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Hi,
Is it not bizarre that the same ones who teach there is one God of three persons
also teach that each person is a deity[god] and yet accuse others of polytheism?I've only had that thought about 500 times. I worship one God, Jehovah.
Jesus directed worship to Jehovah, “HIS GOD.”This is who I worship, the one whom Jesus directed us to worship, his Father and “his God.”
Yet, they worship many Gods, three to be exact. Yet, if anyone noticed this, it would clearly be polytheism. Let's just make up some ridiculously bizarre mysterious illogical unfathomable, incomprehensible mystery…wait, I used that word alread….to explain this away, so that we aren't actually worshiping three Gods. Lets say that three is one.
Worshipping Jesus
Quote Zech 14:9
And the LORD (YHWH) shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be *one LORD*, and *his name one*.You have already mentioned the “One Name”, now the above scripture says that there shall be One Lord and One name and YHWH shall be King over all the earth!
Who is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords?
He is Yeshua the Word/God, YHWH in the flesh.
Deut 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:How many Lords and Gods do you have NH?
If Jesus is your Lord and master then he must be your Lord and God, or you break the first commandment.
You can not serve two masters for you will either hate the one or Love the Other!
There is only One Lord and One God!
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him (Jesus) , My Lord and my God.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Again with the Thomas worship.
No one else referred to Jesus as both Lord and GOD (Almighty) as you are supposing that Thomas did – NO ONE! In all of the Bible – don't you find that curious?
Are you willing to bet your salvation on one doubter?
A triune God is NOT the One true God that Jesus directs us to in John 17:3.
Who do you say that I am? “Oh, Jesus, you are Almighty God, the second person in that same Almighty God!”
Wrong answer.
Jesus is not Almighty deity – he is the Son of the living Almighty God!
Hi Not3,
Thomas was correct.
Jesus had told Thomas in Jn 14 that when they saw him, they saw the Father
-because God was in him reconciling the world to Himself.[1Cor 5]Nick – agreed.
However, the way the Trinitarians view this Thomas passage is quite different. They believe that Thomas believed that Jesus was God (incarnate).
Hi Not3,
No.
They believe the trinity proposition is true and search for some weak validations in what is written.Nick,
That is a poor inference. Either you're a modalist (which I know you hate) or a gnostic, which sounds more and more likely, since you keep referring to Jesus as a vessel for God. So you would have Thomas say to a vessel, “My Lord and My God.” Or, since I know you believe that only Jesus is Lord, are you telling me that a vessel is the Lord? And then in the same breath, Thomas stopped talking to the vessel and started talking to the one dwelling in the vessel, “My God”? And you accuse me of making wacky inferences?
No, John says that Thomas spoke to Jesus. He called Jesus, “My Lord and My God.” He didn't say, “My Lord the vessel, and My God dwelling in the vessel.” Jesus is His God. Your only alternative is to obliterate the distinction between the Father and the Son (which you seem to be doing in spite of your accusations that I am a modalist), or else reduce the Son to an empty vessel, which is no son at all.
And if the son is just a vessel, what difference does it make if a vessel is crucified? What does that accomplish?
Tim
Hi Tim2,
You really should not confuse the Son of God with his Dad. He was no puppet, not was he God cloaked in flesh but a living being who chose to submit to the will of God, as we should.
The vessel was a man just as you and I are, we are vessels that also should be filled with the Spirit of God as the one we follow was.Hi Tim2,
There is no forgiveness without blood and we were given the lamb of God who agreed to be as our sacrifice of atonement.Hi,
DEITYFrom Websters
deity
One entry found for deity.Main Entry: de·i·ty
Pronunciation: 'dE-&-tE, 'dA-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Etymology: Middle English deitee, from Anglo-French deité, from Late Latin deitat-, deitas, from Latin deus god; akin to Old English TIw, god of war, Latin divus god, dies day, Greek dios heavenly, Sanskrit deva heavenly, god
1 a : the rank or essential nature of a god : DIVINITY b capitalized : GOD 1, : SUPREME BEING
2 : a god or goddess
3 : one exalted or revered as supremely good or powerfulFrom wikipedia
A deity or god is a postulated preternatural or supernatural being, who is always of significant power, worshipped, thought holy, divine, or sacred, held in high regard, or respected by human beings.
