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Gen. 5:24 “And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.”
What do you think, “God took him”, means?
read the book of enoch and you will know ,it might seem strang because he refers to god ,lord of spirits ,never heard that before ,some things sound strang but me is not god the calender is where me was thinking well he cant be hearing from god,but how do me know how many days were in a year in his time 364 or 365,and the portals sound strange but who is me to say what is from god,read it dont get caught up in the comming and going of things,and ask god to give you wisdom and understanding,me believe enoch is still walking with god.
Him,
God is called the father of spirits.Heb 12
” 9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? “hi nh very true thank you for pointing that out to me, me and my wife read the book of enoch last week ,because he (lord of spirits)god lead me to,and my wife thought it sounded strange ,so me will give her your input, anyhow that is how me found this sight ,gods leading is awsome ,he lead me right to the truth,me have found joy ,that people like you, are still speaking the truth and seeking him,for we only have one teacher,so dont look to man but to him,and he will give you the true understanding of his truth.there may only be a few not to caught up in the traditions of men to seek him,for this is the last day,for if you seek him with your whole hart you will find him,yahshua loves you,for he came into the world that he would not lose even one of his ,he will show you the father and all things ,praise him,got to go its late. repent with your hole hart in love with love through love you will find him
Quote (IM4Truth @ July 06 2007,21:57) Gen. 5:24 “And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.” What do you think, “God took him”, means?
Hi IM4truth,FOr 300 years Enoch walked with God while he lived.
And then he was not any longer because God took him.
God took him means that Enoch died. Just as we all will die.Enoch died just like all humans must die.
Because God at one point moved Enoch out of harms way so that he wouldn’t see death at that time, people preach that he never saw death.Carefully read Hbr 11:1 thru Hbr 11:13.
You will find that
-by faith Abel offered God a more excellent sacrifice
-by faith Enoch was translated (moved) out of deaths path
-by faith Noah prepared an ark
-by faith Abraham obeyed when he was called
– by faith Sara became with childAnd then Hbr 11:13 clearly says
“These ALL died in faith….”All of these people (including Enoch) died in faith.
Tim
did alijah die also, was the firey chariot his death ,hmmm,truely all of these did die, even alijah,they all died to thier flesh,that thay might walk right before god thru faith and obedeance,and some,of these died the physical death,praise god for death,for god springeth forth life out of death.
tim enoch is alive,read ,verse 12 there came from one even as good as dead, maybe (sara),a great multitude, verse 13 these all died in faith, the multitude! for god does not contridict himself,and enoch(verse 5) did not see death,ask god for he knows all things,he will not lie. chapter 11 heb
Right on Tim
Paul tells us in;
1 Cor. 15:22 “For as in Adam ALL DIE, even so in Christ SHALL ALL be made alive.”
And let's not forget what Jesus said;
John 3:13 “And NO MAN has ascended up to heaven,…”
Besides, hear is what we read in;
Heb. 9:27 “And as it is appointed unto men ONCE TO DIE, but after this the judgment.”You're right michaels, God does not contradict himself; Heb. chapter 11 does include Enoch.
Blessings
tim our father is not the god of the dead but the liveing,did not jesus say so,if we keep his saying we will never see death,not even physical death,when its time he will just take us,for the physical world is not real ,like the spiritual,did not jesus walk on water,against physical laws,did he not asend to heaven,in his physical body,for if we have faith not even the law of graity can keep us down,we can fly,for who are these who fly,hmmm,do they know god and keep his ways,you speak of death,that is good for we should all die to our flesh,and follow in yahshua's steps.to obey the father,and walk in ritchesness,may the truth lead you into all truth.
are we not passed from judgement,on to life,so if we are indeed allready dead but alive in christ ,then we are already in heaven,all we have to do is open our eyes to see it,for the kingdom of heaven is at hand,repent and follow god,to love him with our hole hearts and follow all his ways,then he will come down and sup with you and you will know him,if you know him what power is greater that it could take your life that he freely gives to his own,there is none.so dont worry about physical death,just seek him,who made all things,for his hand is mighty he giveth years to who he may,and taketh away from the evildoers who will see that death and judgment.
Why was Enoch translated? That he should not see death. Enoch did not die. He is the exception to all those in Hebrews 11. At the time of his translation they evidently sought to find Enoch but he was not found because God took him. God did not bring death upon Enoch.
Take Care
Mr. Steve
Quote (Mr. Steve @ July 18 2007,06:01) Why was Enoch translated? That he should not see death. Enoch did not die. He is the exception to all those in Hebrews 11. At the time of his translation they evidently sought to find Enoch but he was not found because God took him. God did not bring death upon Enoch. Take Care
Mr. Steve
Hi Mrsteve,What does translated mean to you?
