Did jesus raise himself from the dead?

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,12:41)

Ed how many Spirits do you have? Blessings WJ

Hi WJ,

1Cor:6:17: But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit(HolySpirit).

1Cor:12:13: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,
whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free;
and have been all made to drink into one Spirit(HolySpirit).

Eph:2:18: For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father(HolySpirit).

Eph:4:4: There is one body, and one Spirit(HolySpirit), even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Phil:1:27: Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ:
that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs,
that ye stand fast in one spirit(HolySpirit), with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

How do you get three?

The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,05:55)

kerwin Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 26 2010,18:50) Jesus was using word play.   His reasons for doing so is probably the same reason he spoke in parables. Come on! Get real. When Jesus words do not agree with your theology then it is word play? Very weak indeed! WJ

Are you stating that Jesus was not using word play with the word temple. So according to you he must have meant that the Jews were to destroy the second temple and he would raise it up in three days.

I have hind sight and I know that Jesus did give the Holy Spirit to his students on the third day because John tells us he did. I also know that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit because scripture tells us more than once that it is.

I just put that together to come up with the answer I proposed.

[942767]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 26 2010,18:04)

Marty said: Quote Dead men don't preach, and why would he go and preach to those who have already been judged by the flood in Noah's day? So you would believe with the Sadducees that the spirit was annihilated after death? You must know that Jesus and Paul His chief apostle did not side with the Sadducees on the afterlife. They sided with the Pharisees who taught that the spirit continued to live after death. The story of the rich mand and Lazarus is an example. It says that the rich man “died” and sent to sheol ALIVE. As far as preaching to spirits in prison who knows what Jesus preached to them. It certainly would not have been the gospel. And neither did I say that He preached the gospel. Anyway, you are engaging in all the evasive tactics that anti-christians are so accustomed. Jesus said that He would raise up His own body. You say, “How does this prove His divinity?” All other anti-trinitarians deny that Jesus raised up His own body because it infers His divinity. Yet you ask how it proves His divinity. Mark 9:31 says, “The third day He shall rise up.” The verb is in the middle voice meaning, “The third day He shall raise Himself up….” You're being evasive. thinker

Hi thethinker;

Who said that I thought that the spirit was annihilated at death.  The soul of those in the flood were judged by God and they were destroyed.

This is what the book of Eclesiastes states:

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Ecc 12:7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

And what I stated is that when Jesus died he said, “Father into thy hands I commit my spirit”.

This is Matthews version of what the Pharisees understood Jesus to say:

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Mat 27:63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, 'After three days I will rise.'

And in teaching his disciples about his resurrection this is what Jesus taught:

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Mar 8:31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. Mar 9:31 For He taught His disciples and said to them, “The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.” Mar 10:33 “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and deliver Him to the Gentiles; Mar 10:34 and they will mock Him, and scourge Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.”

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable that Jesus used to teach some principles of life and death and is not to be taken literally.

Besides, there are many scriptures that say that God raised Jesus from the dead.  

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Ed J]

Hi WJ,

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,13:06)

No it was not the Holy Spirit speaking through Jesus when he said “I will raise it up”.

You saying that doesn't make it true?
I already shown you, yet you will NOT believe.
John 14:24: He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
the word(HolySpirit) which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,13:06)

“No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again**. This commandment have I received of my Father“.John 10:18

“The Power” that raised Jesus up came from Jesus' Father(HolySpirit)!

Acts:10:38: How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power: who went about doing good,
and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God(HolySpirit) was with him(Jesus).
Gal.1:1: Paul, an apostle…by Jesus Christ, and God the Father(HolySpirit), who raised him from(Jesus) the dead;

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 21 2010,17:56)

Hi every one, Jesus spoke with wisdom that very often left those who opposed him without a response or basically speechless! Keith

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,13:06)

Ed If you keep on with this accusing response then I will cease to have dialogue with you. Blessings WJ

Thinker left speechless are you going to join him?

Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Elizabeth]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,12:11)

Hi Ed Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,19:37) According to Science it takes someone else to raise you, once you flat-line doesn't it? According to science you cannot turn water into wine! Do you base you theology on science? Was Jesus bound to natural laws of science? In fact was his birth bound to natural laws of science? Blessings WJ

W, J.    I really like you as a person, whoever when it comes to the Holy Spirit being a Person, or who raised Jesus from the dead, I believe that God raised Him up on the third day, on Wednesday before sundown.  Not Friday.  Another subject.  
Wow,  looking for some Scriptures about the Holy Spirit being the Father, I came across something that scarred the pants of me.
All I am going to do is give you a e-mail address and hope you will look it up.
http://bupc.montana.com/whores/Popeseat.html
This material is from 11/13/2006 hopefully it is still on there, otherwise if you have a Fax Machine I will be glad to fax it to you.
Peace and Love Irene

[Ed J]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Jan. 27 2010,15:37)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,12:11) Hi Ed Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,19:37) According to Science it takes someone else to raise you, once you flat-line doesn't it? According to science you cannot turn water into wine! Do you base you theology on science? Was Jesus bound to natural laws of science? In fact was his birth bound to natural laws of science? Blessings WJ W, J.    I really like you as a person, whoever when it comes to the Holy Spirit being a Person, or who raised Jesus from the dead, I believe that God raised Him up on the third day, on Wednesday before sundown.  Not Friday.  Another subject.   Wow,  looking for some Scriptures about the Holy Spirit being the Father, I came across something that scarred the pants of me. All I am going to do is give you a e-mail address and hope you will look it up. http://bupc.montana.com/whores/Popeseat.html This material is from 11/13/2006 hopefully it is still on there, otherwise if you have a Fax Machine I will be glad to fax it to you. Peace and Love Irene

Hi Irene,

If you can copy it and post it; OK?

God bless
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 26 2010,21:10)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,05:55) kerwin kerwin,Jan. wrote: Jesus was using word play.   His reasons for doing so is probably the same reason he spoke in parables.[/color] Come on! Get real. When Jesus words do not agree with your theology then it is word play? Very weak indeed! WJ Are you stating that Jesus was not using word play with the word temple.  So according to you he must have meant that the Jews were to destroy the second temple and he would raise it up in three days. I have hind sight and I know that Jesus did give the Holy Spirit to his students on the third day because John tells us he did.   I also know that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit because scripture tells us more than once that it is. I just put that together to come up with the answer I proposed.

kerwin

Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? “But he spake of the temple of his body. WHEN THEREFORE **HE WAS RISEN FROM THE DEAD**, HIS DISCIPLES REMEMBERED THAT HE HAD SAID THIS UNTO THEM; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. John 2:20-22

John the narrator under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said he spoke of the Temple of his Body!

“But he spake of the temple of his body“.

When his body was raised the Disciples remembered “HE” had said this to them!

Blessings WJ

[kerwin]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,12:02)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 26 2010,21:10) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,05:55) kerwin kerwin,Jan. wrote: Jesus was using word play.   His reasons for doing so is probably the same reason he spoke in parables.[/color] Come on! Get real. When Jesus words do not agree with your theology then it is word play? Very weak indeed! WJ Are you stating that Jesus was not using word play with the word temple.  So according to you he must have meant that the Jews were to destroy the second temple and he would raise it up in three days. I have hind sight and I know that Jesus did give the Holy Spirit to his students on the third day because John tells us he did.   I also know that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit because scripture tells us more than once that it is. I just put that together to come up with the answer I proposed. kerwin Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? “But he spake of the temple of his body. WHEN THEREFORE **HE WAS RISEN FROM THE DEAD**, HIS DISCIPLES REMEMBERED THAT HE HAD SAID THIS UNTO THEM; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. John 2:20-22 John the narrator under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said he spoke of the Temple of his Body! “But he spake of the temple of his body“. When his body was raised the Disciples remembered “HE” had said this to them! Blessings WJ

Are you making the point that the Holy Spirit departed from Jesus' body when he died?

Are you also stating that it was the same temple the Jews destroyed that Jesus “raised” up on the third day?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Ed

You quote half of my question and then proceed to answer my question. Why did you do that?

