
Also, if Jesus is 888 and Christ a multiple of 8 as well as saviour.
Then why doesn't your English Gematria follow suit or at least make the same correlations.
If it did, then that would be something. But English words that are grouped together by numbers doesn't match the original languages one.And even if you realised that and focussed on the original languages, then that still is not as important as what the scripture actually says.
Also, what about the Maori Bible? Maori is the native people and language of New Zealand. Should I go around telling people that this translation is inspired because the word 'sword' happened to equal the word 'spirit' for (hypothetical) example.
It is not hard to see my point Ed J. Yet when I challenge you regarding this, you need to be pushed to the absolute last degree before an answer is forthcoming. That in itself is very telling of how shifty you are in this. You are happy to teach it at every moment, but defending it seems to be in short supply. That is suspicious behaviour.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,06:09) T8 posted: Quote GOD thus sends astray whomever he wills
Hi T8,Do you really believe that?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J, if you cannot fathom the point, then I will try and speak in a more shallow sense so you can understand.I will spell this one out for you. No I don't believe that. The point of the video is to show how you can make any religion seem like the right one when you play with the numbers.
Sorry if this was too complicated for you to see.
A list of words that equal 74.
- Jesus
- Messiah
- Gospel
- Parables
- Cross
- Jewish
- English
- Occult
- Tarot
- Gematria
See how your predefined belief plays a part.
If you believe it to be absolute truth and proof for the AKJV, then you can connect (Jesus / Messiah / Gospel).
If you beleive it is divination or false, then you can equally correlate (Occult / Tarot / Gematria).
Since I hear you making posts similar to the first example and others making posts that accuse you of something similar to the second example, then who is right?
See how varying beliefs can easily be manipulated with English Gematria? It can pretty much be used to prove anything and let's face it, everything cannot be truth.
I will say it again. Can you see that or not?
Or are you willing to see that or will you remain blind to this fact?
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