Hebrews 11 says nothing about an exception.Tim
Quote (michaels @ July 17 2007,14:44) tim enoch is alive,read ,verse 12 there came from one even as good as dead, maybe (sara),a great multitude, verse 13 these all died in faith, the multitude! for god does not contridict himself,and enoch(verse 5) did not see death,ask god for he knows all things,he will not lie. chapter 11 heb
HI Michaels,verse 5 does not say that Enoch never died.
We read too much into scriptures when we add to them.Verse 5 merely says that God translated Enoch so that he would not see death.
I was in a car wreck once and God kept me from going through the windshield so that I would not see death. But I will still die some time.
My wife was in a coma for quite a while. The doctors had very little hope for her.
God gave her back life so that she would not see death.
But she will still die at some time.Why do you believe that just because God moved Enoch at one time so that he would not see death at that particular moment, that he could not still die at some time later on?
Bless you Michaels,
Tim
It's an interesting conversation. But I guess I would like to ask if Elijah died.
He was taken up in a chariot and he also appeared with Moses in the transfiguration. I think it is written that Moses died however.
Then we have the verse that says that all the graves were open when Christ rose and we are also taught that when we are away from the body, we are present with the Lord.
Just food for thought. No axe to grind here.
tim then can you explain why jesus said you will never see death if you keep my saying,he is the truth not a liar,did god tell you what that saying is ,because me know,if you ask him he might tell you ,then you will never see death either ,well then we wouldent have anything to talk about,for you would know,is god hand not mighty enough is he limited can we put him in a box can we meashure him,does he have a begining or an end,if enich walked with god,and was not for god took him,do you think that gods arm is to short to extend our lifes or take us up at any second if he so desires,if he supped with god and walked with him,dont you think god might have just enjoyed his company,for he was ritchess in gods eyes,why would he have to die,death is due to sin,dont sin keep his 10 commandments repent for our ways and believe in jesus,then we still may have to die the physical death, unless our hearts are set on him and we keep his saying, but what is death but life for when we die we are instantly with him,wow me ready to go today for there is no place that compares to being with him just the awe of his mighty presence praise you father
Quote (t8 @ July 18 2007,12:05) we are also taught that when we are away from the body, we are present with the Lord.
Hi T8,I am surprised to see you quoting unscriptural colloquialisms.
I have come to see you as an independent thinker who does not merely repeat
what other people say. I put a lot of stock in your interpretations of the scriptures.One of the “quotes” that I heard repeated countless times in the church
by people with their chests puffed out with their knowledge of scriptures
was “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord”.This of course is no where to be found in scriptures.
What 2 Cr 5:6 and 2 Cr 5:8 tells us is;
2Cr 5:6
Therefore [we are] always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:2Cr 5:8
We are confident, , and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.In other words we know that while we are at home in our body, we are absent from the Lord. We would rather be absent from the body and be present with the Lord. That does not mean that just because we are absent from the body that we are present with the Lord.
It is the same as me saying that while I am present in Indiana I am absent from Florida,
I would rather be absent from Indiana and be present in Florida. However I could be absent from Indiana and not be present in Florida.Tim
Quote (michaels @ July 18 2007,16:26) tim then can you explain why jesus said you will never see death if you keep my saying,he is the truth not a liar,did god tell you what that saying is ,because me know,if you ask him he might tell you ,then you will never see death either ,well then we wouldent have anything to talk about,for you would know,is god hand not mighty enough is he limited can we put him in a box can we meashure him,does he have a begining or an end,if enich walked with god,and was not for god took him,do you think that gods arm is to short to extend our lifes or take us up at any second if he so desires,if he supped with god and walked with him,dont you think god might have just enjoyed his company,for he was ritchess in gods eyes,why would he have to die,death is due to sin,dont sin keep his 10 commandments repent for our ways and believe in jesus,then we still may have to die the physical death, unless our hearts are set on him and we keep his saying, but what is death but life for when we die we are instantly with him,wow me ready to go today for there is no place that compares to being with him just the awe of his mighty presence praise you father
Hi michaels,You will see physical death and I will see physical death, Jesus saw physical death and Enoch saw physical death. Physical death is what we are talking about.
God said you will surely die and you will surely die.
It was the snake that said thou shalt not surely die.
Who do you believe?Tim
is jesus the snake you speak of,he said me will never die me dont know about you,do you know him john 8:52 1 john 2:3-7
me think this saphire mountain in the middle,in the book of enoch,is the angle with gods name in him ,pretending to be god in ex 24, for they said they all saw god,yet jesus said ,none have seen the father,this angle was standing on saphire,hmmm.this mountain also is as enoch said the path of the angles.for he saw the path of the angles.
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