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When did Satan join the church? Did he wait until the second century?
1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with empty words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the sons of disobedience.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.
Act 20:29 I know that after my departing grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock;
Satan is crafty with the word of God! He twist and distorts the truth and has been doing that since ADAM!
This is why we have the Holy Spirit to guide us to ALL truth.
Just because a writing is found to be written in the first, second or any century for that matter means nothing.
Could not the early church fathers been deceived.
Satan came and oversowed the wheat with weeds.
He began to do this “while men were sleeping,” according to the illustration. Does this mean that the apostles were sleeping in death, or that the men were spiritually drowsy?Either way, if you look at the writings of the Bible, you can see that the apostasy was “already at work,” or that the mystery of this lawlessness, was already at work, even before the apostles had died off. But back then, it was a mystery, because it hadn't manifested itself fully.
We are told that the false stories would spread like “gangrene.” We are told that from among “you yourselves” the overseers of the congregations, wolves would arise and speak twisted things.
I don't believe that everything taught was instantaneously “twisted.” And I don't believe that a couple hundred years later, things were corrected.
In a couple hundred years, suddenly many many things changed: Going to war was ok. Being involved in politics was ok. Etc. Being a partof the world was suddenly…ok.
And the teachings were twisted as well. I think this subject demands much further consideration.
dave
Quote Just because a writing is found to be written in the first, second or any century for that matter means nothing. kenrch
What writings are you speaking of?
Quote Either way, if you look at the writings of the Bible, you can see that the apostasy was “already at work,” or that the mystery of this lawlessness, was already at work, even before the apostles had died off. But back then, it was a mystery, because it hadn't manifested itself fully. David
Is this why the NWT disagrees with all the major translations?
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 13 2007,09:22) Just because a writing is found to be written in the first, second or any century for that matter means nothing. Could not the early church fathers been deceived.
I tend to agree with Ken, It depends more on the person who wrote it, then when it was written. After all scriptures tell of a man who taught “the way” prior to hearing of JesusActs 18:25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and he spoke with great fervor and taught about Jesus accurately, though he knew only the baptism of John.
and as Ken pointed out even while John was alive there was false teaching. I do agree there is a tendency for more accuracy the closer you are but to approve something due to the date and not it's agreement to scripture is dangerous.
My opinion – Wm
Am I correct in thinking that with the Holy spirit and a God inspired Holy Bible I won't need to wonder about these kinds of thoughts?
Quote (retepmurT @ Jan. 14 2007,09:40) Am I correct in thinking that with the Holy spirit and a God inspired Holy Bible I won't need to wonder about these kinds of thoughts?
Ultimately your right, yes. Theology is not the way. following christ is.the problem is nobody agrees on what that way is because they all interpret the bible differently and they all do so by claiming the holy spirit is quiding them.
I am saying that most of the early church fathers followed christ teachings literally and did not “live in this world”.
David hit the nail on the head. Rather than being seperated from this world in the kingdom of God later christians created a hybrid kingdom and became part of this world.
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 13 2007,14:22) When did Satan join the church? Did he wait until the second century? 1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with empty words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the sons of disobedience.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.
Act 20:29 I know that after my departing grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock;
Satan is crafty with the word of God! He twist and distorts the truth and has been doing that since ADAM!
This is why we have the Holy Spirit to guide us to ALL truth.
Just because a writing is found to be written in the first, second or any century for that matter means nothing.
Could not the early church fathers been deceived.
1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of usWe know here that John is referencing the gnostics. They believed that Jesus did not come in the flesh but was a phantom.
I think the apostolic church had many heresies to fight against.
hi to all
the scriptures said not everyone will see,hear,understand,there are precondition to recieve knowledge from God through Christ,
it is simple to follow the readings of the scriptures it is in your language you understand the words you use dictionnary if you dont understand the meaning of the words,but is that all wath it takes to understand the word of God,
remember this is not the word of men.
to understand the word of God you have to know God and the one he has send.Quote But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth.
I agree, you could know the scripture word for word but truth is only truly understood through a revelation as provided by the Holy Spirit.My opinion – Wm
hi to all
Question ? if you would be lived all by youself on a ilesland and the water waves bring you a copy of the bible in your language how would you know if it is from God ?Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2009,22:10) hi to all
Question ? if you would be lived all by youself on a ilesland and the water waves bring you a copy of the bible in your language how would you know if it is from God ?
You would not know. Unless the Spirit of truth moves you to know.Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 17 2009,17:10) hi to all
Question ? if you would be lived all by youself on a ilesland and the water waves bring you a copy of the bible in your language how would you know if it is from God ?
That is a good question, however if we look up into the sky and see the wonders of God's creation, I would think that we would know that there is a higher being who keeps all in line. If we would call that being God, I am not so sure. But reading the Bible I believe that God would reveal Himself to that person.IMO
Peace and Love IreneQuote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2009,14:31) hi to all
the scriptures said not everyone will see,hear,understand,there are precondition to recieve knowledge from God through Christ,
it is simple to follow the readings of the scriptures it is in your language you understand the words you use dictionnary if you dont understand the meaning of the words,but is that all wath it takes to understand the word of God,
remember this is not the word of men.
to understand the word of God you have to know God and the one he has send.
funny you should bring up the dictionary, some people here don't like the dictionary, they hate the deffinition of “Father” and “Son”.Georg
hi to all
you right georg ,because of its writtings the word of good does not depent on the written book,but on wath they mean,and how you react to it,if you reacted in truth, then you open the door so God and Christ can enter.as for the dictionary,i am a builder,so if i work in the USA i need a tape with imperial mesures if i worked in Canada i need a metric one
it does not matter provided you keek the same tape all along the construction site,it the same with the word of God.
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