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The New Encyclopædia Britannica says:
“Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”
—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.The New Catholic Encyclopedia states:
“The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”
—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.In The Encyclopedia Americana we read:
“Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”
—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/trinity-part1/page/447/#post-49562
A theology of the Holy Spirit developed slowly, largely in response to controversies over the relation of Jesus Christ to God the Father. In 325, the Council of Nicaea condemned as heresy the Arian teaching that the Son was a creature, neither equal to, nor coeternal with, the Father. ………Later pronouncements brought only one important doctrinal change, the 9th-century addition of filioque to the creed of Constantinople. That addition, that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the son, has been a source of discord between Eastern and Western Christianity ever since.
Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2002. © 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.Does the video show where Christians preached the Trinity Doctrine? Does it show where in the Old Testament that YHWH is a trinue being. Does it prove that the Trinity Doctrine was the foundation of the true faith in the first century.
If not, then it happened later, after the Bible and we are right to not accept them at face value.
As I understand, the Trinity Doctrine was formed to counter heresies that arose in the early church – in particular ‘Arianism’ which denied the true Deity of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ…as you also do.
Hi Davidl.
If what you preach was of the Spirit it would be clearly taught in the holy bible.
But you only have the support of men from the time of the great apostasy.
It is a terrible heresy engineered to combat other errors as you told us
DavidL.
There was a cane beetle in Australia that was ruining the cane industry and costing millions. The fix was to introduce a natural enemy of the cane beetle. The cane toad was introduced but it became and even bigger pest than the beetle. It is currently destroying the food chain in Australia and has had a huge negative impact on Australian species.
Think of the cane beetle as Arius doctrine and the cane toad as Athanasius Trinity doctrine.
You cannot fix error with error.
Although to be honest, I do not know what Arius doctrine truly was because his writings were burned and history is written biasedly toward the victor. Athanasius doctrine I know of and rightly reject.
You have become cross-eyed looking so closely at catholic creeds…
Trinity simply means Tri-Unity
(The Unity of Three)
It is so simple – You cannot have the Father without the Son or the Spirit..!!!
They work together in perfect unity.
The Scripture declares this reality so openly
..but your vision is blurred by archaic doctrine.
Hi davidl,
You told us your dogma was formed to counter error in the third or fourth century.
Yet it is the most dangerous heresy of all.
God is one.
Men have added to truth.
“Let Us make man in Our image…”
“The Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
“I and the Father are One.”
…care to ADD anything…?
Hi davidl,
You told us the TRINITY concept was developed by MEN to counter heresies.
It was not taught by Jesus Christ so who is your TEACHER?
David,
Jesus declare “I and the Father are one” but you do not believe it or you would believe that Jesus teaches they live by the same Spirit. This is confirmed because Scripture teaches they are one in the Spirit.
You claim they are one in essence but that is not written in Scripture but instead God demonstrates their essence is not the same.
The Spiritually minded would hear that he is teaching about living by the Spirit but the natural minded invent schemes and so have other understandings.
Give up the ways of the world that are so comfortable to us human beings and embrace the ways of the world to come.
To all,
I believe it is plausible the imperial cult was an element in the development of the Trinity. The council of Nicea declared emperor Jesus Christ as one of the gods just as some Roman emperors were and did not voice an opinion about the Holy Spirit.
It may have happened instinctively instead of being premeditated.
Nick
Trinity is not Polytheism..
Jesus is not a separate god to the Father..
He is One WITH the Father.
Simple question: Can you have the Father without the Son or the Holy Spirit..?
Nick
we know He is the Son…
But the question is: Can you have the Father without the Son or the Spirit..?
We believe the Three are One in Unity
As revealed in Scripture.
Kerwin
You claim they are one in essence but that is not written in Scripture
The Scriptures are the work of the Spirit
But if you cannot see or hear with your heart
Then all you get is dead theological concepts
And miss the reality given by the Spirit.
Those who deny the true Deity of Jesus Christ must change the meaning of many Scriptures (starting with John 1:1) so as to suit their own uninspired doctrine..
If Jesus was only one with the Father in the same way as we are..
Then we should be able to say the same things He said…
And yet no one can.
Christ far transcends our vague and pathetic concepts of unity..
Our unity (when it happens) will one day make us the body of Christ on earth..
But His Unity with the Father makes Him Head over ALL power and authority…
Not another god – but One with God, as Scripture testifies..
“..and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..”
“And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.”
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:”
“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
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