Dreams

[Stu]

Quote (942767 @ April 06 2008,13:34)

Quote (Stu @ April 06 2008,10:26) Quote (942767 @ April 06 2008,05:53) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2008,11:20) Hi 94, Thanks. That surely relates to the last moments. And before that? Hi Nick: I don't know.  I am praying for understanding of the dream. God Bless Hi 942767 Are you Daniel? At least Samuel is not threatening to smite you if you can't tell him the meaning of his dream! Stuart No Stu, I am not Daniel, but I know and worship God the same God.

So are you hoping god will have time to insert some interpretation of Samuel's dream into your conscience?

In a world where god cannot manage the suffering of millions of children, why should he make the effort to do your dream interpretations for you? I've already done it for you and you didn't even need to pray!

Stuart

[NickHassan]

Hi Stu,
On the one hand you demand that God be directing every action on earth
and on the other you resent any interference in your right to complete freedom ??

[942767]

Quote (Stu @ April 07 2008,22:59)

Quote (942767 @ April 06 2008,13:34) Quote (Stu @ April 06 2008,10:26) Quote (942767 @ April 06 2008,05:53) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2008,11:20) Hi 94, Thanks. That surely relates to the last moments. And before that? Hi Nick: I don't know.  I am praying for understanding of the dream. God Bless Hi 942767 Are you Daniel? At least Samuel is not threatening to smite you if you can't tell him the meaning of his dream! Stuart No Stu, I am not Daniel, but I know and worship God the same God. So are you hoping god will have time to insert some interpretation of Samuel's dream into your conscience? In a world where god cannot manage the suffering of millions of children, why should he make the effort to do your dream interpretations for you?  I've already done it for you and you didn't even need to pray! Stuart

Hi Stu:

Samuel did not ask me to give him an interpretation of his dream, but if it will help him in his walk with God, I know that God is able to tell me what is meant by his dream.

God has given humanity the responsibility of the things here on earth, and so, we cannot blame God for our failures. The question is are you and I doing all that we can do to alleviate the suffering.

God has given principles through His Word by which He tells us how to alleviate the suffering. It is up to us to obey.

[Stu]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2008,06:28)

Hi Stu, On the one hand you demand that God be directing every action on earth and on the other you resent any interference in your right to complete freedom ??

Don't blame me if Judeo-christian mythology can't get its web of deception straight!

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (942767 @ April 08 2008,12:20)

Quote (Stu @ April 07 2008,22:59) Quote (942767 @ April 06 2008,13:34) Quote (Stu @ April 06 2008,10:26) Quote (942767 @ April 06 2008,05:53) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2008,11:20) Hi 94, Thanks. That surely relates to the last moments. And before that? Hi Nick: I don't know.  I am praying for understanding of the dream. God Bless Hi 942767 Are you Daniel? At least Samuel is not threatening to smite you if you can't tell him the meaning of his dream! Stuart No Stu, I am not Daniel, but I know and worship God the same God. So are you hoping god will have time to insert some interpretation of Samuel's dream into your conscience? In a world where god cannot manage the suffering of millions of children, why should he make the effort to do your dream interpretations for you?  I've already done it for you and you didn't even need to pray! Stuart Hi Stu: Samuel did not ask me to give him an interpretation of his dream, but if it will help him in his walk with God, I know that God is able to tell me what is meant by his dream. God has given humanity the responsibility of the things here on earth, and so, we cannot blame God for our failures.  The question is are you and I doing all that we can do to alleviate the suffering. God has given principles through His Word by which He tells us how to alleviate the suffering.  It is up to us to obey.

I'm sorry but that is appaling. I did not create suffering.

Able, but unwilling to avert suffering equals malevolent.

Why can't the butcher that you worship take some responsibility? Doesn't he know better?

