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Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:39) 13% of anglican vicars do not believe in god. They probably believe that Jesus was a decent bloke who said some uesful things. Are they christians?
They are not believers if that is the case. They are atheists who have infiltrated an organisation that is suppose to promote God. However, I don't really care about that. Denominations don't really prove that useful in the promotion of God. They may even do harm than good. Hard to say without doing some research.Stu, rejecting God is like rejecting water.
Water sustains physical life. Spirit sustains spirtual life and God is Spirit and all spirit comes from him.
Your life is the result of an initial spark of spirit (pnuema).
It is the only one you get and then it is taken away as spirit goes back to God who gave it.But the righteous inherit eternal life. They are given an eternal well of the spirit.
Unbelievers do not inherit eternal life.It sounds just the way you want it though. You don't want eternal life and I do.
We will both get what we want, so what is the problem. We are both happy.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2010,20:44) Ad hominem (people want it to be true and don't like god)
Answer: Stu and others like him.Category error (that anyone would think you could use “evolution to disprove god”)
Answer: Stu and others like him.No True Scotsman (only atheists promote evolution)
Answer: Stu and others like him with a few God believers thrown in.Ad populam (billions believe in a god; every culture has gods)
Answer: Rather than list the culture, find a culture that doesn't believe in God. There might be a few, but never heard of one.Strawman (Darwin is a prophet)
Answer: Stu and others follow his teachings as truth and revelation. Darwin is the revealer of truth.Appeal to tradition (belief in god was around a long time before evolution)
Answer: Yes, the theory of Evolution is how old? Belief in God is how old?Not bad aye!
Oh dear. You don't even realise.I'm embarrassed for you t8. Can you log on as heaven and remove your post? I suppose you would have to remove this one as well.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2010,20:46) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:39) 13% of anglican vicars do not believe in god. They probably believe that Jesus was a decent bloke who said some uesful things. Are they christians?
They are not believers if that is the case. They are atheists who have infiltrated an organisation that is suppose to promote God. However, I don't really care about that. Denominations don't really prove that useful in the promotion of God. They may even do harm than good. Hard to say without doing some research.
You don't get this one either. Are you such a poor judge of human character that you would seriously suggest that atheists could be bothered to “infiltrate” the anglican church?No, it is that these vicars have lost their faith through exposure to Judeo-christian mythology, and are stuck in the job because they have few really useful skills.
Stuart
t8
Quote Stu, rejecting God is like rejecting water.
Accepting gods is like claiming you can live on nothing but water.Quote Water sustains physical life. Spirit sustains spirtual life and God is Spirit and all spirit comes from him.
I have spiritual life and no god. Do not be so arrogant as to claim a monopoly on spirituality. Buddhists have spirituality and they do not have gods.Quote Your life is the result of an initial spark of spirit (pnuema).
It is the only one you get and then it is taken away as spirit goes back to God who gave it.
Very dull ancient Greek mythology. What a boring religion you follow.Quote But the righteous inherit eternal life. They are given an eternal well of the spirit.
Unbelievers do not inherit eternal life.
Aren’t you just too special for words.Quote It sounds just the way you want it though. You don't want eternal life and I do.
We will both get what we want, so what is the problem. We are both happy.
I am pretty sure I will get what I want.Stuart
Stu, you are a self-confessed ape who will become potting mix at the end of your life.
I am a human made in the image of God, and realise that I am a sinner and in need of God's redemption. Since then, I have been connected to God by his Spirit and have seen not only miracles, but a transformation in my own life. I will inherit eternal life. When my body becomes potting mix, my Spirit will be with God.
Now you are a happy ape and you are quite happy to become plant fertilizer and when this happens, I will live a life of eternal purpose in a state so wonderful that no words can describe.
So if we are both happy, then why do need to attack my belief? Would it make you feel better if I was to also become a fellow ape (animal) and know my inheritance was to become fertilizer like you? I guess if that was the case, then can I suggest that you are really miserable. Often miserable people like others to be miserable like them because it actually makes them less miserable to know that they aren't the only one.
Stu I will not sell my soul for your glorious vision that I should be an ape and then fertilizer. No I am happy to stick with the truth that there is a God and we have the opportunity to have life with him for all aeons. You are allowed to not believe and you can choose to become fertilizer. It is your free will and your soul to dispose of as you see fit.
2 Peter 2:12
But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perishJude 1:10-11
Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:17) No, it is that these vicars have lost their faith through exposure to Judeo-christian mythology, and are stuck in the job because they have few really useful skills.
Agreed. They are getting paid and there is no point in giving their bread and butter away on the small point that they are atheists now. I suppose it doesn't hurt the conscience either, because they don't believe any more, so what does it matter. Take the money and run so to speak.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:23) I am pretty sure I will get what I want.
A mortgage, weekends at the pub with some fellow apes, abuse a few souls on Heaven Net, and to become potting mix in the end?t8
Quote Stu, you are a self-confessed ape who will become potting mix at the end of your life. When my body becomes potting mix… So the only difference in the material aspects of our respective beliefs is that you deny your classification as a human.
Now you are a happy ape and you are quite happy to become plant fertilizer and when this happens, I will live a life of eternal purpose in a state so wonderful that no words can describe.
You presumably are happy that your remains will also become plant fertilizer too.Are you an unhappy ape, t8?