[edit] Christian
The Trinity (The Triune God)
God the Father (God)
God the Son (Jesus)
God the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God or Holy Ghost)Hi,
So if deity means god
how can the traditional church claim to worship one god
when they clamour to worship three deities?Lets take a look at 1 John 4:2 and 4:6,
Here is how you recognize the Spirit of God: every spirit which acknowledges that Jesus Christ came as a human being is from God, 1John 4:2
We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God doesn't listen to us. This is how we distinguish the Spirit of truth from the spirit of error. 1John 4:6
Now, after reading these two verses, can somebody tell me how these People gets from…
“every spirit which acknowledges that Jesus Christ came as a human being is from God”
to:
every spirit which acknowledges that GOD TOOK ON HUMAN FORM is from God.”
???????I do believe there are many Antichrist among us.And they follow the Mystery of Babylon.How does these Brother play with my Bible? How does he just change the text, and still call it the Word of God? And if he does, what does that tell me about him?
I confess that Jesus came as a human being. I have no problem with that, because that is what the Bible teaches. And people, that is a very big deal! Jesus Christ came to earth as a human! That is the biggest event in the history of the universe, and it eclipses every birth of every other human being who ever was born since Adam!Quote (Unisage @ April 28 2007,08:21) Lets take a look at 1 John 4:2 and 4:6, Here is how you recognize the Spirit of God: every spirit which acknowledges that Jesus Christ came as a human being is from God, 1John 4:2
We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God doesn't listen to us. This is how we distinguish the Spirit of truth from the spirit of error. 1John 4:6
Now, after reading these two verses, can somebody tell me how these People gets from…
“every spirit which acknowledges that Jesus Christ came as a human being is from God”
to:
every spirit which acknowledges that GOD TOOK ON HUMAN FORM is from God.”
??I do believe there are many Antichrist among us.And they follow the Mystery of Babylon.How does these Brother play with my Bible? How does he just change the text, and still call it the Word of God? And if he does, what does that tell me about him?
I confess that Jesus came as a human being. I have no problem with that, because that is what the Bible teaches. And people, that is a very big deal! Jesus Christ came to earth as a human! That is the biggest event in the history of the universe, and it eclipses every birth of every other human being who ever was born since Adam!
UnisageWelcome!
Jn 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the *Word was God.*
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.10 He was in the world, and the *world was made by him*, and the world knew him not.
14 And the *Word was made flesh*, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Phil 2:
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Phl 2:7 but emptied Himself, *taking the form of a bond-servant, {and} being made in the likeness of men*.
Phl 2:8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.1 Tim 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: *God was manifest in the flesh*, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.You say…
Quote “every spirit which acknowledges that Jesus Christ came as a human being is from God”
The scripture says no such thing. If John was just meaning he was just a man, then what is the point of saying Jesus is Come in the flesh.John says…
1 Jn 1:
1 *That which was from the beginning*, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of *the Word of life*;
2 (For the life *was manifested*, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
John in the Gospel tells us who this Word was that was with him from the beginning, He calls him *The Eternal life**The Word was God* and took on the likeness of sinfull flesh.
Phil 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was *made in the likeness of men*:So…
1 Jn 4:
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: *Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ (The Word/God) is come in the flesh is of God*:
3 And *every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ (The Word/God) is come in the flesh is not of God*: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.Jesus is the Lord from heaven.
1 Cor 15:47
The first man is of the earth (just a man), earthy: the second man is the *Lord from heaven*(God in the flesh).He is the “Monogenes, Unique” Son of God. Which means he is both God and man.
God was manifest in the flesh reconciling the world unto himself.