You quoted me as asking…

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41)

how many Spirits do you have?

But my question was…

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41)

So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?

Then you say…

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,21:09)

How do you get three?

I never said there were three spirits did I?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41)

So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?

Now those were very good scriptures that you quote saying that we have “Only One Spirit”.

But you left out a few…

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you “ANOTHER COUNSELOR” to be with you forever– John 14:16

But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit,”WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME”, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. John 14:26

“When the Counselor comes, “WHOM I WILL SEND TO YOU FROM THE FATHER”, the Spirit of truth “WHO GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER’, he will testify about me. John 15:26

In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but “the Spirit himself intercedes for us” (intercedes to who) with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because “the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will“. Rom 8:26, 27

For through him (Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Eph 2:18

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that *Jesus Christ is in you*, except ye be reprobates? II Cor 13:5

For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Phil 1:19

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:9

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and “make our abode with him”. Jn 14:23

And last but not least…

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Gal 4:6

Does the Father cry Father?

Yet we know God dwells in his people!

So my complete question is…

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41)

So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?

I believe there is One God, Three Persons, and One Spirit. Matt 28:19

The very essence of what the Father is, the Son and the Holy Spirit are also!

Show us by the scriptures how that is not so?

Blessings WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 27 2010,01:21)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,12:02) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 26 2010,21:10) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,05:55) kerwin kerwin,Jan. wrote: Jesus was using word play.   His reasons for doing so is probably the same reason he spoke in parables.[/color] Come on! Get real. When Jesus words do not agree with your theology then it is word play? Very weak indeed! WJ Are you stating that Jesus was not using word play with the word temple.  So according to you he must have meant that the Jews were to destroy the second temple and he would raise it up in three days. I have hind sight and I know that Jesus did give the Holy Spirit to his students on the third day because John tells us he did.   I also know that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit because scripture tells us more than once that it is. I just put that together to come up with the answer I proposed. kerwin Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? “But he spake of the temple of his body. WHEN THEREFORE **HE WAS RISEN FROM THE DEAD**, HIS DISCIPLES REMEMBERED THAT HE HAD SAID THIS UNTO THEM; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. John 2:20-22 John the narrator under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said he spoke of the Temple of his Body! “But he spake of the temple of his body“. When his body was raised the Disciples remembered “HE” had said this to them! Blessings WJ Are you making the point that the Holy Spirit departed from Jesus' body when he died? Are you also stating that it was the same temple the Jews destroyed that Jesus “raised” up on the third day?

Kerwin

No. No.

Where do you get these questions from my post?

John under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is the narrator that said…

“But he spake of the temple of his body“.

Those words are what John understood Jesus to mean and the disciples confirmed it when he was raised.

Jesus raised himself from the dead!

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,18:06)

Ed You quote half of my question and then proceed to answer my question. Why did you do that? You quoted me as asking… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) how many Spirits do you have? But my question was… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have? Then you say… Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,21:09) How do you get three? I never said there were three spirits did I? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have? Now those were very good scriptures that you quote saying that we have “Only One Spirit”. But you left out a few… And I will ask the Father, and he will give you “ANOTHER COUNSELOR” to be with you forever– John 14:16 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit,”WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME”, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. John 14:26 “When the Counselor comes, “WHOM I WILL SEND TO YOU FROM THE FATHER”, the Spirit of truth “WHO GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER’, he will testify about me. John 15:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but “the Spirit himself intercedes for us” (intercedes to who) with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because “the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will“. Rom 8:26, 27 For through him (Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Eph 2:18 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that *Jesus Christ is in you*, except ye be reprobates? II Cor 13:5 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Phil 1:19 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:9 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and “make our abode with him”. Jn 14:23 And last but not least… And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Gal 4:6 Does the Father cry Father? Yet we know God dwells in his people! So my complete question is… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have? I believe there is One God, Three Persons, and One Spirit. Matt 28:19 The very essence of what the Father is, the Son and the Holy Spirit are also! Show us by the scriptures how that is not so? Blessings WJ

Hi WJ,

Third Post down…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….4;st=50

On that thread: “Only” “ONE Question” Per Post; OK?
That way Everybody's question should get addressed!
Whenever people put up multiple questions, the question
they want addressed MOST usually doesn't get addressed!
Have you had occasion to noticed this pattern happening at all?

