Does 1 Peter 2 imply that Jesus is God?

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@NickHassan

you asked:

Would you like me to show you all the times THEOS is used in scripture and for how many different things?

No need to show me all the times it is used in scripture and how, Nick. I just want you to tell me if it is used for the Son who is called our one Lord Jesus Christ and for God the Father. That will be sufficient for now.

Thanks for the offer though. 🙂

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@terraricca

you said:

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE SON TO BE EXISTING FROM THE SAME TIME OF HIS FATHER ,FOR HIS FATHER OBVIOUSLY COMES FIRST THEN THE SON ;AND SO AS SCRIPTURES SAYS THE SON HAS BEEN CREATED FROM THE FATHER ;THIS IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND LIKE ME MY SON COME FROM ME AND SO HIS BORN AFTER ME NOT BEFORE OR DID NOT EXIST WHILE I WAS BORN ,OF CAUSE THIS IS A MEN MADE EXAMPLE

It is possible for the Son to have existed eternally WITHIN His Father. The difference between the Father and the Son is that the Father was begotten of no one. The Son was begotten of the Father.

Your man made example is limited to finite beings, those who did not eternally exist. The Father did eternally exist. On a side note, speaking of human beings, did you realize that half of your chromosomes that came from your mother were in her ovum in the egg that was used to make you existed from her birth?

Also, the scripture does not say the Son was created, it says He was born. He had to exist beforehand in order to be born, btw.

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@ kathy

It is possible for the Son to have existed eternally WITHIN His Father. The difference between the Father and the Son is that the Father was begotten of no one. The Son was begotten of the Father.

what is possible and what is not possible to God is of no concerns to men ;but what God can do or not do to men is very important to us all ,for either we have or have not a future ,

now as for God not having a beginning we all know that ,and so the son as been created /born/bring forth /ect
let not go beyond of what is written ,for if we do then we may not need the scriptures at all ,they would become void in our own dreams ,

Your man made example is limited to finite beings, those who did not eternally exist. The Father did eternally exist. On a side note, speaking of human beings, did you realize that half of your chromosomes that came from your mother were in her ovum in the egg that was used to make you existed from her birth?

the example i give was a man made one ,and what i meant was that the father is there before the son ;as for how God has made us to reproduced it is a marvel in itself ,but that does not mean that God is a man , we know that in nature we have all the possible means of procreation within all the different species,(insects/mammals/fish/ cells/even stars/ ect)so let not measure God through his own creation ,but wonder by seeing it .

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@terricca

You say such and such is impossible and then you make a comment about what is possible or impossible is of no concern to men.

When you say that eternal existence of the Son is impossible, you deny a great thing, it is no small thing. You ought to be at least open to the possibility.

[terraricca]

hi Kathy

You say such and such is impossible and then you make a comment about what is possible or impossible is of no concern to men.

i told you that what is of God does not implicates us ,but what God as for us in store does

When you say that eternal existence of the Son is impossible, you deny a great thing, it is no small thing. You ought to be at least open to the possibility.

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together

can we ignore those scriptures ? if you can ,I do not

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@terricca
Your passage in Col 1 actually doesn’t dismiss an eternal existence at all. The word ‘firstborn’ does not mean first created.
If you understood the Son as eternal also it would help you lay a firm foundation as you study.

If you don’t want to ignore scriptures, well that is good…look at this:
1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,

Yes the Word.

The Word that was with God and was God.

Did you think it meant the man from Nazareth before he was anointed?

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HI KATHY

Your passage in Col 1 actually doesn’t dismiss an eternal existence at all. The word ‘firstborn’ does not mean first created.
If you understood the Son as eternal also it would help you lay a firm foundation as you study.

If you don’t want to ignore scriptures, well that is good…look at this:
1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

WELL IT DOES NOT DISMISS IT FOR THE WORD “FIRST” SAYS IT ALL RIGHT WHEN YOU FIRST YOU ARE NOT THE ONE BEFORE THE FIRST RIGHT ? YES

AND ONE MORE THING ;”so that in everything he might have the supremacy. ”

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

CAN YOU TELL ME WHO MADE HIM SO THAT JESUS WOULD HAVE “SUPREMACY IN EVERYTHING” IS IT NOT GOD HIS FATHER ?YES
AND SO IS NOT THE SON THE FIRST AFTER HIS OWN FATHER THAT IS ? YES

