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- July 29, 2007 at 8:34 pm#62150NickHassanParticipant
Hi Stu,
You have your faith in the observations and predictions of men.
We have faith in a God we know.
His Word is truth.July 29, 2007 at 10:54 pm#62182acertainchapParticipantAmen!
July 30, 2007 at 12:11 am#62192A4JParticipantQuote Hi,
First the proteins must be assembled before the cell wall can be put together and you have told us it takes so long for even one evolutionary step yet you have faith everything needed could be formed and assembled in the twinkling of an eye ..by a fluke. Such faith.Nope sorry buddy
proteins cans travel into a membrane, react with each other and be to large to escape, also DNA can form a Lipid shell around it, so it doesn't even have to form the RNA or chemical of similar structure and ability in order for a very primitive cell to form
so your wrong!
also, do you honestly belive that sceintists are trying to delude everyone?
there not! there is no incentive for doing such an act and there not trying to keep theories… infact they constantly are trying to look for new information about everything good or bad for the present theories…
to either discard/change the ones they have now or come up with an entirely new one
scientists simply look for the most fitting answer!its not like the scientists will go to science hell for disproving something! in fact, they become famous and looked at as a very brilliant person in the scientific community
if there were evidence to disprove the theory of evolution, we wouldn't even be talking about it right now simply because NO ONE would except it, especially not the scientists!July 30, 2007 at 12:17 am#62193NickHassanParticipantHi A4.
So first you need a membrane.
The some mitochondria waiting to fire up then
KAPOW
magic?July 30, 2007 at 1:58 am#62212A4JParticipantfirst off its a very primitive cell, all it has to do is reproduce.. its on the line of living or having very complex chemical abilities
first off “most” eukaryotic cells have mitochondria
but not all?
now who says they even have to be similar to eukaryotic cells?
there are different types of cells these days.
Also its important to note that the primitive cells that created life would have to evolve into something much more complex because the environment has changed so much!
now there are predators and free oxygen etc!Now given i do not know everything and neither do you about this *no matter how well you know the bible* but do you really think science to the best of its abilities is going to make up lies for no reason? or is there a reason for it to do so?
July 30, 2007 at 2:04 am#62213A4JParticipantLook how simple a Prokaryotic cell is! No mitochondria, etc
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….ry72834
and thats today… not 4 billion years agoJuly 30, 2007 at 3:08 am#62222NickHassanParticipantHi a4,
Then how did it develop the beautifully designed power source mitochondria?July 30, 2007 at 6:44 am#62234StuParticipantHi Nick
++”You have your faith in the observations and predictions of men.
We have faith in a God we know.
His Word is truth.Except that the only record you have of “His Word” is self-contradictory, with its inability to describe correctly even basic observations.
Did your imaginary friend (allegedly) give you a brain in order for you to post a mindless mantra?
What purpose does the We Know What He Wants And He Wants It For You nonsense serve?
Sounds like a bad vampire movie.
Stuart
July 30, 2007 at 6:48 am#62235StuParticipantThen how did it develop the beautifully designed power source mitochondria?
“they were originally derived from endosymbiotic prokaryotes” (not designed)
Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondria
July 30, 2007 at 7:02 am#62239NickHassanParticipantHi Stu,
All by themselves.
How clever.July 30, 2007 at 7:25 am#62242StuParticipantHi Nick,
Kiwis? Or still no answers?
Stuart
July 30, 2007 at 8:08 am#62245NickHassanParticipantHi Stu,
I am not an oracle to find your answers from.
Remarkably ignorant even, but I do know the one who is called truth.
Does anything else matter, except to those who claim to be wise in the world?July 30, 2007 at 8:18 am#62246charityParticipantQuote (Stu @ July 30 2007,19:25) Hi Nick, Kiwis? Β Or still no answers?
Stuart
stuartGods creation, arrives on earth in its time, and returns to dust, maybe you could rise up dust, and grow them again
But Adam won't be here to help with the NamesBut Go ahead make a little cake, heap up silver as the dust, and prepare raiment as the clay; from beneath the sea, rise up rocks
Behold, all ye yourselves have seen it; why then are ye thus altogether vain?
He who made the whole earth, prepared everything, and you have conceived the thought of placing foundations, and of creating visible creation, from his foundations
Even the sun has peace in itself over all, as the fiery essence
Which is both fire in water and water in fire, and one does not put out the other, nor does the one dry up the other
Rom 9:20 Β Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?July 30, 2007 at 8:24 am#62249A4JParticipantEvolution has compelling proof and is excepted by science, because there is no proof pointing against it-everything agrees under any cercumstance (show me other wise)
God: has no proof, isnt excepted my science, explanation for everything with the absence of god (creation of the earth, life, etc)just because its the most popular myth doesnt make it correct
even in the bible it says test everythingEvolution doesn't even disprove god, smart Christians still believe in god and evolution
isn't it how you interpret the bible anyways?
July 30, 2007 at 8:41 am#62255Is 1:18ParticipantOkay A4J, I'll call you on that. Name one piece of “compelling proof” for the veracity of the theory of evolution.
July 30, 2007 at 8:49 am#62256Is 1:18ParticipantQuote (A4J @ July 30 2007,20:24) Evolution doesn't even disprove god, smart Christians still believe in god and evolution
Incorrect. A smart christian would recognise the blatant incompatibilities between Biblical creationism and darwinian evolution. Only a very foolish christian might try to reconcile them…..July 30, 2007 at 8:56 am#62257A4JParticipantWell then a smart Christian is a stupid person π
“You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?”
how can you not believe evolution? if you have studied it.. surely you cant reject it assuming you study it and not some other crap that claims to be the theory of evolution
July 30, 2007 at 8:59 am#62259NickHassanParticipantHi A4,
Is there any better book, or a better teacher than truth?July 30, 2007 at 9:06 am#62260A4JParticipantQuote Okay A4J, I'll call you on that. Name one piece of “compelling proof” for the veracity of the theory of evolution. i already have given tons!
but here are some good videosalso there is excellent fossils from one animal to another, look at the freaking whales! or people… there fossiles homo erectus etc, its all very clear!
if micro evolution can happen why can macro?
surely if micro persists long enough it will form macro…Oh this seems like a nice video… i havent watch it all yet… funny if it turned out to be anti-evolution at the end haha
its well made at leasthaha jk… it starts out so evolutionary it would contradict itsself if it was creationism
July 30, 2007 at 9:10 am#62261A4JParticipant - AuthorPosts
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