WorshippingJesus
We have different views. We need to prove all things wouldnt you agree?
Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word*, and the Word* was with God, and the Word* was God.
*Logos
#3056 logos; [from #3004 legw, to say, speak, teach, command, direct, call, name]; logos; AV – word 218, saying 50, account 8, speech 8, Word (Messiah) 7, thing 5, not tr 2, misc 32, total 330; Definition: of speech, a word, uttered by a living voice, what someone has said, discourse, the act of speaking, speech, the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking, the thing spoken of or talked about.
In the Greek NT “logos” is found 330 times, only seven times is it translated “Word,” with a capital “w.” When the KJV translators put a capital “w” at the beginning of the word “word” did they automatically change its meaning? A capital letter added to a word does not automatically change its meaning.
What is more correct?
1] In the beginning was “the voice of God,” and “the voice of God” was with God, and “the voice of God” was God;
2] In the beginning was “the Son,” and “the Son” was with God, and “the Son” was God;
3] In the beginning was “Yeshua,” and “Yeshua” was with God, and “Yeshua” was God?
In order for numbers 2 or 3 to be correct we would have to say Yeshua, or the Son, was with himself or with another God, which would contradict both the Old Testament (OT) and the New Testament (NT), as well as disregard the true definition of the Greek word “logos.” Whereas in #1, God’s word or voice was with Him, this makes perfect sense. My word is with me, it is me and I am responsible for it. If I speak a word that is offensive, like threatening someone’s life, my word is not arrested, I am, although my word has to go to jail also because it is me. Did you ever hear these sayings: You’re only as good as your word; He’s a man of his word; Take him at his word? These and many other sayings point out that a man and his word are identical, indistinguishable and thus inseparable.
Yahweh said, “So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please” (Isa 55:11).
It has been stated for so long that John was telling us the word was the Son that we don’t even stop and look at the meaning of the “word.” Logos is not the second person of the Trinity like we have been told since the 4th century, it is Yahweh’s speech or commands, or His voice.
Ps 33:6 By the WORD of Yahweh were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Ps 148:5 Let them praise the name of Yahweh: for he commanded, and they were created.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the WORD of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
2Pe 3:5 By the WORD of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Yahweh spoke and creation appeared. Hebrew scholars tell us the literal translation of Gen 1:3 is: God said, “Light be, light was.”
Ge 1:3 And God said, 6 and God said, 9 and God said, 11 and God said, 14 and God said, 20 and God said, 24 and God said, 26 and God said.
God said universe be, universe was.
Ro 4:17 God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth *(2564) those things which be not as though they were.
*#2564 kaleo: to call aloud, utter in a loud voice.
Yahweh speaks, calls, or commands with His voice words that bring into being whatever His word so specifies, He said, “My word… shall accomplish that which I please” (Is 55:11). Things that do not yet exist but are predestined to be only await His word and then they are.
Look at how the early English translations dealt with this passage in John chapter one.
John Wycliffe’s New Testament (1380 C.E.), translated from the Latin Vulgate, not the Greek, in John 1:3-4 he uses the pronoun “him” for the “Word.”
William Tyndale (1526) based upon the Hebrew and Greek John 1:3-4 reads, “All things were made by it, and without it, was made nothing that was made. In it was life, and the life was the light of men.”
Miles Coverdale, (1535) again based on the Latin Vulgate in Jn. 1:1-3 the pronoun “him” is used.
Thomas Matthew (real name John Rogers, 1537) based on Tyndale and Coverdale, dubbed Matthew's Bible, uses “it” in John 1:3-4.
Great Bible (1539), this was a revised edition of Matthew's Bible prepared by Miles Coverdale, uses “it” instead of “him.” The Great Bible was the first English version to be authorized and was instructed to be placed in every church.
Geneva Bible (1560) John 1:3-4 reads “it” instead of “him.” For nearly a century it was the standard bible in most homes in England and the colonies and the first to have numbered verses.
Bishop's Bible (1568) translated for it’s name sake has John 1:3-4 using “it,” not “him.”
