Did jesus have the same spirit as believers?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi all

In another thread it has been inferred that the Father and the Son are in the believer but it is not the Father and the Son personally! Instead, it is believed that what is in the believer is an amorphous “It” that is personal but is not a person!

Which is ridiculous and IMO disgraces the Spirit of God not to mention it flies in the face of all of the Major translations of scriptures and the translators themselves!

Scriptures tell us clearly….

“NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17

Note: It says the Lord “IS” the Spirit, and yet Is also “the Spirit of the Lord“.

How can the Lord also “be the Spirit” and yet “be the Spirit of the Lord””

Because wherever God is his Spirit is and wherever the Spirit is God is! His Spirit cannot be separated from himself since his Spirit is the same essence of who and what God is and not just what God is.

Now the last time I looked the Lord is a person, therefore if the “Lord is that Spirit” then the Spirit is a person!

Here are kathi's own words which contradict…

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05)

The Father and the Son are therefore both in the believer.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05)

Believers do not have the source of the “body of water” within them but they have what is from that “body of water”.

Found here

Either God is in us or he is not! He is not partly in us or halfway in us by some “it”.

Anti-trinitarians want us to believe that this “It” can do all these marvelous things including Love, yet believe that the Holy Spirit is not a person!

The Scriptures clearly teach that “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17

There is more to come!

Blessings WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Is the Spirit of God and His son not in you?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2009,12:42)

Hi all In another thread it has been inferred that the Father and the Son are in the believer but it is not the Father and the Son personally! Instead, it is believed that what is in the believer is an amorphous “It” that is personal but is not a person! Which is ridiculous and IMO disgraces the Spirit of God not to mention it flies in the face of all of the Major translations of scriptures and the translators themselves! Scriptures tell us clearly…. “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 Note: It says the Lord “IS” the Spirit, and yet Is also “the Spirit of the Lord“. How can the Lord also “be the Spirit” and yet “be the Spirit of the Lord”” Because wherever God is his Spirit is and wherever the Spirit is God is! His Spirit cannot be separated from himself since his Spirit is the same essence of who and what God is and not just what God is. Now the last time I looked the Lord is a person, therefore if the “Lord is that Spirit” then the Spirit is a person! Here are kathi's own words which contradict… Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05) The Father and the Son are therefore both in the believer. Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05) Believers do not have the source of the “body of water” within them but they have what is from that “body of water”. Found here Either God is in us or he is not! He is not partly in us or halfway in us by some “it”. Anti-trinitarians want us to believe that this “It” can do all these marvelous things including Love, yet believe that the Holy Spirit is not a person! The Scriptures clearly teach that “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 There is more to come! Blessings WJ

WJ,
The errors that come from anti-trinitarianism are endless.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
Are you not yet alive in the Spirit of Christ and his God?

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
You accuse believers in the scriptures of gross error?

How do you know truth from error if what you preach-God as a trinity-is found nowhere in scripture?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
You say
“Because wherever God is his Spirit is and wherever the Spirit is God is! His Spirit cannot be separated from himself since his Spirit is the same essence of who and what God is and not just what God is.

Now the last time I looked the Lord is a person, therefore if the “Lord is that Spirit” then the Spirit is a person!”

Having showed us the Spirit of God is ever one with God you contradict yourself and say the Spirit is another person separate from our Father God??

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
If you are yet apart from the Spirit of God you are dead in your sins.[Rom8]
Wake up

[Cindy]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2009,12:42)

Hi all In another thread it has been inferred that the Father and the Son are in the believer but it is not the Father and the Son personally! Instead, it is believed that what is in the believer is an amorphous “It” that is personal but is not a person! Which is ridiculous and IMO disgraces the Spirit of God not to mention it flies in the face of all of the Major translations of scriptures and the translators themselves! Scriptures tell us clearly…. “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 Note: It says the Lord “IS” the Spirit, and yet Is also “the Spirit of the Lord“. How can the Lord also “be the Spirit” and yet “be the Spirit of the Lord”” Because wherever God is his Spirit is and wherever the Spirit is God is! His Spirit cannot be separated from himself since his Spirit is the same essence of who and what God is and not just what God is. Now the last time I looked the Lord is a person, therefore if the “Lord is that Spirit” then the Spirit is a person! Here are kathi's own words which contradict… Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05) The Father and the Son are therefore both in the believer. Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05) Believers do not have the source of the “body of water” within them but they have what is from that “body of water”. Found here Either God is in us or he is not! He is not partly in us or halfway in us by some “it”. Anti-trinitarians want us to believe that this “It” can do all these marvelous things including Love, yet believe that the Holy Spirit is not a person! The Scriptures clearly teach that “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 There is more to come! Blessings WJ

W.J. Throughout the Bible it says that the Spirit is of God, God's Spirit. It is not separate from the Father, but is of the Father. We receive His Holy Spirit after Baptism when the Minister laid hands on us. Without God”s Holy Spirit we cannot understand the things of God.
Also the trinity is a man made doctrine and the first Christians did not keep it, they did not even know of it. It was a pagan upbringing man who first came up with it. His name was
Quintus Septimius Florence Tertullian. Coming out of the Catholic Church and learning how wrong that doctrine is, was a biggy for me. It was not easy for me to leave all our Friends behind. However I have never felt so close to God now. I am forever thankful to God for calling us out of that Church. Even when we called a Priest and asked Him questions about all of this, He said to Georg God is calling you. I found that very ironic, to say the least.
Sorry there is no trinity. I and others have given you many
Scriptures that prove how wrong the trinity is.

