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I have seen the most ungodliness fro m those who profess God, they seem fit enough to disqualify everyone that disagrees with their own limited view.
Most Christians believe that Most Christians are not real Christians but at the same time feel that their view QUALIFIES
Why is there a great need to disqualify people from God's acceptance do they really know God that well enough to speak on HIS behalf? Has God revealed to them a certain message?
Even when people here attack the Catholic Church have that no sense that the Catholic Church compiled the original Holy Bible that they believe in? The Protestant Bible is an offshoot of The Catholic Bible but most don't know yet they Judge without knowledge because they have a personal need to disqualify others in order to feel better about themselves and that is the most ungodly type of person of all.
Very perceptive Bod.
Virtually every one of the thirty some thousand denominations of Christianity believe that they, and only they, have the right understanding and all the others are wrong. Yet all are being led by the same Holy Spirit.
Why is that?
Tim
Hi Tim,
Read the story, in the bible, of the 'tower of babel' to find the answer to your question. (Genesis 11:1-9)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgReason for edit: to add bible reference
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 01 2012,17:52) I have seen the most ungodliness fro m those who profess God, they seem fit enough to disqualify everyone that disagrees with their own limited view. Most Christians believe that Most Christians are not real Christians but at the same time feel that their view QUALIFIES
Why is there a great need to disqualify people from God's acceptance do they really know God that well enough to speak on HIS behalf? Has God revealed to them a certain message?
Even when people here attack the Catholic Church have that no sense that the Catholic Church compiled the original Holy Bible that they believe in? The Protestant Bible is an offshoot of The Catholic Bible but most don't know yet they Judge without knowledge because they have a personal need to disqualify others in order to feel better about themselves and that is the most ungodly type of person of all.
bodI have no quarrel with you if you stay Muslim,but the problem starts when you try to show yourself to be a Christian as well and so make those two faith the same when they are NOT,
and specially when you try to convince people that the Koran and the bible are equal and same origine ,this is most untrue ,
now if you say that Islam is similar to Catholisism this does not botter me at all because catholic is as far from the bible as Islam is,or Mormon i have again no quarrel with this they also are in the dark,
In truth I do not care for religion at all,
so stay away from making the words of God Jehovah equale to the Koran and we will go a long way ,
Gandi said to the British “I LOVE YOUR CHRIST BUT I HATE YOUR CHRISTIANS ,
not all Jews are Jews and so not all who says that they are Christians are really Christians ,
I guess it goes with all denominations in the world ,
Pierre
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 01 2012,10:52) I have seen the most ungodliness fro m those who profess God, they seem fit enough to disqualify everyone that disagrees with their own limited view. Most Christians believe that Most Christians are not real Christians but at the same time feel that their view QUALIFIES
Why is there a great need to disqualify people from God's acceptance do they really know God that well enough to speak on HIS behalf? Has God revealed to them a certain message?
Even when people here attack the Catholic Church have that no sense that the Catholic Church compiled the original Holy Bible that they believe in? The Protestant Bible is an offshoot of The Catholic Bible but most don't know yet they Judge without knowledge because they have a personal need to disqualify others in order to feel better about themselves and that is the most ungodly type of person of all.
Bod, attacking a denomination is different to attacking a person.Likewise attacking the tax system is not the same as attacking all those who work for the IRS.
There is only one true Church in scripture and it is the Body of Christ. Rather than attack each denomination, I personally feel it is better to recognize that no denomination is the Church.
If a believer is spiritually minded, then he will know who are his brothers in the spirit. When a person is carnal minded, they will tend to divide over variables, and will often ignore the absolutes.
Jesus said, not all who say Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom, but those that do the will of the Father. And scripture spells out the will of the Father quite clearly and it is not to join a denomination.
If we understand history, we will understand why we see thousands of denominations.
Firstly, denominations are the result of the Beast (Rome) doing a deal with (some) Christians to create the Harlot Church which is the result of the Holy Roman Empire which morphed into the Roman Catholic Church. The mother denomination has many daughters who are like her, but have rebelled against her. Carnal thinking spawns carnal thinking.
Secondly, as God divided natural man through language because of his works in his own name, so it is that God does the same thing with his people. Think of denominations as the languages of Christianity. I see this as a curse and not a blessing. So when men do works in their own name, Catholic, Anglican, Presbyterian…, then they will be divided into these languages of which they speak among themselves and are little understood by others.
The true Church is the Body of Christ. If we have the mind of Christ we will not partake in works of iniquity and division, rather we will be spiritually minded and see that God's kingdom is indeed not of this world and consequently, we do not need to prop the kingdom up with the things of this world, which denominations do all the time. Rather the Kingdom is within us.