What will “eternal life” be like? We don’t know of a single person who has attained this status and described the experience, so all we can do is speculate. I speculate that eternal life cannot have meaning because it has no ending. You never have to do anything today, because you will always have tomorrow. What tedium that would be, and a really nasty thing to wish on anyone. I would not wish it on you t8. Are you sure you are being careful about what you wish for? Are you sure that you are not being greedy, given that you have already beaten the odds in being born at all?
Quote So if we are both happy, then why do need to attack my belief? Would it make you feel better if I was to also become a fellow ape (animal) and know my inheritance was to become fertilizer like you?
It would be better for you if you didn’t lie in public about your biological classification. By the way, your physical inheritance IS to become fertilizer, isn’t it?Quote I guess if that was the case, then can I suggest that you are really miserable. Often miserable people like others to be miserable like them because it actually makes them less miserable to know that they aren't the only one.
You can suggest it. It does not correspond to what I feel though.Quote Stu I will not sell my soul for your glorious vision that I should be an ape and then fertilizer.
You already are an ape and will be fertilizer. As you can’t tell me what your soul is, I cannot comment on whether you wish to con someone else by selling something that cannot be defined.Quote No I am happy to stick with the truth that there is a God and we have the opportunity to have life with him for all aeons. You are allowed to not believe and you can choose to become fertilizer. It is your free will and your soul to dispose of as you see fit.
So you respect the choices that my “freewill” makes then. Shame your god doesn’t see it that way. The promised lake of fire rather makes a mockery of the concept of freewill, doesn’t it. It almost makes christianity into a not very inventive TV cartoon of a religion.Quote 2 Peter 2:12
But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish
Yup. Perishing is what I hope for eventually. Death gives meaning to life.Quote Jude 1:10-11
Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.On the subject of speaking abusively against whatever they do not understand, or understand by instinct like unreasoning animals, here is an abusive statement by a writer who never reasoned it:
Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful; 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death
Shame we don’t know who the writer of Jude was to know his motives for producing such bile. I guess the traditions invented at Nicaea have little justification behind them.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2010,21:33) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:17) No, it is that these vicars have lost their faith through exposure to Judeo-christian mythology, and are stuck in the job because they have few really useful skills.
Agreed. They are getting paid and there is no point in giving their bread and butter away on the small point that they are atheists now. I suppose it doesn't hurt the conscience either, because they don't believe any more, so what does it matter. Take the money and run so to speak.
Isn't it telling that no one finds it easy to tell the difference.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2010,21:35) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:23) I am pretty sure I will get what I want.
A mortgage, weekends at the pub with some fellow apes, abuse a few souls on Heaven Net, and to become potting mix in the end?
I have never abused anyone here.The other things you listed do not characterise my existence either.
And potting mix is supposed to be sterile, whereas my remains will be full of the bacteria that helped their decomposition.
As will yours!
Well you did bring up the subject!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:56) Are you an unhappy ape, t8? Stuart
When I am unhappy, I tend to be human. But if you believe that primitive apes are your great great… granddad, then going back further would also make you an unhappy Daffodil considering that about one-third of the code is the same. So who was the first in your lineage to dislike bees?Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,22:01) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2010,21:35) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:23) I am pretty sure I will get what I want.
A mortgage, weekends at the pub with some fellow apes, abuse a few souls on Heaven Net, and to become potting mix in the end?
I have never abused anyone here.The other things you listed do not characterise my existence either.
And potting mix is supposed to be sterile, whereas my remains will be full of the bacteria that helped their decomposition.
As will yours!
Well you did bring up the subject!
Stuart
My earth suit will break down as yours. But the soul of the righteous lives on.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2010,16:43) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:56) Are you an unhappy ape, t8? Stuart
When I am unhappy, I tend to be human. But if you believe that primitive apes are your great great… granddad, then going back further would also make you an unhappy Daffodil considering that about one-third of the code is the same. So who was the first in your lineage to dislike bees?
As I have explained to you on numerous occasions, humans are not descended from daffodils.And I like bees, so what is your point?
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2010,16:46) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,22:01) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2010,21:35) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:23) I am pretty sure I will get what I want.
A mortgage, weekends at the pub with some fellow apes, abuse a few souls on Heaven Net, and to become potting mix in the end?
I have never abused anyone here.The other things you listed do not characterise my existence either.
And potting mix is supposed to be sterile, whereas my remains will be full of the bacteria that helped their decomposition.
As will yours!
Well you did bring up the subject!
Stuart
My earth suit will break down as yours. But the soul of the righteous lives on.
Shout that in Cathedral Square or Queen Street and the good people will rightly think you are insane.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 08 2010,19:44) As I have explained to you on numerous occasions, humans are not descended from daffodils.
The common ancestor (Grand Daffy) of humans and daffodils.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 08 2010,19:45) Shout that in Cathedral Square or Queen Street and the good people will rightly think you are insane. Stuart
Yes, the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 08 2010,19:44) And I like bees, so what is your point?
Daffodils need bees and humans tend to dislike them. Grand Daffy probably liked bees, so it is kinda weird that they fell out of favour? But I guess mutations can explain anything. Hey bees migh evolve into birds. Mutations can explain that. Humans might become chickens. Mutations can describe that too.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 11 2010,09:59) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 08 2010,19:45) Shout that in Cathedral Square or Queen Street and the good people will rightly think you are insane. Stuart
Yes, the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.
All you have is hollow, unsubstantiated platitudes.Shall I invent one? The gospel is the truth for those who wish for a meaninglessly endless existence.
Stuart
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