SO YOUR SPECULATION ARE JUST OPINIONS TO DELUDE THE WEAK IN THE TRUTH OF GOD ,THIS IS BAD ,

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HI KATHY

If you don’t want to ignore scriptures, well that is good…look at this:
1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

DO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT JOHN SAYS ? DON’T PICK AND CHOSE BUT START FROM ; “THE BEGINNING ”

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@terricca
If someone is a firstborn, obviously there was someone in existence who gave birth to the firstborn. In a similar matter, if someone gave birth to their firstborn, that firstborn had to exist beforehand. Therefore, being called a firstborn doesn’t prove that the one born wasn’t always in the Father waiting to be born. I believe in one eternal unbegotten God and one eternal begotten God. You seem to believe that you can pray in the name of a God (Jesus) who is created and not eternal. Jehovah does not allow His followers to pray in the name of another god.

1 John 1 clearly tells us that the Son is the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning. Read it carefully.

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@NickHassan
you said:

Yes the Word.

The Word that was with God and was God.

Did you think it meant the man from Nazareth before he was anointed?

That was in response to my question here:

Do you believe that there is a theos in scripture that is the Lord Jesus Christ?

So if Jesus is God and the Father is God, how many theos are there that we believe in and follow unto salvation?

Also, to answer your question about Jesus before His anointing, He was God in the beginning…God with God. We are never told that He became God by His fleshly anointing. He ever was a theos. Inherently a theos…the Father. Inherently a theos…the Son.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,

Your choice.

There are many gods and many lords.

Join us and worship the God of Jesus and Israel and the sons of God.

 

The Word was made flesh.

Jesus already had a beginning -conceived of Mary

 

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Little children.
Guard yourself from idols. 1jn5

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KATHY

1 John 1 clearly tells us that the Son is the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning. Read it carefully.

1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.

HOW IS THAT ?

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
God anointed JESUS OF NAZARETH with the Holy Spirit[acts 10]
Not the infant Jesus nor was he anointed before birth.
Don’t confuse the vessel with the contents

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Your passage in Col 1 actually doesn’t dismiss an eternal existence at all. The word ‘firstborn’ does not mean first created.
If you understood the Son as eternal also it would help you lay a firm foundation as you study.

To be born means you have a parent or source. Thus the offspring cannot exist without the source but the source can without the offspring.

So Jesus existence is determined by God, the same as all of us.

But God’s existence is not subject to anyone or anything. He always was. He has always been.

There is nothing in scripture that teaches that Jesus has always been.We are simply taught that the Word was with God in the beginning. What beginning. Well there are many beginnings. But this is talking about before the cosmos. It is not saying that both existed for all eternity. To draw that conclusion is to read your own preconceived ideas into the text.

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Do you believe that there is a theos in scripture that is God the Father? Do you believe that there is a theos in scripture that is the Lord Jesus Christ?

I will answer directly but will frame the context of my answer so you cannot take it out of context.

I believe that there is a devil and that scripture says that Satan is the Devil. I believe that there is devil in scripture that is Judas Iscariot.

Okay, now apply that correct understanding and Greek construct to God and Jesus.

Yes there is one God the Father. Yes Jesus can also be called theos. So can others too. But there is one God the Father who is actually THE God. There are others who are legitimately called by the word theos, including sons of God and even Satan as the God of this world.

So how many gods are there? Well for us there is one true God. But we also acknowledge as Paul did that there are indeed many gods and many lords. But for us there is one true God the Father. All others are either false or called theos because of their office etc.

So take this back to the Devil. How many devils are there? Many. But there is one who is the actual Devil, that is Satan.

Now here is the thing. I have said this many times and it is without question because I simply state what is in scripture. Yet something tells me that later on, you will try to get me to confess to two Gods or two as one God. But this post is sufficient for you.

Up to you what you do with this truth. Believe it or reject it and divert away.

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@NickHassan

@t8

@terricca

How many persons who are called theos somewhere in scripture must you believe in and follow to have everlasting life?

All three of you, please answer this fundamental question. Thank you guys!

[terraricca]

hi Kathy

GAL 3:19 Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.
GAL 3:20 Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one.
1TI 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
HEB 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

HEB 9:15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
HEB 12:24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,

You still have not answered the question

Are you one of US?

For us there is one God and one Lord…

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