ED J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Worshipping Jesus wrote:

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Where do you get these questions from my post?

It is implied in the idea Jesus temple was destroyed.  

Marty supplied the answer to one when he quoted Luke 23:46.   I am not sure that is the Holy Spirit he speaks of since spirit can mean more than one thing but it does sound right.

The second was answered by Paul’s teaching to the church in Corinth about the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:44.

The answer to the first though brought up the new question that if God has Jesus’ Spirit then doesn’t God have to give it back to Jesus before Jesus lives again?  I believe that question would apply no matter what spirit meant in that Luke 23:46.

The related point to Corinthians is that Jesus went out of the way to show he still had the wounds that “destroyed” his “’natural” body.

Worshipping Jesus wrote:

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Those words are what John understood Jesus to mean and the disciples confirmed it when he was raised.

My point is that perhaps you are overly broad in applying what John meant and he was only speaking of Jesus’ death but not his resurrection.  Note that Jesus was the prototype, i.e. first fruit, of a new creation.

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 27 2010,12:11)

Hi WJ, Spirits of men do not die but return to God. Yes he was raised by God's Spirit abiding in him.

Nick

God's Holy Spirit does not abide in anything dead, not even his son.

Georg

[Elizabeth]

To all

God's Holy Spirit dwells in all who believe the word of God, and have faith in Jesus Christ, as Paul said, we are the temple of God. That is why Jesus referred to himself as a temple; destroy it, and after three days he will raise it up again; that however does not mean he raised himself, nor does it mean he was bodily resurrected just because there was no body found. Was Jesus not a spirit being before he became a man? God gave him back his true nature, spirit, when he was resurrected.
Don't none of you understand why Jesus had to become a human being in the first place?
If Jesus came as a human being to die, and then being resurrected as a human being, why could God not do that with Adam? Why did Jesus came as a ransom? whom did he ransom? what is a ransom?
If you want to be taken serious, make some sense.

Georg

[Worshipping Jesus]

Kerwin

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 27 2010,06:22)

My point is that perhaps you are overly broad in applying what John meant and he was only speaking of Jesus’ death but not his resurrection.  Note that Jesus was the prototype, i.e. first fruit, of a new creation.

Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? “But he spake of the temple of his body. WHEN THEREFORE **HE WAS RISEN FROM THE DEAD**, HIS DISCIPLES REMEMBERED THAT HE HAD SAID THIS UNTO THEM; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. John 2:20-22

John the narrator under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said he spoke of the Temple of his Body!

“But he spake of the temple of his body“.

When his body was raised the Disciples remembered “HE” had said this to them!

Why not accept the simple reading of the text?

John clearly states that “That he spoke of his Body”!

The Apostles remembered Jesus words and their is no indication Jesus educated them any differently!

AT Robertsons says…

But he spake of the temple of his body (ekeino de elegen peri tou naou tou swmato autou). Emphatic he (ekeino) and imperfect tense (he had been speaking). This is John's view as he looks back at it, not what he understood when Jesus spoke the words.

The Gospel of John is believed to be Johns last writings. But he does not indicate in any sense in the context that he is refering to a corporate body, namely the Church!