Rheims New Testament (1582) Roman Catholic scholars version again based on the Vulgate in John 1:3-4 it uses “him”.
All future versions used “him” instead of “it”, starting with the next translation in 1611, authorized by King James. Notice only three versions here, up until 1611, use the pronoun “him.” All three were not translated from the Hebrew and Greek but from the Roman Catholic Latin text the Vulgate. In 382, Saint Jerome, who was secretary to Pope Damasus I, was requested by the pope to translate the scriptures into Latin. The rest of the translators above, who did not use the Vulgate, although they believed in the Trinity, translated the Greek word “logos” from its definition, not based on their doctrines. To them Yahweh’s word was not His Son but by His spoken word the Messiah was made flesh when Yahweh gave the word.
How did this belief that God’s “word” was a separate individual creep into the Roman church and thus get passed on to us?
A Greek philosopher named Heraclitus (600 B.C.E.) used the term Logos to designate the divine reason or plan which controls the universe, Stoicism (Greek school of philosophy) conceived it as a rational divine power that orders and directs the universe, it is identified with God. Philo of Alexandria (around 20 B.C.E.-45 C.E.) employed it to blend Jewish tradition and Platonism, as a mediating principle between God and the world and can be understood as God's Word or the Divine Wisdom. Early Christian theologians developed the conception of Messiah as the Logos in explicitly Platonic terms. (Microsoft  Encarta)
God’s word was made whatever He commanded it to be. God’s word was made light, God’s word was made grass, God’s word was made sun and moon and finally God’s word was made flesh. Yeshua was not Yahweh or Yahweh’s word or with Yahweh when Yahweh created the universe, Yeshua was begotten through Mary by Yahweh’s word, as was everything else. Yes indeed, in Ps 2:7 Yahweh declared, spoke, or commanded the decree, statute, ordinance, or law for His Son to be “Made of a woman, made under the law” (Ga 4:4). Yahweh spoke the word and the Holy Spirit came upon Mary and the power of the Highest overshadowed her (Lu 1:35).
WorshippingJesus
Lets go further how about the Word and Voice.
I see “the word” as being the voice or commands of Yahweh because of these verses [Gen 1:3, 6, 9, 11, 14, 20, 24,26; Isa 55:5; Ps 33:6 & 9, 148:5; Ro 4:17; Heb 11:3] The Bible only teaches that “the word” means Yahweh’s voice and this verse also.
Ps 2:7 I will declare the decree: Yahweh hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Yahweh announces or issues an order or statute that Yeshua is to be His Son.
Jer 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.13 When he uttereth his voice, [there is] a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth.
The scriptures tell us “wisdom” created the world (Pr 3:19, Ps 104:24, 136:5). Is wisdom a person? But it also tells us “knowledge” made the world (Pr 3:20), it tells us “understanding” created the world (Pr 3:19, Jer 51:15), it tells us “power” made everything (Jer 32:17, 51:15), and of course “the word of Yahweh” created everything (Ps 33:6.)
All these things (notice I say things) were employed by Yahweh to create. I ask, is the word a person anymore then wisdom, knowledge, understanding or power?
The most difficult verse is John 1:14
KJV And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.
RSV And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
NIV The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
EGNT And the Word flesh became and tabernacled among us.As you can see the RSV, EGNT and NIV say, “became,” as if to say the word turned into or changed into flesh. But this exact same Greek word ginomai (1096) is used in verse 3. “All things were made (1096) by him; and without him was not any thing made (1096) that was made (1096).” If they want ginomai to mean created, or to bring into existence, they should be consistent. They can’t pretend ginomai means “created” in verse 3 and then decide it means “turned into” in verse 14.
The KJV has, “was made flesh,” but there is no Greek word for “was” it was added by the translators, so it could very well read, “The word made flesh.”
When John uses “flesh” he means human being, in this case Yeshua. Could we say then that the word turned into Yeshua anymore then in verse 3 we could say, “All things turned into by him and without him was not any thing turned into that was turned into. “Made” or “created” make sense here when ginomai is used, but not “turned into” or “became.”