Attacking the truth because of trolls or the ignorant is a vice of the Devil. The truth changes not because man is weak. It is better to see the truth and be aware of the traps that lay for the children of God, and call them what they are, rather than brand the truth with such failings.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 01 2012,21:23) Hi Tim, Read the story, in the bible, of the 'tower of babel' to find the answer to your question. (Genesis 11:1-9)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgReason for edit: to add bible reference
Yes, ED because they all wanted to make a name for themselves just like you.You bend over backwards to try to place people in the wrong and it makes you feel good.
When I talk to anyone about God I really listen if it is God they are promoting or their idea about God. I can totally disagree about someones idea about God but I could never deny someone having closeness to God because that is an experience beyond ideas.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 01 2012,22:36) Bod, attacking a denomination is different to attacking a person. Likewise attacking the tax system is not the same as attacking all those who work for the IRS.
There is only one true Church in scripture and it is the Body of Christ. Rather than attack each denomination, I personally feel it is better to recognize that no denomination is the Church.
If a believer is spiritually minded, then he will know who are his brothers in the spirit. When a person is carnal minded, they will tend to divide over variables, and will often ignore the absolutes.
Jesus said, not all who say Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom, but those that do the will of the Father. And scripture spells out the will of the Father quite clearly and it is not to join a denomination.
If we understand history, we will understand why we see thousands of denominations.
Firstly, denominations are the result of the Beast (Rome) doing a deal with (some) Christians to create the Harlot Church which is the result of the Holy Roman Empire which morphed into the Roman Catholic Church. The mother denomination has many daughters who are like her, but have rebelled against her. Carnal thinking spawns carnal thinking.
Secondly, as God divided natural man through language because of his works in his own name, so it is that God does the same thing with his people. Think of denominations as the languages of Christianity. I see this as a curse and not a blessing. So when men do works in their own name, Catholic, Anglican, Presbyterian…, then they will be divided into these languages of which they speak among themselves and are little understood by others.
The true Church is the Body of Christ. If we have the mind of Christ we will not partake in works of iniquity and division, rather we will be spiritually minded and see that God's kingdom is indeed not of this world and consequently, we do not need to prop the kingdom up with the things of this world, which denominations do all the time. Rather the Kingdom is within us.
Attacking the truth because of trolls or the ignorant is a vice of the Devil. The truth changes not because man is weak. It is better to see the truth and be aware of the traps that lay for the children of God, and call them what they are, rather than brand the truth with such failings.
While I enjoyed your post it misses the mark. Denominations can all still be valid to some of the individuals within it and infact denominations help the continuous spread of the knowledge of God. Your view of the Catholic Church along with your negative speculative theory does nothing to diminish those of that faith that do the Will of God.You have decided yourself what is right and what is wrong beyond what the scriptures say. For instance you cannot show me any scripture that deals with another faith and yet you condemn Islam out of ignorance and devoid of any scriptural reason and not just Islam any other religion or idea system and the Bible is completely silent on these things you judge.
Why make up objections that are not there in the first place
I have seen many people true in faith, the Faith in God
Bod, I don't think you are getting what I am saying.
Within denominations there is a mix of true believers and even those that do not belong to God. A combination that leads to luke-warmness.
The Body of Christ is exclusively filled with believers who have the spirit of God.
Denominations serve to divide and control whether that is the intention or not.
Great works of God are done by people of any denomination and those outside of denominations.Let it be known that it is not the structures that do the work, but the people.
The people is what the Church is. Denominations with their varying creeds are just clubs that some join and end up serving instead of God.A spiritually minded person will see the Body of Christ and knows that the Kingdom and the Church are not of this world and are not structured as the systems of this world. A carnal person does not see the world structures that try to contain the Body of Christ and thinks that the denominations themselves are the Church.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2012,06:07) For instance you cannot show me any scripture that deals with another faith and yet you condemn Islam out of ignorance and devoid of any scriptural reason and not just Islam any other religion or idea system and the Bible is completely silent on these things you judge.
Bod, Mohammed taught against the truth that Jesus is the son of God. The bible warns that many prophets will deceive many and many shall even say that Jesus is the Christ and still deceive many.I simply know that anyone who follows Mohammed's teachings is going against some important truths as to who Jesus is and what he accomplished for mankind. The name of our lord is the one name under Heaven and Earth by which we can be saved.
I don't write of Islam as such. I am sure that there are many people in Islam that love God.
Yes we are all ignorant even deceived to a point on some things. But the greatest thing we can have is love and love for God. Love for mankind comes next.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 02 2012,07:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2012,06:07) For instance you cannot show me any scripture that deals with another faith and yet you condemn Islam out of ignorance and devoid of any scriptural reason and not just Islam any other religion or idea system and the Bible is completely silent on these things you judge.
