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Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:06) A whisperer separates close friends.” Proverbs 16:28
For I fear that perhaps when I come I may find you not as I wish, and that you may find me not as you wish—that perhaps there may be quarreling, jealousy, anger, hostility, slander, gossip, conceit, and disorder.” 2 Corinthians 12:20For lack of wood the fire goes out, and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases.” Proverbs 26:20
ShimmerDoes this mean that you will say anything and everything you think about someone?
Isn't there also wisdom in keeping our tongues and not fueling evil?
Did Jesus not tell his disciples things in secret?
WJ
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:07) That last post was for you LU
Shimmer,
Not everything is your business.WJ, Jesus spoke things in private of the Father,
Gossip is different.
I pray and seek help with seeing things. When there is a problem.
“The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.” 1 Corinthians 2:15
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,10:13) Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:07) That last post was for you LU
Shimmer,
Not everything is your business.
You will ignore scripture.A whisperer separates close friends.” Proverbs 16:28
For lack of wood the fire goes out, and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases.” Proverbs 26:20
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:17) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,10:13) Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:07) That last post was for you LU
Shimmer,
Not everything is your business.
You will ignore scripture.A whisperer separates close friends.” Proverbs 16:28
For lack of wood the fire goes out, and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases.” Proverbs 26:20
ShimmerWhy are you casting judgment on her? You do not know what she said in private do you?
WJ
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:14) WJ, Jesus spoke things in private of the Father, Gossip is different.
I pray and seek help with seeing things. When there is a problem.
“The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.” 1 Corinthians 2:15
ShimmerHow do you know what is discussed in private is gossip?
WJ
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:17) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,10:13) Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:07) That last post was for you LU
Shimmer,
Not everything is your business.
You will ignore scripture.A whisperer separates close friends.” Proverbs 16:28
For lack of wood the fire goes out, and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases.” Proverbs 26:20
Then, I would suggest that YOU stop adding the wood
LU, can you say then that you have never said anything negative or personal against me or JA in private ? To another poster ?
I can admit that I have, but I no longer private message. Which is why Im saying it here.
You say I'm adding wood to the fire, maybe, but the verse says “where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases.”
Shimmer,
I have not said anything about you that I have not told you personally, or JA for that matter. No secrets here. I rarely private message anyone. The only thing that I have said about you to anyone was twice. Once I asked Mike to apologize to you because you were having a rough day and you didn't mean what you said way back when and today I asked Keith if he had noticed a mean spirit that you had towards me or was it just me seeing it and if he had any helpful insight. That's all.
Please stop these presumptions. Your presumptions have caused nothing but strife. Always give the benefit of the doubt and you will do well.Ok. Well has WJ sensed a mean spirit with you toward me ? Because I did and I approached you in the forum about it, and you denied it. But then in private you let rip. And what you wrote hurt me. But I prayed and I replied to you and apologised to have upset you, I could have argued back as most of what you said to me was lies. But I chose not to. Did you apologise to me, for all that you said ? You havent yet. And as i said it hurt. So why approach WJ and ask him if he has sensed a mean spirit in me ? Does he know exactly what you wrote ? I have nothing to hide LU. So if you really want to bring others into it, show them all of the messages between you and me, leaving nothing out. Could you do that, or would you hide some parts ?
WJ,
WJ,
You are so easy…
WJ
WJ
Easy Peasy
WJ
WJ
Nothing but weasy
WJ
WJ
Lemon Squeazy
WJ
have you anything to say?
No, then fly away
Come back another day
WJFar from learning a lesson
you claim I show aggression
put you under oppression
giving you a scriptural inspectionNo answer can WJ gives
Not then, not now, not as long as he lives
He ducks and dives, weaves and bobs
then the poor man even sobsJust answer the question is all I ask
Is it really such an awesome task
ignore the jibes – make yourself strong
unless, in fact, you know you're wrongI've seen you go through many a trial
Some were meek and some were vile
Learn from each, a different style
When asked to run one, go the second mileIf you are true then you will prevail
but i think you have a serpent tail
to swish and swash in manner ruthless
trying to makes God's word toothlessBut, WJ, the message you send
will catch you out in the end
With trinity falsehood you've been bitten
But there's none of it in Scripture writtenSo how then do you summize
That 'God' wins his Glory Prize
If 'God' is God then what's the point
Did 'he', himself, with Oil AnointNo he didn't – another did
Who? from you an answer I bid
His father, yes, the ALMIGHTY GOD
YHVH, yes, who gave him the nodFor if in trinity were the three
What happened when he went free?
Emptied himself, three Gods, now two
As what is he now, God still? man now? Who?He left a position of 'Godly' might
take up the task, fight the good fight
Then finally put off fleshly pain,
being Spitted, Tortured, Died, was raised againGod, “his God” did call him “Son”
His father's seat, was placed upon
To rule the Heavens and Earthly nations
To bring about God's plan, in restorationSo in what way did he claim equality
None at all, it was never his policy
He always said “My father is greater”
All my needs from Him I caterFor how is God calling out to God
One prays for the other to nod
One God is Man, One Spirit of Truth
One God is father, One's his youthSo if One is father he must come first
The Son must come after, so was he birthed?
Search the scriptures, many a verse
Nothing is written, all answer rehearsedSo from where did he come, was he created?
To this Scriptures only allude, barely stated
We only sure he was with God from time
and on that note I conclude this rhyme:There are only three creatures in all the places
Angels in Heaven, on earth animals and Human Races
There are no others – It's all Scriptures said
See ya tomorra – I'm off to bed…JA
Why don't you find something else to do rather than hijack this thread by insults. You are a moderator remember?