Knowing no Greek word for “was” is in the original manuscripts we get: “The word made flesh” or “The word created flesh.”
I came across two other verses when studying about “the word.” In Jn 1:14 the Greek word ginomai (1096) is translated “was made” as it is in Ro 1:3, but it is simply translated “made” in Ga 4:4.Ro 1:3 Concerning his Son Yeshua Messiah our Lord, which was made (1096) of the seed of David according to the flesh.
Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made (1096) of a woman, made (1096) under the law.
I did a word search for “the word of Yahweh” and found some interesting verses in the OT.
Ex 8:31 Yahweh did according to the word of Moses; and he removed the swarms [of flies] from Pharaoh, from his servants, and from his people; there remained not one.
Here it is the word of Moses, which is easy to see means what Moses said, what came out of his mouth.
Ex 9:20 He that feared the word of Yahweh among the servants of Pharaoh made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses: 21 And he that regarded not the word of Yahweh left his servants and his cattle in the field.
The Egyptians would not have heard Yahweh’s words themselves but most likely by means of it being passed down to them by the Pharaoh’s officials. This would indicate the word of Yahweh was just that, His instructions.
Nu 3:16 Moses numbered them according to the word of Yahweh, as he was commanded.
The word “commanded,” following the phrase “the word of Yahweh,” gives further evidence the word of Yahweh is commandments or instructions.
1Sa 15:10 Then came the word of Yahweh unto Samuel, saying.
This is what you read dozens of times in the Bible, Then came the word of Yahweh unto so-and-so, saying. Saying, spoke, commanded, heard, breathed, and voice all show “the word” is what Yahweh says.
“The word of Yahweh” and “the voice of Yahweh” are one and the same thing. Here are a few of the many verses that have “the voice of Yahweh” instead of “the word of Yahweh.”
Ex 5:2 Pharaoh said, Who [is] Yahweh, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not Yahweh, neither will I let Israel go.
Ex 15:26 (Moses) said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of Yahweh thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee.
De 4:12 Yahweh spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only [ye heard] a voice.
De 9:23 Ye rebelled against the commandment of Yahweh your God, and ye believed him not, nor hearkened to his voice.
Ps 29:4 The voice of Yahweh [is] powerful; the voice of Yahweh [is] full of majesty.
Ps 29:9 The voice of Yahweh maketh the hinds to calve, and discovereth the forests.
Ps 103:20 Bless Yahweh, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Isa 30:31 For through the voice of Yahweh shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.Yahweh’s word was spoken by Him and of course heard by others.
2Ki 7:1 Then Elisha said, Hear ye the word of Yahweh; Thus saith Yahweh.
Jer 9:20 Yet hear the word of Yahweh, O ye women, and let your ear receive the word of his mouth.
Jer 10:1 Hear ye the word which Yahweh speaketh unto you, O house of Israel.Logos spoken and heard in the New Testament.
Heb 12:19 The sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words (rhema); which voice they (Israelites at Sinai) that heard intreated that the word (logos) should not be spoken to them any more: 20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded.
We don’t even stop and look at the meaning of the word “word.” just because we have been told all our lives that John was telling us the word was the Son. But that doesn’t made it right.
Ps 2:7 I will declare the decree: Yahweh hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
When Yahweh uttered those words with His voice The words were made flesh and dwelt among us.
Unisage
Yes Ive heard all these arguments before.
And they all stem from the unbelievers and followers of Arian.
I get my understanding of John 1:1 from the literal greek and not some creed.
If you reject the current translation of John 1:1 then you align your self against over 500 Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic scholars that brought to us the translations that we have.
All of the major and credible translations translate John 1:1 the same.
So do you have any Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic credentials?
If not then I think I will stick with scriptures as they are.
Scriptures tell us Jesus is named the Word of God.
