Did God die on the cross

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
So godhead means God.
Why do you have several gods?

[Lightenup]

Nick,
It depends on which side of the equation you are looking at. Many things are one of something on the left side of the equals sign yet there are more than one thing on the right side. For example:

1 family = 1 father + 1 mother + 1 or more children
See how that is 1 = 1+1+1

or…
1 deck of cards = 13 clubs + 13 hearts + 13 diamonds + 13 spades
1 = 13 + 13 + 13 + 13

Do you see how the numbers without the words to explain them doesn't seem to 'add' up correctly?

1 fullness of God = 1 God, the Father + 1 God, the Son + 1 Holy Spirit

So we must put away 'worldly' wisdom and seek Godly wisdom on this manner or things might not line up so well.

Kathi

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
But all you have offered is worldly wisdom.
?

[Lightenup]

No Nick, if it were worldly wisdom, I wouldn't have been asked by you about the several gods.

[Lightenup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2012,02:04)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2012,00:56) Pierre, Maybe you are just unaware. Col 2:9: New International Version (©1984) For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, New Living Translation (©2007) For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. English Standard Version (©2001) For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, New American Standard Bible (©1995) For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. International Standard Version (©2008) because all the essence of deity inhabits him in bodily form. Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) For all The Fullness of The Deity dwells in him bodily. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) All of God lives in Christ's body, King James 2000 Bible (©2003) For in him dwells all the fullness of the Deity bodily. American King James Version For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. American Standard Version for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Douay-Rheims Bible For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally; Darby Bible Translation For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily; English Revised Version for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Webster's Bible Translation For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Weymouth New Testament For it is in Christ that the fulness of God's nature dwells embodied, and in Him you are made complete, World English Bible For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily, Young's Literal Translation because in him doth tabernacle all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Kathi I still do not understand that word and the relation to God except that it seems to say some thing what is not been teach by Christ ,or his disciples ,this are bad translation the ones that use that word it look ambiguous to me, strange word in deed ,what would the Greek word used that his translated in a word like that ?

Pierre,

Do you not know how to find out what Greek word was used that was translated as Godhead?

Bookmark this site:
http://bible.cc/colossians/2-9.htm

Then in the search box, enter your Bible passage address, then press enter and you will go right to that verse. From there you can click on the 'interlinear tab' to see the Greek or Hebrew words. For example:

http://interlinearbible.org/colossians/2-9.htm

There, from that link, you will find out the meaning of the word 'Godhead.' You just click on the Strong's number above the word, in this case #2320.

http://concordances.org/greek/strongs_2320.htm

See how that works?

Then you can go back to here:

http://interlinearbible.org/colossians/2-9.htm

Click on the [e] next to the Strong's number to see all the times that word is used, and part of the verse it is found in.
Like so:

http://concordances.org/greek/strongs_2320.htm

You can see that the word for Godhead has one occurrence.

I hope that helps,
Kathi

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2012,20:25)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2012,02:04) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2012,00:56) Pierre, Maybe you are just unaware. Col 2:9: New International Version (©1984) For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, New Living Translation (©2007) For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. English Standard Version (©2001) For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, New American Standard Bible (©1995) For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. International Standard Version (©2008) because all the essence of deity inhabits him in bodily form. Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) For all The Fullness of The Deity dwells in him bodily. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) All of God lives in Christ's body, King James 2000 Bible (©2003) For in him dwells all the fullness of the Deity bodily. American King James Version For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. American Standard Version for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Douay-Rheims Bible For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally; Darby Bible Translation For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily; English Revised Version for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Webster's Bible Translation For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Weymouth New Testament For it is in Christ that the fulness of God's nature dwells embodied, and in Him you are made complete, World English Bible For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily, Young's Literal Translation because in him doth tabernacle all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Kathi I still do not understand that word and the relation to God except that it seems to say some thing what is not been teach by Christ ,or his disciples ,this are bad translation the ones that use that word it look ambiguous to me, strange word in deed ,what would the Greek word used that his translated in a word like that ? Pierre, Do you not know how to find out what Greek word was used that was translated as Godhead? Bookmark this site: http://bible.cc/colossians/2-9.htm Then in the search box, enter your Bible passage address, then press enter and you will go right to that verse. From there you can click on the 'interlinear tab' to see the Greek or Hebrew words. For example: http://interlinearbible.org/colossians/2-9.htm There, from that link, you will find out the meaning of the word 'Godhead.' You just click on the Strong's number above the word, in this case #2320. http://concordances.org/greek/strongs_2320.htm See how that works? Then you can go back to here: http://interlinearbible.org/colossians/2-9.htm Click on the [e] next to the Strong's number to see all the times that word is used, and part of the verse it is found in. Like so: http://concordances.org/greek/strongs_2320.htm You can see that the word for Godhead has one occurrence. I hope that helps, Kathi

Kathi

yes I have seen it but now what ,it just means God the father,or the highest God ,godhead,like headmaster,head officer,

it does not change nothing in scriptures ,right ?

[Lightenup]

Pierre,
How could it mean that the fullness of the Father was in Him when the Father was in heaven?

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
God manifested every aspect of His nature by His Spirit in His son.
the fruit and powers showed that

[Lightenup]

Ahh Nick,
You are using worldly wisdom here.