Stuart

[942767]

Quote (Stu @ April 08 2008,18:44)

Quote (942767 @ April 08 2008,12:20) Quote (Stu @ April 07 2008,22:59) Quote (942767 @ April 06 2008,13:34) Quote (Stu @ April 06 2008,10:26) Quote (942767 @ April 06 2008,05:53) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2008,11:20) Hi 94, Thanks. That surely relates to the last moments. And before that? Hi Nick: I don't know.  I am praying for understanding of the dream. God Bless Hi 942767 Are you Daniel? At least Samuel is not threatening to smite you if you can't tell him the meaning of his dream! Stuart No Stu, I am not Daniel, but I know and worship God the same God. So are you hoping god will have time to insert some interpretation of Samuel's dream into your conscience? In a world where god cannot manage the suffering of millions of children, why should he make the effort to do your dream interpretations for you?  I've already done it for you and you didn't even need to pray! Stuart Hi Stu: Samuel did not ask me to give him an interpretation of his dream, but if it will help him in his walk with God, I know that God is able to tell me what is meant by his dream. God has given humanity the responsibility of the things here on earth, and so, we cannot blame God for our failures.  The question is are you and I doing all that we can do to alleviate the suffering. God has given principles through His Word by which He tells us how to alleviate the suffering.  It is up to us to obey. I'm sorry but that is appaling.  I did not create suffering. Able, but unwilling to avert suffering equals malevolent. Why can't the butcher that you worship take some responsibility?  Doesn't he know better? Stuart

Hi Stu:

I did not say that you created suffering, but what are you doing to alleviate it? Complaining about it and accusing God that he is responsible for the suffering is not going to do it.

[Stu]

Quote (942767 @ April 09 2008,12:40)

Quote (Stu @ April 08 2008,18:44) Quote (942767 @ April 08 2008,12:20) Quote (Stu @ April 07 2008,22:59) Quote (942767 @ April 06 2008,13:34) Quote (Stu @ April 06 2008,10:26) Quote (942767 @ April 06 2008,05:53) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 05 2008,11:20) Hi 94, Thanks. That surely relates to the last moments. And before that? Hi Nick: I don't know.  I am praying for understanding of the dream. God Bless Hi 942767 Are you Daniel? At least Samuel is not threatening to smite you if you can't tell him the meaning of his dream! Stuart No Stu, I am not Daniel, but I know and worship God the same God. So are you hoping god will have time to insert some interpretation of Samuel's dream into your conscience? In a world where god cannot manage the suffering of millions of children, why should he make the effort to do your dream interpretations for you?  I've already done it for you and you didn't even need to pray! Stuart Hi Stu: Samuel did not ask me to give him an interpretation of his dream, but if it will help him in his walk with God, I know that God is able to tell me what is meant by his dream. God has given humanity the responsibility of the things here on earth, and so, we cannot blame God for our failures.  The question is are you and I doing all that we can do to alleviate the suffering. God has given principles through His Word by which He tells us how to alleviate the suffering.  It is up to us to obey. I'm sorry but that is appaling.  I did not create suffering. Able, but unwilling to avert suffering equals malevolent. Why can't the butcher that you worship take some responsibility?  Doesn't he know better? Stuart Hi Stu: I did not say that you created suffering, but what are you doing to alleviate it?  Complaining about it and accusing God that he is responsible for the suffering is not going to do it.

Making people think is an important part of preventing suffering. That is something I try to do. As the urban legends go, there has never been a war between two democracies and no western-style democracy has ever endured a famine. They may not be strictly true, but they are no far off. I am opposed to theocracy because it is dictatorship and more likely to cause suffering. Do you champion the secular ideal in which all views are welcome but no one ideology dominates the public square?

What lecture about suffering can a man give if he endorses a supernatural being that has confessed to a mass drowning, to just name one of its atrocity?

Stuart

[942767]

Hi Stu:

God has done and is doing what he can to alleviate suffering.  He has given us Jesus His only begotten Son so that whosoever will choose to be reconciled to Him may do so and have all of their sins forgiven, and then as the Father of our spirit, he can teach us Godly principles by which we should live our lives to prevent some of this suffering that we have to bear ourselves and also the suffering of others.  This world is temporary so that a man can exercise his free will as to whether or not he wants to be reconciled to God. We are called into a relationship with Him,  Those who come to Him and learn to obey his principles will live in His house forever with a body that will not deteriorate as does that body that we have now.  There will be no more suffering in the world to come.

You sympathize with homosexuals, but have you ever heard of AIDS, or the other various kinds of venerial disceases that someone living this kind of life style may get.  Sin is detrimental to us and causes suffering for us and for others as well, and so, God is calling us out of sin so that He can teach us principles by which to live so that we won't have to suffer these kinds of things.  

