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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2007,08:24) Hi W,
So both a person and the one Spirit?
Two roles?
NHIs the Father a person? Is the Son a person?
Is there “One Spirit'?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2007,09:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2007,08:24) Hi W,
So both a person and the one Spirit?
Two roles?
NHIs the Father a person? Is the Son a person?
Is there “One Spirit'?
NHDoes your bible have all of its pages?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2007,09:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2007,08:24) Hi W,
So both a person and the one Spirit?
Two roles?
NHIs the Father a person? Is the Son a person?
Is there “One Spirit'?
Hi W,
Referring to this bible:Where is God called a person?
Where is the Spirit said to be a person?
Where is God said to contain three persons?I think you have been muddled by the theologian's silly ideas.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2007,09:38) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2007,09:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2007,08:24) Hi W,
So both a person and the one Spirit?
Two roles?
NHIs the Father a person? Is the Son a person?
Is there “One Spirit'?
Hi W,
Referring to this bible:Where is God called a person?
Where is the Spirit said to be a person?
Where is God said to contain three persons?I think you have been muddled by the theologian's silly ideas.
NHObviously your bible is missing some pages or you use white out a lot!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2007,09:38) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2007,09:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2007,08:24) Hi W,
So both a person and the one Spirit?
Two roles?
NHIs the Father a person? Is the Son a person?
Is there “One Spirit'?
Hi W,
Referring to this bible:Where is God called a person?
Where is the Spirit said to be a person?
Where is God said to contain three persons?I think you have been muddled by the theologian's silly ideas.
It is true, WJ; what Nick says is correct….those things are not written in the Bible. Those things must be inferred and deducted from scripture.When the Bible says Jesus was born, we have to admit that when people are born – they come alive for the first time. This is what the Bible teaches about Jesus. To believe anything different is inferrence and you must deduct scripture from other places to lace your teaching together.
When th Bible says that God is one. We have to admit that what “one” means is mathmatical, and it refers to a single and an only (no others). To believe otherwise is to mis-use language and meanings. This teaching must be deducted from one place and another to lace the teaching together.
What is written can be so very simple and clear IF it is taken as it is.
Take my axe to grind as an example: If we were to only admit that Jesus is the literal Son of God – so many scriptures could be taken for face value……instead they are added to other ideas and other scriptures are brought in to show why it's more complicated than that. Why do we have to do that?
Scripture does not tell us there is a third “person” within God named Holy Spirit or Comforter or Holy Ghost…..that is a product of our deductions. It takes courage to admit this is true. I'm not saying the Bible doesn't mention of “comforter,” but I am saying that it doesn't say it is the third person of God…..that is our deductions-run-a-muck.
not3
I hear all the words from you and NH, but I see no scriptures to say anything other than what the scriptures say that I present.
The Spirit of truth and scriptures is all we have.
These are not my words, they are the words of Jesus and yet you still dont believe him.
I see that you have sided with the Jws and the Arians.
Jesus teaching dosnt need any inference it simply needs a pure heart that will believe him without making deductions.
You and NH accuse me for adding to the scriptures, however I believe you and NH are making clear deductions to the scriptures.
Scriptures clearly teach that the Holy Spirit is “Another”, and even if you dont believe “He” is a person, it is clear that “he” is another.
So maybe you can explain to me how the three according to Matt 28:19 is “One Spirit”.
We know that we only have One Spirit. These are not inferences.
Christ lives in us and the Father lives in us according to the scriptures, and the Spirit the Comforter, which Jesus clearly says “he will send”, and the “Father will send” also lives in us.
This is not inference, this is clear teaching from the word.
In a court of law evidence is put together in part and a case is built.
However it seems that scriptural evidence is not enough!
It looks like you need a video tape of Jesus saying…
There is One God, Three Persons, One Spirit!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2007,16:49) These are not my words, they are the words of Jesus and yet you still dont believe him.
When you present scripture they are not your words, this is true. However, how you interpret them is in your own words. It is these words that I have a hard time understanding.I haven't “sided” with anyone……I am seeking out what scripture says. You have to understand, scripture says something to you – but it says something different to others, and it takes some time to sift through all of the *truth* there.
All I am still saying is that the bible does not say God is a person, or that the Spirit is a person, or that God is said to contain three persons. If it was a “clear” teaching, WJ – why would you and Nick argue? Or why would we need this board? Nothing is crystal clear. Not even that God is One.
Are there any absolutes in God's Word?
How could we stray so far of the path? When did “One” start to mean something else?
Did the children in the OT understand God when he said he was One to mean something else, WJ?Quote (Not3in1 @ June 05 2007,17:00) All I am still saying is that the bible does not say God is a person, or that the Spirit is a person, or that God is said to contain three persons. If it was a “clear” teaching, WJ – why would you and Nick argue? Or why would we need this board? Nothing is crystal clear. Not even that God is One. Are there any absolutes in God's Word?
not3Because there are many who will not believe what is written.
They contrive doctrines with part scriptures even when it leaves them with contradictions.
They just ignore the ones that they dont understand or wont fit into their beliefs!
You say…
Quote Are there any absolutes in God's Word? Yes for sure. Or else we have no foundation.
The scriptures are absolute, and absolutely true.
Should we put our own opinions above what is written?
Not me sis!
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 05 2007,17:05) How could we stray so far of the path? When did “One” start to mean something else?
Did the children in the OT understand God when he said he was One to mean something else, WJ?
not3In scripture and in the creation, one is not always singular!
You and your husband are one flesh!
The atom is one, yet proton, neutron, electron.
Etc.
God is One, Father, Son and Holy Spirit!
Quote All I am still saying is that the bible does not say God is a person Hebrews 1:3 -“And He is the Radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His person …” The word for person here is hypostasis, which can also mean nature, but has been understood to mean person.
Tim
Quote (Tim2 @ June 05 2007,18:02) Quote All I am still saying is that the bible does not say God is a person Hebrews 1:3 -“And He is the Radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His person …” The word for person here is hypostasis, which can also mean nature, but has been understood to mean person.
Tim
TimTrue!
Hi W,
Your mantra again
“God is One, Father, Son and Holy Spirit!”
But surely you would offer us a scripture rather than this human derivation?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2007,18:05) Quote (Tim2 @ June 05 2007,18:02) Quote All I am still saying is that the bible does not say God is a person Hebrews 1:3 -“And He is the Radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His person …” The word for person here is hypostasis, which can also mean nature, but has been understood to mean person.
Tim
TimTrue!
Thanks WJ. I admire your patience in going over the same material again and again with the lost.Tim
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