When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and “the word which Jesus had said“. John 2:22

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2010,04:06)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,18:06) Ed You quote half of my question and then proceed to answer my question. Why did you do that? You quoted me as asking… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) how many Spirits do you have? But my question was… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have? Then you say… Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,21:09) How do you get three? I never said there were three spirits did I? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have? Now those were very good scriptures that you quote saying that we have “Only One Spirit”. But you left out a few… And I will ask the Father, and he will give you “ANOTHER COUNSELOR” to be with you forever– John 14:16 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit,”WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME”, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. John 14:26 “When the Counselor comes, “WHOM I WILL SEND TO YOU FROM THE FATHER”, the Spirit of truth “WHO GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER’, he will testify about me. John 15:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but “the Spirit himself intercedes for us” (intercedes to who) with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because “the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will“. Rom 8:26, 27 For through him (Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Eph 2:18 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that *Jesus Christ is in you*, except ye be reprobates? II Cor 13:5 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Phil 1:19 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:9 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and “make our abode with him”. Jn 14:23 And last but not least… And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Gal 4:6 Does the Father cry Father? Yet we know God dwells in his people! So my complete question is… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have? I believe there is One God, Three Persons, and One Spirit. Matt 28:19 The very essence of what the Father is, the Son and the Holy Spirit are also! Show us by the scriptures how that is not so? Blessings WJ Hi WJ, Third Post down… https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….4;st=50 On that thread: “Only” “ONE Question” Per Post; OK? That way Everybody's question should get addressed! Whenever people put up multiple questions, the question they want addressed MOST usually doesn't get addressed! Have you had occasion to noticed this pattern happening at all? ED J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed

Listen, you started the dialogue with me in this thread in which I responded to you.

You cannot set up rules for questions in one thread that you created, and then post in other threads that someone else created and then force the same rules there.

Are you not able to answer more than one question in a thread?

I will take this to mean you are not going to answer my question!

Blessings WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi Irene,
Those who are blessed in the Spirit never die.
They are ever alive to the God of the living.
The second death has no power over them.

Asleep in the mansions of Christ they await the awakening voice of the archangel.
Their bodies return to dust but new bodies await them.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2010,03:21)

Kerwin Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 27 2010,06:22) My point is that perhaps you are overly broad in applying what John meant and he was only speaking of Jesus’ death but not his resurrection.  Note that Jesus was the prototype, i.e. first fruit, of a new creation. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? “But he spake of the temple of his body. WHEN THEREFORE **HE WAS RISEN FROM THE DEAD**, HIS DISCIPLES REMEMBERED THAT HE HAD SAID THIS UNTO THEM; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. John 2:20-22 John the narrator under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said he spoke of the Temple of his Body! “But he spake of the temple of his body“. When his body was raised the Disciples remembered “HE” had said this to them! Why not accept the simple reading of the text? John clearly states that “That he spoke of his Body”! The Apostles remembered Jesus words and their is no indication Jesus educated them any differently! AT Robertsons says… But he spake of the temple of his body (ekeino de elegen peri tou naou tou swmato autou). Emphatic he (ekeino) and imperfect tense (he had been speaking). This is John's view as he looks back at it, not what he understood when Jesus spoke the words. The Gospel of John is believed to be Johns last writings. But he does not indicate in any sense in the context that he is refering to a corporate body, namely the Church! When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and “the word which Jesus had said“. John 2:22 WJ

Keith,

Amen brother! It was when He appeared to them after His resurrection that they believed His word. He said that He would raise up the temple of His body in three days. He did not say that He would build His spiritual temple in three days.

The words “raise up” does not mean “build.”

Then there is Christ's statement in Mark 9:31 where He said that He would rise again using the middle voice form of the verb. The middle voice indicates that the subject is acting upon himself. In Mark 9:31 it means, “The third day He will raise Himself up.”

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
Surely you would not build your teaching on one verse in Jn2?
Show us other supporting verses.

You will find about 17 or so telling us God raised him.

[Worshipping Jesus]

George

Quote (Elizabeth @ Jan. 27 2010,07:01)

That is why Jesus referred to himself as a temple; destroy it, and after three days he will raise it up again; that however does not mean he raised himself, nor does it mean he was bodily resurrected just because there was no body found. Was Jesus not a spirit being before he became a man? God gave him back his true nature, spirit, when he was resurrected.

You are denying the resurrection.

The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, “Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe“…. Then saith he to Thomas, “Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing“. John 20:25, 27

If Jesus was not risen then your faith is in vain. 1 Cor 15:13-20

He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, “neither his flesh did see corruption“. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Acts 2:32, 33

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