I for one am happy that God has delivered me out of the corruption that I was in and has forgiven me all of my sins.  I love Him and appreciate all that He has done for me and all that He does on a continual basis, and so, I will serve Him and humanity by letting those who want to hear how wonderful He really is.  And, so today, I have let you know because I love you and do not want to see you destroy yourself by continuing to rebel against God.

[Cato]

Dear 942767,

Because people may have differences in theology doesn't mean they do not serve God.  God and  man's view of such through whatever scripture he considers holy do not equate as the same thing.

AIDS is not a punishment to homosexuals, it is a result of a lifestyle of carelessness that can capture both hetero and homo sexuals, drug users, as well as the occasional innocent, from transfusion, etc.  So it is a poor example and misleading, it is no more the wrath of God then cancer or tuberculosis.

I am happy you have found a path that works for you, but don't fall into the old trap that what I see as truth is truth and the only one at that.  Even Stuart who denies there is God may serve him in the end better then a lot of us believers, who are we to judge?

[942767]

Quote (Cato @ April 11 2008,02:57)

Dear 942767, Because people may have differences in theology doesn't mean they do not serve God.  God and  man's view of such through whatever scripture he considers holy do not equate as the same thing. AIDS is not a punishment to homosexuals, it is a result of a lifestyle of carelessness that can capture both hetero and homo sexuals, drug users, as well as the occasional innocent, from transfusion, etc.  So it is a poor example and misleading, it is no more the wrath of God then cancer or tuberculosis. I am happy you have found a path that works for you, but don't fall into the old trap that what I see as truth is truth and the only one at that.  Even Stuart who denies there is God may serve him in the end better then a lot of us believers, who are we to judge?

Hi Cato:

I did not say that AIDs is punishment from God to homosexuals, but that lifestyle can lead to this disease. I view this lifestyle as sin, and so does God (Romans 1) and sin is detrimental to that person and to those whom they are sinning against.

It is by showing Stuart God's motives that I am hoping that he will see the same wonderful God that I see and serve and by seeing he will also want to serve Him.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
So who else feels that in Christ
dreams are night school?

[Samuel]

I have lots of Dreams…

I've had dreams of the United States being attacked by a European Military.

I've had Dreams of the Middle-East spinning extremely out of control.

I've had Dreams of lots of stuff.

I really don't know what to think.  Its sort of scary…I started having these Dreams back when I was in Basic Training.

And I've had one Vision in my whole life.

Just one.

I woke straight away up one morning in my top bunk bed…while I was living at home ( I was around 6 years old…maybe 8 can't remember for sure).   I remember sitting straight up in my bed and looking slightly to my right and seeing a face.  It scared me so bad that I fell out of the bed on to the floor, and woke everyone in the house up.  I could not go back to sleep.

It looked like a President's face or something…my whole life I could not figure out if it was a spirit, an angel, a vision, or what.

But this is what it looked liked:

That was the face I saw…

Now explain that to me?

[Stu]

Quote (Cato @ April 11 2008,02:57)

Even Stuart who denies there is God may serve him in the end better then a lot of us believers, who are we to judge?

Cato!

That is a terrible thing to say!

Stuart

[Stu]

Hi 942767

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God has done and is doing what he can to alleviate suffering. He has given us Jesus His only begotten Son

…to be crucified no less. How does that materially alleviate suffering?

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so that whosoever will choose to be reconciled to Him may do so and have all of their sins forgiven,

I am without sin, so that does not help my suffering. (I am lucky that I have very little suffering, if any).

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You sympathize with homosexuals,

Yes because they are persecuted by some christians.

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but have you ever heard of AIDS, or the other various kinds of venerial disceases that someone living this kind of life style may get.

Are you saying that heterosexual people don’t get HIV and venereal diseases?

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Sin is detrimental to us and causes suffering for us and for others as well, and so, God is calling us out of sin so that He can teach us principles by which to live so that we won't have to suffer these kinds of things.

Sin is a joke concept invented by religio-political leaders. It deserves parody and contempt and has no place in the development of human potential.