Rev 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.Hebrews 1:3
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature,(substance) and *upholds all things by the word of His power*. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,John tells us that all things were made by him the Word, and without him was not anything made that was made.
Col 1:
16 *For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17* And he is before all things, and by him all things consist*.This same Jesus that John speaks of is the one by whom all things were created and by whom “all things consist”.
This same Jesus is the one that Thomas said to, “My Lord and God”, and which neither Jesus nor John corrected..
You say…
Quote
All future versions used “him” instead of “it”, starting with the next translation in 1611, authorized by King James. Notice only three versions here, up until 1611, use the pronoun “him.” All three were not translated from the Hebrew and Greek but from the Roman Catholic Latin text the Vulgate. In 382, Saint Jerome, who was secretary to Pope Damasus I, was requested by the pope to translate the scriptures into Latin. The rest of the translators above, who did not use the Vulgate, although they believed in the Trinity, translated the Greek word “logos” from its definition, not based on their doctrines. To them Yahweh’s word was not His Son but by His spoken word the Messiah was made flesh when Yahweh gave the word.So if John 1:3 is an it as you say then God created everything through an it which you say is just his word not yeshua.
However, its obvious that Paul disagrees with you as well as the writer of Hebrews.
Col 1:
16 *For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17* And he is before all things, and by him all things consist*.Hebrews 1:3
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature,(substance) and *upholds all things by the word of His power*. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,If the creation was simply made by a spoken word, then Yeshua is the one who spoke it for he upholds all things *by the word of his power* Notice it says his power.
Also by him all things consist and he is before all things.
How do you explain this?
WorshippingJesus
Well my bible tells me different from yours Mine said Through him and Not By him.So that means the translation is wrong.In which I went and showed you.You must like the KJV. Dont get hooked on it.You need to prove all things and I just showed you on the Word. and Word and Voice and read Rhema and Logos.
John 1-3
John 1
The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 ***He was in the beginning with God***. 3 All things were made ***through Him**, and without Him nothing was made that was made.My FATHER, WHO have given them to ME, is greater than all. And no one is able to snatch them out of My FATHER'S Hand.” (John 10:29).
for My FATHER is greater than I.” (John 14:28).
This is confirmed by the apostle Paul for he wrote
that: “For He [Jesus] has to reign until He [Jesus] has put all
enemies under His [Jesus's] feet. The last enemy to be brought to nought is death. For HE [God the Father] says `all are put under Him [Jesus]' it is clear that HE [God the Father] WHO put all under Him [Jesus] is excepted. And when all are made subject to Him [Jesus] then the Son Himself shall also be subject to Him [God the Father] WHO put all under Him [Jesus] in order that God be all in all.”(1 Cor. 15:25-28). And: “And I wish you to know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God [The Father]. “(1 Cor. 11:3).
Also even though Jesus is “Elohim” to us the Scriptures
reveal that God the FATHER is God to Jesus! I quote:Jesus said to her, ` Do not hold on to Me, for I have not yet
ascended to My FATHER. But go to My brothers and say to them, `I am ascending to My FATHER and your FATHER, and to My GOD and your GOD (John 20:17)“Blessed be the GOD and FATHER of our Master Jesus Christ…”
(Eph. 1:3).“That the God of our Master Jesus Christ, the FATHER of
esteem” (Eph. 1:17).One God and FATHER of all, WHO is above all, and through all,
and in you all.” (Eph. 4:6).\What have we learned of the True Scriptural
Relationship that exists between the FATHER and Son of the GOD
Family? We have learned that:God possessed Jesus the beginning of His way (Prov. 8:22).
Jesus was the first of GOD'S works of old. (Prov. 8:22).
Jesus was set up ages ago at the first. (Prov. 2:22).