Peace and Love Irene

[Lightenup]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2009,20:42)

Hi all In another thread it has been inferred that the Father and the Son are in the believer but it is not the Father and the Son personally! Instead, it is believed that what is in the believer is an amorphous “It” that is personal but is not a person! Which is ridiculous and IMO disgraces the Spirit of God not to mention it flies in the face of all of the Major translations of scriptures and the translators themselves! Scriptures tell us clearly…. “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 Note: It says the Lord “IS” the Spirit, and yet Is also “the Spirit of the Lord“. How can the Lord also “be the Spirit” and yet “be the Spirit of the Lord”” Because wherever God is his Spirit is and wherever the Spirit is God is! His Spirit cannot be separated from himself since his Spirit is the same essence of who and what God is and not just what God is. Now the last time I looked the Lord is a person, therefore if the “Lord is that Spirit” then the Spirit is a person! Here are kathi's own words which contradict… Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05) The Father and the Son are therefore both in the believer. Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05) Believers do not have the source of the “body of water” within them but they have what is from that “body of water”. Found here Either God is in us or he is not! He is not partly in us or halfway in us by some “it”. Anti-trinitarians want us to believe that this “It” can do all these marvelous things including Love, yet believe that the Holy Spirit is not a person! The Scriptures clearly teach that “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 There is more to come! Blessings WJ

I have responded to Keith's apparent confusion here:

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y182776

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
WJ finds it necessary to raise up duststorms that would confuse the ignorant so he can offer his implications as some sort of weak support for his trinity theology that he professionally preaches.

But there are no scriptures thast say God has several persons.

[Lightenup]

Nick,
You are right. If there were several persons only two of them always knew each other. Read here:

Matt 11:27
27 “All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
NASU

Allow me to substitute “the Father” with the “first person of the trinity” and “the Son” with the “second person of the trinity” and read that again.

Matt 11:27
27 “All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the (second person of the trinity) except the (first person of the trinity); nor does anyone know the (first person of the trinity) except the (second person of the trinity), and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

Now, the term “no one” means no one. So if the Holy Spirit was a separate person with a will and a mind why would “He” not know the Son OR the Father??? Did the second person of the trinity have to reveal the first person of the trinity to the third person of the trinity??? I thought that the Spirit knows the deep things of God…hmmm! The Spirit proceeds from the Father yet the Spirit doesn't always know the Father???
NASU

This is yet another verse to suggest that the Holy Spirit is a part of the Father (as a man's spirit is part of the man and not a separate man himself) and not a separate person from the Father and the Son.

LU

[942767]

Hi WJ:

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Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth

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2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son

The spirit of the Lord is the Word of God or the spirit of the Son, but the Spirit of God our Father dwells within us as our helper. And so, if we are abiding in the Word of God, then there is liberty. There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who do not walk after the flesh but after the Spirit.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you are none of his.[Rom8]
Wake up

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 17 2009,22:17)

Hi TT, Are you not yet alive in the Spirit of Christ and his God?

NH

The Scriptures clearly teach that “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17

So why don't you address these simple points?

Is the Lord the Spirit or not?

Is your body the Temple of God or not or is it the Temple of an “It”?

Does God dwell in you or not?

How many Spirits do you have?

WJ

[bodhitharta]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2009,12:42)

Hi all In another thread it has been inferred that the Father and the Son are in the believer but it is not the Father and the Son personally! Instead, it is believed that what is in the believer is an amorphous “It” that is personal but is not a person! Which is ridiculous and IMO disgraces the Spirit of God not to mention it flies in the face of all of the Major translations of scriptures and the translators themselves! Scriptures tell us clearly…. “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 Note: It says the Lord “IS” the Spirit, and yet Is also “the Spirit of the Lord“. How can the Lord also “be the Spirit” and yet “be the Spirit of the Lord”” Because wherever God is his Spirit is and wherever the Spirit is God is! His Spirit cannot be separated from himself since his Spirit is the same essence of who and what God is and not just what God is. Now the last time I looked the Lord is a person, therefore if the “Lord is that Spirit” then the Spirit is a person! Here are kathi's own words which contradict… Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05) The Father and the Son are therefore both in the believer. Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05) Believers do not have the source of the “body of water” within them but they have what is from that “body of water”. Found here Either God is in us or he is not! He is not partly in us or halfway in us by some “it”. Anti-trinitarians want us to believe that this “It” can do all these marvelous things including Love, yet believe that the Holy Spirit is not a person! The Scriptures clearly teach that “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 There is more to come! Blessings WJ

holy (hō′lē)

adjective holier -·lier, holiest -·li·est

1.dedicated to religious use; belonging to or coming from God; consecrated; sacred

Why wouldn't the Holy Spirit be given just as a child is conceived? God gives you a portion of Spirit that grows into maturity. Remember when we think of spiritual things just remember on earth as it is in heaven. We were born through developing within flesh and we are born again through developing in Spirit.