You are supposed to try and bring some order and direction in a thread by keeping people on topic.
By the way, I am honored that you spent so much time writing a poem with my signature WJ in it. I must be having some effect.
WJ
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,19:44) Ok. Well has WJ sensed a mean spirit with you toward me ? Because I did and I approached you in the forum about it, and you denied it. But then in private you let rip. And what you wrote hurt me. But I prayed and I replied to you and apologised to have upset you, I could have argued back as most of what you said to me was lies. But I chose not to. Did you apologise to me, for all that you said ? You havent yet. And as i said it hurt. So why approach WJ and ask him if he has sensed a mean spirit in me ? Does he know exactly what you wrote ? I have nothing to hide LU. So if you really want to bring others into it, show them all of the messages between you and me, leaving nothing out. Could you do that, or would you hide some parts ?
Shimmer-you asked:
Quote Well has WJ sensed a mean spirit with you toward me ? No. I am not the one showing up in your conversations planting careless accusations to stir up a quarrel.
you said:
Quote Because I did and I approached you in the forum about it, and you denied it. I denied that you were my enemy. I honestly didn't think of you as my enemy. I purposely had avoided commenting on your posts that I felt were fired by that mean spirit of yours so as to NOT become enemies and so as to NOT embarrass you.
you said:
Quote But then in private you let rip. You asked me to tell you the truth. It hurt? Sorry, truth hurts sometimes, let it grow you up. Your continual careless accusations are hurtful and you have made them publicly and without proof or apology. I am not afraid of standing up to them.
you said:
Quote But I prayed and I replied to you and apologised to have upset you, I could have argued back as most of what you said to me was lies. But I chose not to. Maybe you don't want to own reality or people standing up to your one sided views, and your apology lasted only till your next false accusation, what, maybe a couple of days.
Quote Does he know exactly what you wrote ? I have nothing to hide LU. So if you really want to bring others into it, show them all of the messages between you and me, leaving nothing out. Could you do that, or would you hide some parts ? Why would WJ know what I have written you? I am not the one gossiping about this. You are. I didn't bring anyone into it, YOU evidently have. I just asked him if he sensed the mean spirit, I didn't tell him of you strange pm's. I haven't told anyone about your strange pm's. If you want to post your strange pm's and my responses to the public I think it would only get you in trouble with a couple of the guys here, don't you? I stand behind everything I have said to you. I have nothing to hide.
Excuse me LU, my one sided views, doesnt everyone here have their own views ? Yeah, I think you like to pick on me, is it because you think im weak ?
Quote You asked me to tell you the truth. It hurt? Sorry, truth hurts sometimes, let it grow you up. The truth ? No sorry I know truth and what you said wasnt. What is my reason for being here according to you Lu ? No, God knows the truth. Half of what you wrote to me was not the truth. It was hurtfull. You call my pm strange. But were they hurtfull ? I showed my family what you wrote, Do they agree with you ? No. So dont say I cant handle the truth of what you say because its not truth at all. Can you apologise ? No I didnt think so,
Fine Shimmer, I apologize for hurting you. I won't tell you what I think when you ask me again. If I said something to you that I thought was true and you don't think that it was, then maybe you are coming across in a way that you don't even realize. You won't even tell me what I wrote that you don't think was true so how can I really apologize for a possible misunderstanding or help you see something you aren't seeing? Think about it.
Do you want to apologize for making careless false claims directed indirectly at me on various threads?
BTW, I don't like to pick on you and in the past have avoided embarrassing you when you say something totally off the wall. I'm NOT the one causing the problems…you are the one just showing up and making the careless judgements. That ought to stop, it is not wise nor Christian like.
You really ought to have your family read through the threads and then give you their opinion. They might better understand what I said to you. Ya know, the thought just occurred to me that you were complaining earlier about me privately talking to WJ and making all sorts of accusations about what I may have said and here you are privately discussing me with your family without giving me an opportunity for any defense, not to mention the gossiping pm's that you admit to now. I have nothing further to say to you. Let's get out of seventh grade here, shall we?
LU, I only discussed your pm with one person here, a person you have absolutely nothing to do with, and it wasnt JA, I had to, I was hurt.
My Family dont know you so that shouldnt matter.
Quote Do you want to apologize for making careless false claims directed indirectly at me on various threads? I already did remember ?
The only reason I read here, and in some older threads is because I felt things being taught which didnt sound right, I was worried people would get pulled in to it. I have a right to watch people I care about. When others disagree with you, do you take it personal like you do with me ? Thats what I cant understand.
But as you said, you have nothing else to say so lets let it drop.
What started all of this ? I didnt like how you said you would discuss another poster behind their back, remember ?
And your right none of this is christain at all.
Shimmer,
I really want to be done with this but you need to know that I did not privately pm Keith to degrade anyone behind their back but to encourage Keith to continue to take the higher road and avoid discussions like the one going on so as to NOT add flame to the fire and continue the poor behavior that we were all witnessing (yes, even you) out of another poster. Does that make you happy now that you jumped to your false conclusions and started a whole separate fire of your own? Furthermore, if anyone misrepresents me, I take it personally and stand up to that just like I do with you at times, or I ignore it, just like I do with you at times. As God leads me.Ok LU, this is what I will do….Rather than be concerned that JA is being lured into something which seems strange (to me) I will keep out. Because that was all I was concerned about. Lately people have been giving JA a hard time, I know, he asks for it sometimes, but at other times he doesnt and lately some of it has been mean. But it seems he can look after himself…. ok JA,
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