Jesus was brought forth an “Elohim” Being before:
a). the Earth was (Prov. 8:23)
b). the depths existed (Prov. 8:24)
c). the springs were heavy with water (Prov. 8:24)
d). the mountains were sunk (Prov. 8:25)
e). the hills were made (Prov. 8:25)
f). the earth and fields were made (Prov. 8:26)
g). the first dust of the earth appeared (Prov. 8:26)
h). the heavens were prepared (Prov. 8:27)
i). the decree of a vault on the face of the deep. (Prov. 8:27)
j). the clouds above were set (Prov. 8:28)
k). the fountains of the deep made strong (Prov. 8:28)
l). the sea given to its limit (Prov. 8:29)
m). the foundations of the earth decreed (Prov. 8:29)
5. Jesus was the master workman at GOD'S side (Prov. 8:30)
6. Jesus was GOD'S delight day by day in eternity. (Prov. 8:30)
7. Jesus rejoiced before GOD the FATHER always. (Prov. 8:30)
8. JESUS rejoiced in the world's creation. (Prov. 8:31)
9. Jesus's delights are with the sons of men. (Prov. 8:32)
10.Jesus's ways are to be guarded. (Prov. 8:32)
11. Those who listen to Jesus are blessed (Prov. 8:34; Matt. 7:24-
29; 17:5)
12. Those who find Jesus find life – eternal life. (Prov. 8:35;
John 14:6)
13. Those who find Jesus find favour – grace from GOD. (Prov.
8:35; Eph. 2:14)
14. Sinning against Jesus injures yourself. (Prov. 8:36)
15. All who hate Jesus love death – second death. (Prov. 8:36)
16. Humans are first brought forth (born) flesh and blood. (1 Cor.
15:45-50)
17. At the resurrection humans will be brought forth (born) spirit
“Elohim” Beings (John 1:1-3; 2 Cor. 5:1-6; 1 Cor. 15:35-55) into the
God Family.
18. Jesus was first brought forth an “Elohim” Being (Prov. 8:22-25;
John 1:1-3; Philip. 2:5-11; Heb. 1:5-6; Col. 1:15)
19. As of this time there are only two Beings in the God Family
but there are many more to be born into it (Prov. 30:4; John; 1:1-3;
Rom. 8:29)
20. Jesus's is the Word who became flesh (John 1:1-3, 10, 14;
Philip. 2:5-11) to become our Saviour. 21. Jesus is an “Elohim”
Being.
22. Jesus was GOD'S firstborn Son before he ever became a man
(Heb. 1:5-6).
23. Jesus as the Word created all things (John 1:1-3, 10; Col.
1:16).
24. Jesus was the wisdom that created the heavens and the earth.
(Ps. 136:5; Jer. 10:12; 51:15).
25. Jesus is a spokesman for the FATHER.. John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
26. Jesus lives because of the FATHER GOD (John 6:57)
27. GOD is greater than all even Jesus. (John 10:29; 14:28)
28. God the FATHER is Jesus's head. (1 Cor. 11:3)
29. God the FATHER is Jesus's God. (John 20:17; Eph. 1:3,
17; Eph. 4:6).RHEMA AND LOGOS MADE ALL THINGS
In the NT “word” is translated from two Greek words. Logos we are familiar with, the second Greek word is rhema.
#4487 rhema [from #4483 rheo, speak, say, utter] AV-word 56, saying 9, thing 3, no thing + 3756 1, not tr 1, total 70. Definition: that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word, any sound produced by the voice and having definite meaning, speech, discourse, an utterance.
Logos can mean anything from an utterance to a thought but rhema is primary the noise you make with your voice. Unlike logos, rhema has never been personified, either as the Son or any other member of the Godhead.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed (created RSV) by the word (rhema) of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
In John 1:3 it says logos made all things but here in Heb 11:3 we are told rhema did. The simple explanation is that Yahweh spoke words out loud and creation unfolded. Yahweh commanded all things to be and all things were.
WorshippingJesus You said
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Yes Ive heard all these arguments before.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxYes I also learn that the Greek also had a ManGod.I heard that before to In Greek Mythology.Matter afact it was taught way before Christ even came in the Picture.You must be a Trinity person.Am I correct?
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