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I would like to challenge Ed J about his English Gematria in the KJV Bible theory. Why? Because I want to help him and I also would like to see him cease to use this argument against Atheists as proof of God and as proof that the KJV is the true Bible.
I think he brings disrepute to the faith when he engages with Atheists about this. I think it is nutty and I think Atheists think that too. The problem is of course, they can write off belief in God as being nutty too after talking with him and that means he has helped push someone further away from God.
I don't think that is very fair on these Atheists. We have had a good chance to receive God's mercy by how the message was presented to us because we are Believers today. What about them? Should we not give them the best we can offer rather than another excuse to reject God?
The next post will be a copy and paste from another topic and we can go from there. Others can feel free to join in too.
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https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y387339Ed J. Sometimes you need to see what others think of you beacause they see things you cannot. People who look into this subject usually can see that numbers can be made to say anything. Especially if they were able to see a list of words with the English gematria of 74 for example.
Besides being blind to that easy to see idea, you are also very hard to understand and I am not sure if that is a result of an unclear mind or you do it on purpose to avoid answering questions, or what. I don't even know what the question is you are asking and I don't feel satisfied that you answered my question at all.
Make it simple.
Post my question, then put in your answer.
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If you had a complete list of all words with an English Gematria of 74, could people join up words as you do, to prove many diverse and contradictory ideas.
Yes or No then followed by your explanation.
Further explanation below that may help you to understand the question in blue.
So when you says Jesus = 74 Beautiful = 74,
others could say Jesus = 74 and then take the worse word that equaled 74 in that list and apply it to Jesus in exactly the same fashion as you.Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:23) Taken from here:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y387339Ed J. Sometimes you need to see what others think of you beacause they see things you cannot. People who look into this subject usually can see that numbers can be made to say anything. Especially if they were able to see a list of words with the English gematria of 74 for example.
Besides being blind to that easy to see idea, you are also very hard to understand and I am not sure if that is a result of an unclear mind or you do it on purpose to avoid answering questions, or what. I don't even know what the question is you are asking and I don't feel satisfied that you answered my question at all.
Make it simple.
Post my question, then put in your answer.
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T8.Do you think it is ok to replace God and the heavenly host with numbers?
wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:21) I would like to challenge Ed J about his English Gematria in the KJV Bible theory. Why? Because I want to help him and I also would like to see him cease to use this argument against Athiests as proof of God and as proof that the KJV is the true Bible. I think he brings disrepute to the faith when he engages with Atheists about this. I think it is nutty and I think Atheists think that too. The problem is of course, they can write off belief in God as being nutty too after talking with him.
I don't think that is very fair on them. We have had a good chance to receive God's mercy by how the message was presented to us. What about them? Should we not give them the best we can offer rather than another excuse to reject God?
The next post will be a copy and paste from another topic and we can go from there. Others can feel free to join in too.
Is this thread going to be about speeches?Ed J, you can see clearly what this thread is about.
I have asked a simple question. I need an answer.
After that, you can ask a question and I will answer and we can keep going to and fro till we have a complete understanding of each other's view regarding this.Hi T8,
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:32) If you had a complete list of all words with an English Gematria of 74, could people join up words as you do, to prove many diverse and contradictory ideas.
That's not what I'm doing. So for you to suggest that proves that
you do not understand at all what I have been illustrating. Which is:That the “AKJV Bible” can be proven to be inspired.
If this disturbs you, then that is not my problem.Stringing words together outside of biblical text to prove one's own belief is not what I have done.
So your question is irrelevant. But I will still answer before you threaten me with the bully punishment tile stick.A. Stringing words together outside of biblical text don't prove anything.
If you would actually read my posts, you might not hold me is such low esteem.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2013,22:33) T8. Do you think it is ok to replace God and the heavenly host with numbers?
wakeup.
Yes it is wrong to replace God with anything.But it might not be replacement. At best numerics in scripture may be a sort of proof that there was an intelligence beyond man that inspired scripture by reason of the complex math in the words that show true mathematical patterns. A bit like AI viewing the code of his instruction manual and seeing the work of an intelligence in the code that makes up the instructions thereby giving good proof that the manual is written by someone likely to be his God or at least superior in intelligence than the AI.
While I believe that Hebrew, and Greek have interesting numerical patterns in the words, that seems more legit to me because the numbers are built right into the alphabet and so words in those language lend themselves to being read as numbers too. And we are invited for example to count the number 666 to work certain things out.
While the Beast equals 666 it is interesting to me that Jesus equals 888. However, as I said, these languages are also number systems, so I don't think it is wrong to also view them that way. So long as the primary way is that it is viewed as words and language as it was intended.
But the problem I have is Ed's English Gematria that has an invented base of 6 or whatever base that Ed actually uses. To me that is purely made up and it provides no proof of anything especially to Atheists. I think all he is doing is pushing them further away from God by putting them off with this nutty teaching. I say nutty because that is what they think of his numbers.
And his view that the KJV is the only true translation in light of its many known mistakes is also bad reasoning from him. To date, I have never met an normal person who believed that the KJV is the only true translation of the Bible. ALl I have met with that view seriously erred in other ways. To name a few errs, I am talking about prison for sexual crimes, being the leader of a cult, etc. Could be coincidence of course. But I think there is a pattern. Nutty teaching and nutty actions go hand in hand.
Ed J. Whether you do that or not is irrelivant at this point. I am building a case.
Answer the question. Yes or No. And then provide an explanation to your reasoning.