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I for one am happy that God has delivered me out of the corruption that I was in and has forgiven me all of my sins. I love Him and appreciate all that He has done for me and all that He does on a continual basis, and so, I will serve Him and humanity by letting those who want to hear how wonderful He really is.

Yes I have ready of his pitiless butchery as confessed by him in the OT.

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And, so today, I have let you know because I love you and do not want to see you destroy yourself by continuing to rebel against God.

That is very noble of you. How would you feel if I said I loved you and hated to see you delude yourself in this way?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (942767 @ April 11 2008,03:06)

It is by showing Stuart God's motives that I am hoping that he will see the same wonderful God that I see and serve and by seeing he will also want to serve Him.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-many-has-god-killed.html

Hard to pick a pattern for this mass killer.

Stuart

[Samuel]

Stu,

If you were to actually research the word “Sin” and where it came from what it really means, and was translated from you would probably find that you are indeed right.

“Sin” has been morphed into some tool that people that develop their own religion weild to people to “Conform” them to their own will. This type of people are also found in the Bible as well…they walked the Earth the same time that Jesus did…and he Rebuked them.

All “Sin” actually means is to “Tresspass” in other words when you steal something from someone…you feel inside yourself that its wrong to take something that is not yours…you just know that it is not right.

We all have a “Built-In” mechanisim in us that tells us when something is not right. We just know whats right and whats not. And before you go off saying “No we know whats right cause our parents taught us”…well…Who taught them? And who taught their parents…and so on, and so forth…sooner or later anyway you cut it you get down to the first man and woman…or in some peoples belief the process of evoloution took place …somewhere somehow “Man” knew what was right and was was wrong…And thus stated teaching it to our children. Invariblely you will find a way to escape the truth and hide from the fact that there is a GOD that is responsible for all of this. However, its not my job to give up on you…because I love you…you are a human being just like me so this is why I tell you these things. As I've said earlier I'd love to spend eternity with you …you are a very entertaining person.

Or, basicly “Sin” is a disobedience :refusal or neglect to obey…a “Transgression” to disobey the “Law”…not Mans law…GODS Law. This is nothing new either, Man has made their own laws since the begining, They have made for themselves Kingdoms…that always fall. Because “Mans” Law is not where its at…Its GODS Law is where its at. And, I know that you probably don't agree with me because you don't believe in GOD. But contray to your current belief GOD loves every person that has every lived and ever will live…It is not in his intrest to see his creation suffer. Which is why he made a way for it to not suffer. I know that you don't think that due to your thoughts on the taking of life.

GOD gave us all life…
He can take it away…
Then give it again…
Then take it away again…
You say your parents gave you life but they can't kill you…ok well true…somewhat.

What really happend there is what grace and mercy and life and all great things that are still in the world that were given to man has been passed on down the line all the way to you and I.
However, You parents even if they were to kill you …or take your life…can they give it back to you? …no? the answer is no they can not.

This is the first death, you can kill the body but not the spirit.

When you die its not over. I know you might think that it is but its not. There is a whole lot more stuff to take place.

[Cato]

Samuel,

This is one of your better posts, you come across better when your not angry or judgemental. Rational and well stated, good post.

[Not3in1]

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Samuel, This is one of your better posts, you come across better when your not angry or judgemental.  Rational and well stated, good post.

Amen! Way to go bro, Sam! Keep it up.

[seek and you will find]

Samuel Good post. How ironic. You had a Dream when you were a youngster and say a man. Guess what, it happened to me not to long ago. I don't know if I was half asleep or just waking up, but He was so real. He had a Hat on that Man wore in the 50ths. It scared me too. Another time there was like a cloud hovering over my feet, I screamed for my Husband and it left. That time I was fully awake. It was early in the morning an it was still dark out. I did have a light on in my closet and leave the door open a bit to see it. Those things I have never been able to explain either. All I can say we need to stay close to Jesus Christ. Satan is very busy, because he knows he only has a little time left.
Peace and Love Mrs.

[Samuel]

I know a lot of the time it sounds like I'm angry when I post.

Well…

The truth is…

That I am…I'm angry at Satan for deceving so many people. And, Part angry at myself for not being able to get people to see the truth they need to save themselves from this mess.

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