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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,07:32) Quote (TimothyVI @ April 14 2008,01:45) God said murder all of the people. Men, little old women, their daughters and and their daughters small sons. Rip out the babies from the bellies of the pregnant women and crush their little skulls against the rocks. Hack up the little boys into small bits with the sword.
Leave nothing alive except the little virgin girls. Those you can keep for your own pleasure. God is good.I think that I feel ill.
It sickens me that so many of you can read this garbage and say that it is God being just and merciful.
That is not blind faith, it is brain death.Tim
Hi Tim4
But you said this in another thread.
“Mandy,
I pray all is well.Tim “
So to whom do you pray?
Hi Nick,
I pray to God. I believe in God. I think that God is too good to have ordered the things that the bible says that He did.Tim
Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,07:16) I am basing my statement on the below scriptures: Quote 1Cr 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
You make a good case why many feel that scripture is flawed and not God's word but that of men.Quote (Cato @ April 14 2008,08:12) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,07:16) I am basing my statement on the below scriptures: Quote 1Cr 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
You make a good case why many feel that scripture is flawed and not God's word but that of men.
Did I not quote scripture?Exactly, you quoted scripture and the quote shows how that scripture defies reason. The very idea that children are unclean because of their parents, but one's spouse can sanctify her partner and then the children thereof. So sin is inherited, but faith of one partner can cure the others sin of unbelief?
Quote (Cato @ April 14 2008,10:47) Exactly, you quoted scripture and the quote shows how that scripture defies reason. The very idea that children are unclean because of their parents, but one's spouse can sanctify her partner and then the children thereof. So sin is inherited, but faith of one partner can cure the others sin of unbelief?
No, Cato:Sin is not inherited. Sin is the transgression of God eternal law. The Children of parents who are not in a relationship with God are unclean because of the sin of their parents. If one of the parents is saved, then that parent will teach his children the Word of God.
The ideal marriage is that marriage which God has ordained where both parents are Christians. The parents then knowing God will teach the Children the Word of God.
Quote Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.The husband and wife are one body, and if they are both Christians then they are also part of the body of Christ and are one spirit being subjected to God through Jesus Christ. The children are under the law of their parents.
I hope this explains what is being said.
Quote (Cato @ April 14 2008,10:47) Exactly, you quoted scripture and the quote shows how that scripture defies reason. The very idea that children are unclean because of their parents, but one's spouse can sanctify her partner and then the children thereof. So sin is inherited, but faith of one partner can cure the others sin of unbelief?
Hi
I “doubt” that they were as one body to begin with, when a few years they split in divorce.
I think the Law has removed so much from the symbolic, intellect and knowledge to be evenly yoked
It is way deeper than Just BEING a SO SAY CHRISTAN, and then the LAW reaches in to destroy the innocent child, it is so wickedMaybe what’s Natural is good, no forcing according to letters,
Quote (TimothyVI @ April 14 2008,08:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,07:32) Quote (TimothyVI @ April 14 2008,01:45) God said murder all of the people. Men, little old women, their daughters and and their daughters small sons. Rip out the babies from the bellies of the pregnant women and crush their little skulls against the rocks. Hack up the little boys into small bits with the sword.
Leave nothing alive except the little virgin girls. Those you can keep for your own pleasure. God is good.I think that I feel ill.
It sickens me that so many of you can read this garbage and say that it is God being just and merciful.
That is not blind faith, it is brain death.Tim
Hi Tim4
But you said this in another thread.
“Mandy,
I pray all is well.Tim “
So to whom do you pray?
Hi Nick,
I pray to God. I believe in God. I think that God is too good to have ordered the things that the bible says that He did.Tim
Amen TimQuote (Cato @ April 14 2008,10:47) Exactly, you quoted scripture and the quote shows how that scripture defies reason. The very idea that children are unclean because of their parents, but one's spouse can sanctify her partner and then the children thereof. So sin is inherited, but faith of one partner can cure the others sin of unbelief?
Hi cato,
Mankind is imbued with sin inherited from Adam, the first human servant of Satan.Jesus came on His Father's mission to rescue mankind from this entrapment and will extend that mercy to all He can.
But there are certain conditions.
Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,07:50) I have a question to those who doubt the Exodus is a literal event? And that is how then did the Jewish people become the Nation of Israel?
What difference does it make to the truth of the biblical exodus how the Jewish people “Became the nation of Israel”?Stuart
Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,12:30) No, Cato: Sin is not inherited. Sin is the transgression of God eternal law. The Children of parents who are not in a relationship with God are unclean because of the sin of their parents. If one of the parents is saved, then that parent will teach his children the Word of God.
Ok sin is not inherited, but if I have bad parents I am unclean because of their sins? So what is the difference?Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,18:31) Hi cato,
Mankind is imbued with sin inherited from Adam, the first human servant of Satan.
According to the myth Adam was deceived and made a mistake, how do you then extrapolate that this made him a servant of Satan? I can see how you can infer that his mistake led to sin, but I think you are pushing it with the servant of Satan bit or I am taking issue with just a literary device for flair.While at the hospital waiting for my brother to be brought into a private room, my family and I waited in a dim-lit waiting room (it was midnight). My niece offered her bible for me to read. I passed. She was concerned and asked why I didn't want to read it? I pulled out the book I'm in the middle of, A Beautiful Boy, and casually told her I was “taking a break” for a while. She says, “You can't!” and I replied, “But I am.” She says, “For how long?” and I say, “For as long as it takes.” I turn to my book, ironically about a family struggling with drug addiction, and she is left staring off into the direction of the nurses station with her jaw open.
I “doubt” that all the stories in the bible, including Adam and Eve, are fully the truth. And if they are not the complete truth, I do not feel the need to fully believe them.
God gave me a brain.
Quote (Cato @ April 15 2008,03:02) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,18:31) Hi cato,
Mankind is imbued with sin inherited from Adam, the first human servant of Satan.
According to the myth Adam was deceived and made a mistake, how do you then extrapolate that this made him a servant of Satan? I can see how you can infer that his mistake led to sin, but I think you are pushing it with the servant of Satan bit or I am taking issue with just a literary device for flair.
Hi cato,
The Bible is not a book of myths.
The favourite myth here is that men can find their own way by reason.
1 Timothy 1:4
nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.2 Timothy 4:4
and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.Titus 1:14
not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth.Quote (kejonn @ April 14 2008,16:18) So what if the parents are Saudis, both Muslim? Should the child be slaughtered?
Hi KJ:I don't want to see anyone destroyed including children, and so, I am doing every thing in my power to reach every one with the truth which I know (not just believe) to be the truth so that people will not have to be destroyed.
God does not want to destroy anyone, but there is a day of judgment coming. When the rapture occurs, that which is not part of the body of Christ will be destroyed.
A child will die physically, but the parents will both die physically and spiritually. If the parents heard the truth of the gospel, and they did not believe or they believed and persisted in sin, they will be judged according to their works.
Quote Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Quote Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.The severity of the judgment will be according to the circumstances.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,06:46) 2 Timothy 4:4
and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
I wonder if the writer of Timothy ever imagined that myths would make more sense than what Christianity has evolved to?For instance, some myths make a heck of a lot more sense than the Trinity.
Quote (Cato @ April 15 2008,02:55) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,12:30) No, Cato: Sin is not inherited. Sin is the transgression of God eternal law. The Children of parents who are not in a relationship with God are unclean because of the sin of their parents. If one of the parents is saved, then that parent will teach his children the Word of God.
Ok sin is not inherited, but if I have bad parents I am unclean because of their sins? So what is the difference?
Hi Cato:If a child of the bad parents should die as a child before that child can exercise a decision whether of not to believe the gospel, the child will die physically.
But if the parents die in their sins, they will both physically and spiritually. Their body and their soul will be destroyed.
Quote (Stu @ April 14 2008,20:52) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,07:50) I have a question to those who doubt the Exodus is a literal event? And that is how then did the Jewish people become the Nation of Israel?
What difference does it make to the truth of the biblical exodus how the Jewish people “Became the nation of Israel”?Stuart
Hi Stu:The Exodus relates to them becoming the Nation of Israel, and so, if the Exodus is not true, how then did they become the Nation of Israel. One cannot deny that they existed as a Nation. One cannot deny that the temple existed. Part of it still stands for example.
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