You are then free to express that you are not doing this yourself.
You can even spend your questions on making the case that you are not doing this.So please answer my question.
Thanks.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2013,22:33) T8. Do you think it is ok to replace God and the heavenly host with numbers?
wakeup.
Yes it is wrong to replace God with anything.But it might not be replacement. At best numerics in scripture may be a sort of proof that there was an intelligence
beyond man that inspired scripture by reason of the complex math in the words that show true mathematical patterns.
Hi T8,I guess you do get it after all.
After all, that is all this is about.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J, my first question is what it is.
My second question will be the same question, but restricted to the book of the Bible.Can you see my method now? Please do not be offended or jump the gun.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:49) But it might not be replacement. At best numerics in scripture may be a sort of proof that there was an intelligence beyond man that inspired scripture by reason of the complex math in the words that show true mathematical patterns. While I believe that Hebrew, and Greek have interesting numerical patterns in the words, that seems more legit to me because the numbers are built right into the alphabet and so words in those language lend themselves to being read as numbers too.
But the problem I have is Ed's English Gematria that has an invented base of 6 or whatever base that Ed actually uses.
Hi T8,In making outlines we use the English Alphabet in the exact same way
Hebrew and Geek letters are used to illustrate numbers.A=1, B=2, C=3, …Z=26.
This is the bases for
“English”(74) “Gematria”(74).God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:49) the problem I have is Ed's English Gematria that has an invented base of 6 or whatever base that Ed actually uses.
To me that is purely made up and it provides no proof of anything especially to Atheists.
Hi T8,Well I guess you're going to let yourself become Educated then,
at least until you run away. (run away as in abandoning this dialog)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:52) Ed J. Whether you do that or not is irrelivant at this point. I am building a case. Answer the question. Yes or No. And then provide an explanation to your reasoning.
You are then free to express that you are not doing this yourself.
You can even spend your questions on making the case that you are not doing this.So please answer my question.
Thanks.
Hi T8,It would be speculation (on my part) to attempt to explain what
others reasoning might be for stringing words together with matching totals.If you want me to quit posting here, JUST PLAINLY SAY SO!
No need for you to proffer yourself as some righteous judicator,
using your 'witch hunt' as an excuse to tile me out for not bending the knee.explanation to your reasoning
If you want me to limit my answers to “Yes”, “No” or “I don't know” –
– you will get NO EXPLANATIONS and your 'witch hunt' ends in failure.If, however, you are free to ask me whatever you want, and you are truly seeking information, then
my answers cannot be limited TO YOUR SET OF PRECONCEIVED ANSWERS. (you, my brother, are NOT my boss)THE THREAT OF THE PUNISHMENT TILE STICK MUST BE REMOVED FROM THIS DISCOURSE, PERIOD!
If you remember correctly, it was my suggestion that you create
“The Hot Seat” to document those who refuse to answer questions.I have always answered everyone's questions that were asked to me, take a poll and ask them all if you doubt my words.
But I refuse to be on trial, bullied, stamped, indexed, nor will I bend a knee to Baal.So either I will give you answers without any limitations.
Or else, I will give you 'your limitations' without any answers.Your call (those are MY conditions).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHere is a pertinent Scripture that I must post at this point: (Matt 10:11-14)
“And into whatsoever city or town [or Forum] ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy;
and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into an house, salute it.
And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy,
let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words,
when ye depart out of that house or city [or Forum], shake off the dust of your feet.“Let it be known to all here that it was T8's bullying
that has caused “Nick Hassan” to stop posting here.Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2013,21:12) Here is a pertinent Scripture that I must post at this point: (Matt 10:11-14) “And into whatsoever city or town [or Forum] ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy;
and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into an house, salute it.
And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy,
let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words,
when ye depart out of that house or city [or Forum], shake off the dust of your feet.“Let it be known to all here that it was T8's bullying
that has caused “Nick Hassan” to stop posting here.
“I for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.” (Psalms 120:7)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:49) To date, I have never met an normal person who believed that the KJV is the only true translation of the Bible. ALl I have met with that view seriously erred in other ways. To name a few errs, I am talking about prison for sexual crimes, being the leader of a cult, etc. Could be coincidence of course. But I think there is a pattern. Nutty teaching and nutty actions go hand in hand.
Hi T8Your portrayal here is irrelevant to “The Truth”.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:52) Ed J. Whether you do that or not is irrelivant at this point. I am building a case. Answer the question. Yes or No. And then provide an explanation to your reasoning.
You are then free to express that you are not doing this yourself.
You can even spend your questions on making the case that you are not doing this.So please answer my question.
Thanks.
Wrong,I'm free to do whatever I want.
I have been and “will continue to”
make the case that what I say is true.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:59) Ed J, my first question is what it is.
My second question will be the same question, but restricted to the book of the Bible.Can you see my method now? Please do not be offended or jump the gun.
Hi T8,No, please ask your second question,
because all my research is based on “The Bible”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2013,21:10) Hi T8, So either I will give you answers without any limitations.
Or else, I will give you 'your limitations' without any answers.Your call (those are MY conditions).
God bless
Ed J
Hi T8,If it is your choice to confine my answers to
“Yes” “No” I don't know”
If you word any question “ONLY” slightly off, so that I cannot
(in good conscience) give you the “Yes” answer you are seeking;
I will not help you to word it correctly, I will answer only either “No”
or “I don't know,” it will be my choice to choose the answer I will give. (HA Ha ha ha ha!!!)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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