- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Hi ED,
In another thread you said
“No, I don't. One may have been a rebellious Angel before coming to earth, and
since there time here on Earth have changed into a mighty worrier for YHVH.
Our time on Earth is the proof of where our heart is really at toward God.”Here is an opportunity for you to fully explain your statement.
Hi Nick, (Link)
'This is a dichotomy'.
You started this thread because you claim that you are against making assumptions, yet you
want me to make an assumption as to what a term means that I have never heard before?End the dichotomy NOW.
I need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel',
so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,20:02) Hi ED, In another thread you said
“No, I don't. One may have been a rebellious Angel before coming to earth, and
since there time here on Earth have changed into a mighty worrier for YHVH.
Our time on Earth is the proof of where our heart is really at toward God.”Here is an opportunity for you to fully explain your statement.
Hi Nick, you have already started a thread here to discuss this matter with me.
But first you must get past “the Dichotomy” you have presented for us to move forward!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
So if you will not discuss it I will make some observations.
You were speaking about us men“One may have been a rebellious Angel before coming to earth [NEW TEACHING-REBELLIOUS ANGELS COMING TO EARTH AND BECOMING MEN], and
since there time here on Earth have changed [NEW TEACHING- ANGELS REPENTING AND BEING FORGIVEN AND RENEWING AN ALLIANCE WITH GOD?]into a mighty worrier for YHVH. [NEW TEACHING- ANGELS BECOMING WARRIOR MEN]
Our time on Earth [NEW TEACHING- IMPLIES WE HAVE TIME BEFORE EARTH]is the proof of where our heart[NEW TEACHING- ALL HAVE SINNED AND NEED SALVATION] is really at toward God.”We have a teacher and should not accept new teachings.
The Spirit reminds us of his teachings
What is their origin of these??Hi Nick,
So we can have a cohesive dialog, it therefore becomes necessary
to know what “exactly” we are discussing. Defining the terms…Reincarnation: The belief that the soul, upon death of the body,
comes back to earth in another body or form.Preexistence: To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human.
I therefore need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel',
so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orghi Ed,
Should we take your silence as mute acceptance that what you offered was indefensible scripturally and you are withdrawing it?NEW AGE teachings have no place in the church of which Jesus Christ is the appointed Teacher.
Yes angels sinned and rebelled as shown in Gen 6 but their fate seems to be shown in 2 Peter and Jude and it did not include the option of a trip to earth. They are in chains awaiting judgement. There is also no written evidence that they have any opportunity of forgiveness. Neither is there any evidence that any kind of angels can become men let alone mighty warriors. It is God Who creates and Who chooses His servants and none can transform himself. All is of grace.
Yes we men have the opportunity to hear and repent and be washed and given the Spirit while we spend a few years here but no man lives before he is conceived. None deserves any credit for these responses done in obedience to the final demands of God. WE are not proving ourselves here as only the Spirit can produce useful fruit but desperately grasping at the lifebelt He threw in Jesus Christ.
Thank you for giving us the opportunity to cast some light onto the teachings you ascribe even if you refuse to but I suggest they are not from above.
Hi ED,
Why do you feel you command the right to appoint hurdles for us to leap over to satisfy you before you will enter into dialogue?
Who are you that you feel you own such rights?
Come down and join us.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,06:35) hi Ed,
Should we take your silence as mute acceptance that what you offered was indefensible scripturally and you are withdrawing it?
HardlyHi ED,
Do you think men pre exist and then are given a chance on earth to show their loyalty one way or another?
If so are they aware of the choice before they come?
Can they make good choices alone?
At what age can they choose?Hi ED,
Since you stonewall requests for clarification of your post we will have to look again at what you did say.You said
“Hi Nick,
Our Preexistence
Yes, we all preexisted our physical flesh! [RUBBISH]Thanks very much for your concern in this matter!
2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,
which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)[Yes we are chosen and called but that is of God and not because we existed at the vtime. he knows the future]
“The Word” in us!
John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness (by the HolySpirit),
because [[[ye]]] have been with me from the beginning.[they were with him from the day he was anointed]
More evidence: [YOU HAVE OFFERED NONE SO FAR]
Jer.1:5 Before I(YHVH) formed thee in the belly I knew thee; [Yes God knows the future]
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [Yes he was blessed in the womb like John the baptist]
and I(YHVH) ordained thee(Jeremiah) a prophet unto the nations. [The Spirit of prophecy was given to him]Jude speaks of Angels[No in context it is about men]
Jude:1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you,
feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of
winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;”.
Hi Nick,
So we can have a cohesive dialog, it therefore becomes necessary
to know what “exactly” we are discussing. Defining the terms…Reincarnation: The belief that the soul, upon death of the body,
comes back to earth in another body or form.Preexistence: To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human.
I therefore need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel',
so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
So you say
But it never related directly to your post.It is plain you will not preach these views readily so they must be unimportant to you.
Hi Nick, (Link)
'This is a dichotomy'.
You started that thread because you claim that you are against making assumptions, yet you
want me to make an assumption as to what a term means that I have never heard before?
I need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel',
so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.Do you know what the meaning of a 'hypocrite' is, Nick?
You declare I should not make assumptions,
yet you insist that I make one.This is PROOF that you are indeed a 'hypocrite'!
You can prove that you really do not want to be one,
by simply defining the term YOU used: 'an Evil Angel'?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 09 2012,12:30) Hi Nick, So we can have a cohesive dialog, it therefore becomes necessary
to know what “exactly” we are discussing. Defining the terms…Reincarnation: The belief that the soul, upon death of the body,
comes back to earth in another body or form.Preexistence: To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human.
I therefore need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel',
so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Nick,Do you agree with the terms that I have given?
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,12:32) Hi Ed,
So you say
But it never related directly to your post.It is plain you will not preach these views readily so they must be unimportant to you.
Hi Nick,I do agree in that the belief in “preexistence” is unimportant.
But if this is something you want to discuss,
I'm certainly willing to do so.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