Bod, Mohammed taught against the truth that Jesus is the son of God. The bible warns that many prophets will deceive many and many shall even say that Jesus is the Christ and still deceive many.I simply know that anyone who follows Mohammed's teachings is going against some important truths as to who Jesus is and what he accomplished for mankind. The name of our lord is the one name under Heaven and Earth by which we can be saved.
I don't write of Islam as such. I am sure that there are many people in Islam that love God.
Yes we are all ignorant even deceived to a point on some things. But the greatest thing we can have is love and love for God. Love for mankind comes next.
T8Why did you write “many shall even say that Jesus is the Christ and still deceive many.” That is not scriptural prophecy so why did you write that misleading piece of information the actual verse says:
Matthew 24
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Plus you didn't say the correct truth:
1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST
and remember this God is not “one name under Heaven” because the Throne of God is above the heavens so yes Jesus is a name under heaven whereby a man can be saved but His God is GREATER and HIS ability to save is likewise GREATER.
The best thing you wrote is:
“the greatest thing we can have is love and love for God. Love for mankind comes next.”
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2012,06:07) You have decided yourself what is right and what is wrong beyond what the scriptures say.
Hi BD,You describe yourself quite well here.
To bad you can't see that see that
the Scriptures are YHVH's truth.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,11:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2012,06:07) You have decided yourself what is right and what is wrong beyond what the scriptures say.
Hi BD,You describe yourself quite well here.
To bad you can't see that see that
the Scriptures are YHVH's truth.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
YHVH how do you pronounce that?Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,21:10) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,11:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2012,06:07) You have decided yourself what is right and what is wrong beyond what the scriptures say.
Hi BD,You describe yourself quite well here.
To bad you can't see that see that
the Scriptures are YHVH's truth.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
YHVH how do you pronounce that?
bodit would not be Allah,not be Muhammad, right ??
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,14:10) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,11:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2012,06:07) You have decided yourself what is right and what is wrong beyond what the scriptures say.
Hi BD,You describe yourself quite well here.
To bad you can't see that see that
the Scriptures are YHVH's truth.God bless
Ed J
YHVH how do you pronounce that?
Hi BD,Keep asking questions, that's how you learn.
God's name, (יהוה) YHVH, is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā.Psalms 45:17 I will make thy name (YHVH) to be remembered
in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2012,14:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2012,14:10) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2012,11:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2012,06:07) You have decided yourself what is right and what is wrong beyond what the scriptures say.
Hi BD,You describe yourself quite well here.
To bad you can't see that see that
the Scriptures are YHVH's truth.God bless
Ed J
YHVH how do you pronounce that?
Hi BD,Keep asking questions, that's how you learn.
God's name, (יהוה) YHVH, is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā.Psalms 45:17 I will make thy name (YHVH) to be remembered
in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So why do you keep mentioning Jehovah instead of only saying YÄ-hä-vā?Shalom BD,
English-speaking students of God's word pronounce God's name יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) as JEHOVAH (JÄ-hō-vä).
Likewise, we pronounce the name יהשוע (YÄ-shü-ă), in English, as Jesus (Jē-zəs).
And Arabs pronounce יהשוע (YÄ-shü-ă) as “Isa (Ēsä).
Do you understand now?Now are you going to tell our Arab brothers the name of Ĕlähä(God in Syriac)? <– Please answer this question!
B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 12 2012,05:15) Shalom BD, English-speaking students of God's word pronounce God's name יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā) as JEHOVAH (JÄ-hō-vä).
Likewise, we pronounce the name יהשוע (YÄ-shü-ă), in English, as Jesus (Jē-zəs).
And Arabs pronounce יהשוע (YÄ-shü-ă) as “Isa (Ēsä).
Do you understand now?Now are you going to tell our Arab brothers the name of Ĕlähä(God in Syriac)? <– Please answer this question!
B'shem
YHVH
Actually you are incorrect the word “Jehovah” was composed by men and has nothing to do with a translationJehovah 1530, Tyndale's erroneous transliteration of Hebrew Tetragramaton YHWH using vowel points of Adhonai “my lord” (see Yahweh). Used for YHWH (the full name being too sacred for utterance) in four places in the Old Testament in the KJV where the usual translation lord would have been inconvenient; taken as the principal and personal name of God. The vowel substitution was originally made by the Masoretes as a direction to substitute Adhonai for “the ineffable name.” European students of Hebrew took this literally, which yielded L. JeHoVa (first attested in writings of Galatinus, confessor to Leo X, 1516). Jehovah's Witnesses “member of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society” first attested 1933; the organization founded c.1879 by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916); the name from Isa. xliii:10.
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=Jehovah
Why not use Yahweh or many of the other various guesses
Perhaps you shouldn't guess at all perhaps you should just say “God Almighty”
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