Actually Jesus always had that nature in its fullest from eternity. That is what makes Him a Son and also God with His Father.

[NickHassan]

Hi Lu,
You never change

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2012,20:49)

Pierre, How could it mean that the fullness of the Father was in Him when the Father was in heaven?

Kathi

what is the fullness of some thing ,???

is this mean that it is the TOTAL OF THAT THING ??OR A FULL REPRESENTATION OF THAT THING

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,22:22)

Hi Lu, You never change

James 1:5-8

5But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind. 7For that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord, 8being a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

[Lightenup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2012,04:10)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2012,20:49) Pierre, How could it mean that the fullness of the Father was in Him when the Father was in heaven? Kathi what is the fullness of some thing ,??? is this mean that it is the TOTAL OF THAT THING ??OR A FULL REPRESENTATION OF THAT THING

Pierre,
John 1:1c doesn't say “and the word was a representative of God.” The word WAS God.

The fullness of the Godhead is in Jesus, not in part but in it's fullness.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2012,13:49)

Pierre, How could it mean that the fullness of the Father was in Him when the Father was in heaven?

Hi LU,
You need to find the answer to your own question not use it as some sort of platform for polytheism.

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2012,07:24)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2012,04:10) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2012,20:49) Pierre, How could it mean that the fullness of the Father was in Him when the Father was in heaven? Kathi what is the fullness of some thing ,??? is this mean that it is the TOTAL OF THAT THING ??OR A FULL REPRESENTATION OF THAT THING Pierre, John 1:1c doesn't say “and the word was a representative of God.” The word WAS God. The fullness of the Godhead is in Jesus, not in part but in it's fullness.

Kathi

so let see ,John 1;1 is a description of what ? and where ??

[Lightenup]

Nick,
So one of the two that are our God is just your neighbor? Unity is a spiritually appraised term and worldly wisdom has to be put aside to perceive the unity of God in your heart. We are to believe God's word over man's understanding.

Here is a compilation of the several passages and/or scriptural reasonings that suggest that Jesus Christ is deity.

Isaiah 54:5
“For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth.  

Mark 12:35 While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, “How is it that the teachers of the law say that the Christ is the son of David? 36David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:

“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’i
37 David himself calls him ‘Lord.’  How then can he be his son?”

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.  

Luke 1:11 And an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing to the right of the altar of incense. 12Zacharias was troubled when he saw the angel, and fear gripped him. 13But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your petition has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will give him the name John. 14“You will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15“For he will be great in the sight of the Lord;  and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother’s womb. 16“And he will turn many of the sons of Israel back to the Lord their God . 17“It is he who will go as a forerunner before Him  in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, so as to make ready a people prepared for  the Lord .”

The “Lord their God” here is the same one that John goes before as a forerunner…i.e. Jesus.

“For he will be great in the sight of the Lord;

Jesus speaking:
Matt 11:11 I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist;  yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God  who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “ I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die.

John 20:26After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.” 27Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”  29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

Acts 20:28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Acts 10:34
34Opening his mouth, Peter said:
“I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, 35but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him. 36“The word which He sent to the sons of Israel,preaching peace through Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all) —37you yourselves know the thing which took place throughout all Judea, starting from Galilee, after the baptism which John proclaimed. 38“You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. 39“We are witnesses of all the things He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross. 40“God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible, 41not to all the people, but to ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. 42“And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead. 43“Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.

Romans 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of  Christ, who is God over all,  forever praised! Amen.

1 Corinthians 1:2 NAS
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

1 Cor 2:6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; 7but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood;  for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;

1 Cor 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle–sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead–

1 Cor 7:22 For he who was called in the Lord while a slave, is the Lord's freedman ; likewise he who was called while free, is Christ's slave. 23 You were bought with a price ; do not become slaves of men.

Colossians 4:12 NAS
Epaphras, who is one of your number, a bond-slave of Jesus Christ, sends you his greetings, always laboring earnestly for you in his prayers, that you may stand perfect and fully assured in all the will of God.

This shows that Jesus is not just a mere man like us or it wouldn't be a good thing to be His slave.

Philippians 2:6 (New American Standard Bible)
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

2 Thessalonians 1:12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word.

If you look at the Greek, you will see that all the verbs that are in these two verses are written in the singular form, yet there are two subjects which would normally require the verbs to be written in plural form.  This suggests a compound unity of two persons, acting as one person

Tit 2:13, 14
…while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of “our great God and Savior”, Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for us, “that he (Jesus) might redeem us from
all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works”.

Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

Jude 1:4
For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Rev 17:14 “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”

Rev 19:16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

Deut 10:17 “For the LORD (Jehovah) your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
A man is God??

No there is one God

[Lightenup]

Nick,

God the Son became man. If you miss that, you miss the gospel.
Matt 10:33
“But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
God the Son?
That is not in scripture but in catholic dogma.

[Lightenup]

Nick,
You wouldn't know God the Son because you deny Him, even after shown many scriptures that call the Son 'God' you still deny Him. There is a reason that the Catholics believe in Jesus as God the Son. You should get to know why. Start with scripture, those I posted for you.

He who has eyes to see…

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