Doesn't the baby inside of a person have to be fed and nurtured? wouldn't too much grief cause the baby to miscarry?

Within a man he has physical reproduction powers and Spiritual reproduction? Why would it be that different?

Does not nature teach us that from a single seed endless seeds come forth and some go tto fertile ground and some fall on rocks.

This is one of the reasons why I don't support or accept the trinity concept although I do support and accept you.

God Bless you Always!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 17 2009,21:32)

Hi WJ, Is the Spirit of God and His son not in you?

NH

Yes how about you, does God live inside of you?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
God is at work in us to will and to do.
Phil2
Eph 2

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 17 2009,22:40)

Hi WJ, You say “Because wherever God is his Spirit is and wherever the Spirit is God is! His Spirit cannot be separated from himself since his Spirit is the same essence of who and what God is and not just what God is. Now the last time I looked the Lord is a person, therefore if the “Lord is that Spirit” then the Spirit is a person!” Having showed us the Spirit of God is ever one with God you contradict yourself and say the Spirit is another person separate from our Father God??

Hi NH

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 17 2009,22:40)

Having showed us the Spirit of God is ever one with God you contradict yourself and say the Spirit is another person separate from our Father God??

No. I showed you scriptures that says the the Spirit is God, for God is Spirit.

You and all the other Arians claim there is a spirit that is seperate from God which you claim is an “It” that lives in you!

You claim that your body is “the Temple of an it” and that God does not live in you!

The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are One God that lives in us. Scriptures teach this which you deny!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 18 2009,00:37)

Hi WJ, God is at work in us to will and to do. Phil2 Eph 2

NH

Thank you. Good scripture! So the Spirit at work in us is God!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 17 2009,23:28)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2009,12:42) Hi all In another thread it has been inferred that the Father and the Son are in the believer but it is not the Father and the Son personally! Instead, it is believed that what is in the believer is an amorphous “It” that is personal but is not a person! Which is ridiculous and IMO disgraces the Spirit of God not to mention it flies in the face of all of the Major translations of scriptures and the translators themselves! Scriptures tell us clearly…. “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 Note: It says the Lord “IS” the Spirit, and yet Is also “the Spirit of the Lord“. How can the Lord also “be the Spirit” and yet “be the Spirit of the Lord”” Because wherever God is his Spirit is and wherever the Spirit is God is! His Spirit cannot be separated from himself since his Spirit is the same essence of who and what God is and not just what God is. Now the last time I looked the Lord is a person, therefore if the “Lord is that Spirit” then the Spirit is a person! Here are kathi's own words which contradict… Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05) The Father and the Son are therefore both in the believer. Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2009,12:05) Believers do not have the source of the “body of water” within them but they have what is from that “body of water”. Found here Either God is in us or he is not! He is not partly in us or halfway in us by some “it”. Anti-trinitarians want us to believe that this “It” can do all these marvelous things including Love, yet believe that the Holy Spirit is not a person! The Scriptures clearly teach that “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 There is more to come! Blessings WJ W.J.  Throughout the Bible it says that the Spirit is of God, God's Spirit.  It is not separate from the Father, but is of the Father.  We receive His Holy Spirit after Baptism when the Minister laid hands on us.  Without God”s Holy Spirit we cannot understand the things of God.   Also the trinity is a man made doctrine and the first Christians did not keep it, they did not even know of it.  It was a pagan upbringing man who first came up with it. His name was Quintus Septimius Florence Tertullian.  Coming out of the Catholic Church and learning how wrong that doctrine is, was a biggy for me.  It was not easy for me to leave all our Friends behind.  However I have never felt so close to God now.  I am forever thankful to God for calling us out of that Church.  Even when we called a Priest and asked Him questions about all of this, He said to Georg God is calling you.  I found that very ironic, to say the least. Sorry there is no trinity.  I and others have given you many Scriptures that prove how wrong the trinity is.   Peace and Love Irene

Hi Irene

The Scriptures clearly teach that “NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT“, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17

So why don't you address these simple points?

Is the Lord the Spirit or not?

Is your body the Temple of God or not or is it the Temple of an “It”?

Does God dwell in you or not?

How many Spirits do you have?

WJ

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